Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers

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Which signing is better?

Lakers sign Harrell
16
26%
Clippers sign Ibaka
46
74%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#61 » by PistolPeteJR » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:55 am

zimpy27 wrote:Every impact stat favours Harrell
Box stats favour Harrell
Harrell won 6MOY

Are people underrating Harrell or overrating Ibaka?

Ibaka is not a good defender, he will be like Harrell on the Clips and fans will be begging for Zubac to start. Book it.


To answer your question, none.
People are just continuing the “bash LAL/LeBron” trend.
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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#62 » by ayyayyron » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:56 am

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
ayyayyron wrote:I think Trezz is a better signing for LAL than Ibaka would be, but I think Ibaka is a better signing for LAC than Trezz would be.

The Lakers get their third consistent scoring option on top of what is already a good defensive team. Montrezl and Anthony Davis is a great frontcourt pairing and what Harrell brings on the offensive side is great for a team that previously only had two consistent offensive players. The defense Harrell lacks won't matter when Anthony Davis is on the floor with him - Davis can take the difficult defensive tasks (Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, etc.) and relax a little on offense and get a 25 point performance from Trezz. I think the fit is better than statistics can say.

Meanwhile, Ibaka for the Clippers is amazing. Ibaka is as good for the Clippers' locker room as Montrezl was bad for it. Ibaka is a defensive upgrade who won't get bullied by Jokic (or at least not as bad as Trezz did) and he brings good 3 point shooting as well. I'm not sure which of Zubac and Ibaka will start, though either way there won't be a defensive liability at center at any point of the game. If the two LA teams match up in the playoffs, Ibaka is a much better player for the Clippers than Montrezl would be, as he's far less likely to get steamrolled by Anthony Davis. This means that one of Kawhi and PG will guard LeBron and the other takes an easier defensive task to conserve energy for the offensive possessions. With Montrezl, that postseason matchup would have Kawhi on AD, PG on LeBron, and a less effective offense from the Clippers.


I feel like you have the roles a little mixed up between AD and trez. IMHO AD is not on the court to make up for trez or to take on the bigger match ups like Jokic or Embiid. AD is the extremely talented all-star that the lakers rely on heavily to produce on offense. of course AD is a very capable defender and will help the team in general on defense. but I would have trez coming into the game giving energy and a pesky physical defender against the jokic's and embiid's, allowing AD not to get beat up saving energy for the offensive demands. I see the lakers hoping they can get more out of trez defensively and not worry about him producing as much offensively. if he can give the lakers like ... 13 and about 10 I imagine that would be more ideal than 18 and 7. That would be more my thinking as Pelinka/Fogel when signing Trez and the role I would envision for him. not to mention that AD has very clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the go to center. teams tend to listen to their cornerstone franchise players.


The Lakers now have Marc Gasol so that anyway defeats all of what I said
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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#63 » by Yenrallik1111 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:03 am

ayyayyron wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
ayyayyron wrote:I think Trezz is a better signing for LAL than Ibaka would be, but I think Ibaka is a better signing for LAC than Trezz would be.

The Lakers get their third consistent scoring option on top of what is already a good defensive team. Montrezl and Anthony Davis is a great frontcourt pairing and what Harrell brings on the offensive side is great for a team that previously only had two consistent offensive players. The defense Harrell lacks won't matter when Anthony Davis is on the floor with him - Davis can take the difficult defensive tasks (Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, etc.) and relax a little on offense and get a 25 point performance from Trezz. I think the fit is better than statistics can say.

Meanwhile, Ibaka for the Clippers is amazing. Ibaka is as good for the Clippers' locker room as Montrezl was bad for it. Ibaka is a defensive upgrade who won't get bullied by Jokic (or at least not as bad as Trezz did) and he brings good 3 point shooting as well. I'm not sure which of Zubac and Ibaka will start, though either way there won't be a defensive liability at center at any point of the game. If the two LA teams match up in the playoffs, Ibaka is a much better player for the Clippers than Montrezl would be, as he's far less likely to get steamrolled by Anthony Davis. This means that one of Kawhi and PG will guard LeBron and the other takes an easier defensive task to conserve energy for the offensive possessions. With Montrezl, that postseason matchup would have Kawhi on AD, PG on LeBron, and a less effective offense from the Clippers.


I feel like you have the roles a little mixed up between AD and trez. IMHO AD is not on the court to make up for trez or to take on the bigger match ups like Jokic or Embiid. AD is the extremely talented all-star that the lakers rely on heavily to produce on offense. of course AD is a very capable defender and will help the team in general on defense. but I would have trez coming into the game giving energy and a pesky physical defender against the jokic's and embiid's, allowing AD not to get beat up saving energy for the offensive demands. I see the lakers hoping they can get more out of trez defensively and not worry about him producing as much offensively. if he can give the lakers like ... 13 and about 10 I imagine that would be more ideal than 18 and 7. That would be more my thinking as Pelinka/Fogel when signing Trez and the role I would envision for him. not to mention that AD has very clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the go to center. teams tend to listen to their cornerstone franchise players.


The Lakers now have Marc Gasol so that anyway defeats all of what I said


As a raptors fan who was quite disappointed to loose serge, being left with a weak field of centers in free agency, Marc coming back was a last hope for a half decent center rotation. this signing is salt in the wound. so ... to quote myself when I commented on the serge signing ... again ... "damn it"
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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#64 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:04 am

The Lakers needed the younger high energy guy for load management reasons. I disagree with those who think Ibaka is a big needle mover in the postseason.

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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#65 » by DeathLineup » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:32 pm

****. I was expecting a fun tight poll.

Clippers' bubble botch job really impacted people's opinion of Harrell.
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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#66 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:41 pm

DeathLineup wrote:****. I was expecting a fun tight poll.

Clippers' bubble botch job really impacted people's opinion of Harrell.

Think it's harder project Harrell into his new role. And Serge living off a bit of reputation.

Was surprised to learn that Harrell was second in charge. Defense can't be that bad at least rotating wise.
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Re: Montrezl Harrell vs Serge Ibaka + Lakers vs Clippers 

Post#67 » by Yenrallik1111 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:27 pm

I understand Harell was 6th man of the year and likely played important minutes for the clippers. I am curious though how many of those minutes were against second units. Are there any clipper fans that can provide insight on that? Before the gasol signing I would think he was starting but now I am not sure. Makes sense to start Gasol while he is warm from the pre game shoot around and then bring Harell off the bench after 5 or so minutes

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