[Woj] Horford, Ferg, 1st, 2nd for Danny Green

[Jordan Syndrome]

This doesn't really make Philly better or not much. I'm underwhelmed for them. It's perfectly fine value wise but doesn't feel like it really addresses the root of their issues. More to come I guess?

That was what my take was in the redundant thread:
OKC got the high variance and "lightly protected distant 1st", while Philly got less long term money but not any better. Bitter pill to swallow on its own.

This is exactly why trades shouldn't necessarily be seen in a vacuum. The best way to describe this trade is "Wow, they better do more over the coming week".

If this is all the 76ers do then it is a disappointment.

[GutUNC]

Home run trade for the Sixers, get two decent role players in Ferguson and Green and off Horford. It's a shame to get rid of a first and high second, especially when you're ultra capped out, but at least it's not 5 picks, some teams would pay a first just to get Green and Ferguson.

If that was true then Presti would have made that trade. I got Ferguson as a negative contract that no team would give even cap space for. Green too was not fetching a 1st without long term bad money coming to OKC which is what just happened.

Ferguson is a 40% 3PT shooter on a rookie contract for another year or two. How is that a negative contract? He's not a world beater or anything but...

[psman2]

This doesn't really make Philly better or not much. I'm underwhelmed for them. It's perfectly fine value wise but doesn't feel like it really addresses the root of their issues. More to come I guess?

That was what my take was in the redundant thread:
OKC got the high variance and "lightly protected distant 1st", while Philly got less long term money but not any better. Bitter pill to swallow on its own.

I agree Philly is not better on the court after this. But this bit of balance sheet rectifying was likely a necessary evil to be flexible enough for other future moves to happen that could help on the court. Full MLE? Using TPE(s)?

[Dadouv47]

I thought it was a bad trade but since horford last season salary is ''only'' 14 millions, there's a good shot we trade him to a contender.

We won't sign any free agent anyway so that's fine.

[loserX]

Salary impact:

Philly saves/OKC takes on:
20/21: $12,134,146
21/22: $27,000,000
22/23: $26,500,000 or can cut him for $14,500,000 dead money

That is a LOT. Horford is still productive but I have this as a clear win for Philly.

I mean it's a win if your goal is for our owner to turn a profit but I can't really say it's a win when if we're minimally better if at all and still have zero cap space for the next millennium.

Aside from Harris' savings, I think you traded something you didn't need for something you did and got a $10M TPE out of it too. I'm not sure what else Philly could have expected with how Horford's value got sandbagged this past year.

(On the other hand, I can continue to eat crow for saying how amazing the Horford deal was when they signed it. Didn't turn out that way.)

[R-DAWG]

This doesn't really make Philly better or not much. I'm underwhelmed for them. It's perfectly fine value wise but doesn't feel like it really addresses the root of their issues. More to come I guess?

It's a small step that helps in terms of:
A) creating floor space
B) adding a smaller, more movable contract for a potential deadline follow up deal
C) moving off a bad contract
D) potentially creating a $10MM TPE (the difference between Green and Horford) or expanding the deal to take back $15MM in contracts

Sure, giving up a future 1st sucks, but I think this trade makes them better right away and creates more future flexibility.

[Texas Chuck]

There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

[HornetJail]

This really is a win win. I've been saying for a long time that the asking price for a Horford dump for a useful expiring should be a pair of 1sts (I assumed #21 and a 1st in the near future). Instead OKC gets a distant future 1st (which I think is going to be better than a near future 1st) and #34. Philly gets a much better fit for their team (which cannot be overstated). Now they need big man depth that isn't worth $80M for the next three years.

[BullyKing]

Salary impact:

Philly saves/OKC takes on:
20/21: $12,134,146
21/22: $27,000,000
22/23: $26,500,000 or can cut him for $14,500,000 dead money

That is a LOT. Horford is still productive but I have this as a clear win for Philly.

I mean it's a win if your goal is for our owner to turn a profit but I can't really say it's a win when if we're minimally better if at all and still have zero cap space for the next millennium.

Aside from Harris' savings, I think you traded something you didn't need for something you did and got a $10M TPE out of it too. I'm not sure what else Philly could have expected with how Horford's value got sandbagged this past year.

(On the other hand, I can continue to eat crow for saying how amazing the Horford deal was when they signed it. Didn't turn out that way.)

I think its fair to both understand this was a necessary evil but also not be jumping for joy that you had Butler, Embiid, Simmons and Harris and decided to let Butler walk to spend the money on a guy you just traded a lightly protected first to dump. It's hard to separate the trade itself from the year plus disaster that led to it.

[psman2]

Home run trade for the Sixers, get two decent role players in Ferguson and Green and off Horford. It's a shame to get rid of a first and high second, especially when you're ultra capped out, but at least it's not 5 picks, some teams would pay a first just to get Green and Ferguson.

If that was true then Presti would have made that trade. I got Ferguson as a negative contract that no team would give even cap space for. Green too was not fetching a 1st without long term bad money coming to OKC which is what just happened.

Ferguson is a 40% 3PT shooter on a rookie contract for another year or two. How is that a negative contract? He's not a world beater or anything but...

His a career .337% 3pt shooter, never even approached 40%. He is a below replacement level player that likely bounces around on a few league minimum deals and then is forgotten.

[loserX]

There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

Spending $27M a year for 3 years on a backup to your best player (or 2nd best if you prefer Simmons) when you have other needs is rarely a great idea. Those centre minutes can go to someone much cheaper.

[Texas Chuck]

There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

Spending $27M a year for 3 years on a backup to your best player when you have other needs is rarely a great idea. Those centre minutes can go to someone much cheaper.

Yes. But this goes back to HW,BK, and my original take -- the value here is fine, the reallocation of resources is fine. But the team isn't better today than yesterday. And do they take the money savings and reinvest it? Okay then. But right now I'm pretty underwhelmed.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Home run trade for the Sixers, get two decent role players in Ferguson and Green and off Horford. It's a shame to get rid of a first and high second, especially when you're ultra capped out, but at least it's not 5 picks, some teams would pay a first just to get Green and Ferguson.

If that was true then Presti would have made that trade. I got Ferguson as a negative contract that no team would give even cap space for. Green too was not fetching a 1st without long term bad money coming to OKC which is what just happened.

Ferguson is a 40% 3PT shooter on a rookie contract for another year or two. How is that a negative contract? He's not a world beater or anything but...

He shoots 40 from the floor. 29% from 3 last year, 34 ish on the career. He’s an insane leaper, some decent skills. Was working hard on the corner 3. But very much a project still.

[HartfordWhalers]

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damn.

[HartfordWhalers]

BTW, I fully change my take if this can be expanded to include a Noel S&T.

[SNPA]

No more Horford for Buddy deals. Rejoice.


This is a good trade for the Sixers.

[Texas Chuck]

BTW, I fully change my take if this can be expanded to include a Noel S&T.

how much room after the original deal is there under the apron?

[BullyKing]

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damn.

Already printing my Process Part Duex-Process Harder: Coming 2024 tshirts.

But the protections are actually slightly better than I expected after seeing "lightly protected" as the first description. Hate giving up a pick that far out.

[loserX]

There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

Spending $27M a year for 3 years on a backup to your best player when you have other needs is rarely a great idea. Those centre minutes can go to someone much cheaper.

Yes. But this goes back to HW,BK, and my original take -- the value here is fine, the reallocation of resources is fine. But the team isn't better today than yesterday. And do they take the money savings and reinvest it? Okay then. But right now I'm pretty underwhelmed.

I think the value is already better than fine, but it's well known that I think better of Green than almost anyone outside his immediate family.

If Philly feels that they should have given up more to get more talent instead, that's reasonable.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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damn.

That’s Morey’s sweet spot on the protections. Houston is top 4 for the picks we have. At least it’s not unp? But tying up 3 years isn’t ideal for flexibility.