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zimpy27 wrote:Every impact stat favours Harrell
Box stats favour Harrell
Harrell won 6MOY
Are people underrating Harrell or overrating Ibaka?
Ibaka is not a good defender, he will be like Harrell on the Clips and fans will be begging for Zubac to start. Book it.
Yenrallik1111 wrote:ayyayyron wrote:I think Trezz is a better signing for LAL than Ibaka would be, but I think Ibaka is a better signing for LAC than Trezz would be.
The Lakers get their third consistent scoring option on top of what is already a good defensive team. Montrezl and Anthony Davis is a great frontcourt pairing and what Harrell brings on the offensive side is great for a team that previously only had two consistent offensive players. The defense Harrell lacks won't matter when Anthony Davis is on the floor with him - Davis can take the difficult defensive tasks (Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, etc.) and relax a little on offense and get a 25 point performance from Trezz. I think the fit is better than statistics can say.
Meanwhile, Ibaka for the Clippers is amazing. Ibaka is as good for the Clippers' locker room as Montrezl was bad for it. Ibaka is a defensive upgrade who won't get bullied by Jokic (or at least not as bad as Trezz did) and he brings good 3 point shooting as well. I'm not sure which of Zubac and Ibaka will start, though either way there won't be a defensive liability at center at any point of the game. If the two LA teams match up in the playoffs, Ibaka is a much better player for the Clippers than Montrezl would be, as he's far less likely to get steamrolled by Anthony Davis. This means that one of Kawhi and PG will guard LeBron and the other takes an easier defensive task to conserve energy for the offensive possessions. With Montrezl, that postseason matchup would have Kawhi on AD, PG on LeBron, and a less effective offense from the Clippers.
I feel like you have the roles a little mixed up between AD and trez. IMHO AD is not on the court to make up for trez or to take on the bigger match ups like Jokic or Embiid. AD is the extremely talented all-star that the lakers rely on heavily to produce on offense. of course AD is a very capable defender and will help the team in general on defense. but I would have trez coming into the game giving energy and a pesky physical defender against the jokic's and embiid's, allowing AD not to get beat up saving energy for the offensive demands. I see the lakers hoping they can get more out of trez defensively and not worry about him producing as much offensively. if he can give the lakers like ... 13 and about 10 I imagine that would be more ideal than 18 and 7. That would be more my thinking as Pelinka/Fogel when signing Trez and the role I would envision for him. not to mention that AD has very clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the go to center. teams tend to listen to their cornerstone franchise players.
ayyayyron wrote:Yenrallik1111 wrote:ayyayyron wrote:I think Trezz is a better signing for LAL than Ibaka would be, but I think Ibaka is a better signing for LAC than Trezz would be.
The Lakers get their third consistent scoring option on top of what is already a good defensive team. Montrezl and Anthony Davis is a great frontcourt pairing and what Harrell brings on the offensive side is great for a team that previously only had two consistent offensive players. The defense Harrell lacks won't matter when Anthony Davis is on the floor with him - Davis can take the difficult defensive tasks (Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, etc.) and relax a little on offense and get a 25 point performance from Trezz. I think the fit is better than statistics can say.
Meanwhile, Ibaka for the Clippers is amazing. Ibaka is as good for the Clippers' locker room as Montrezl was bad for it. Ibaka is a defensive upgrade who won't get bullied by Jokic (or at least not as bad as Trezz did) and he brings good 3 point shooting as well. I'm not sure which of Zubac and Ibaka will start, though either way there won't be a defensive liability at center at any point of the game. If the two LA teams match up in the playoffs, Ibaka is a much better player for the Clippers than Montrezl would be, as he's far less likely to get steamrolled by Anthony Davis. This means that one of Kawhi and PG will guard LeBron and the other takes an easier defensive task to conserve energy for the offensive possessions. With Montrezl, that postseason matchup would have Kawhi on AD, PG on LeBron, and a less effective offense from the Clippers.
I feel like you have the roles a little mixed up between AD and trez. IMHO AD is not on the court to make up for trez or to take on the bigger match ups like Jokic or Embiid. AD is the extremely talented all-star that the lakers rely on heavily to produce on offense. of course AD is a very capable defender and will help the team in general on defense. but I would have trez coming into the game giving energy and a pesky physical defender against the jokic's and embiid's, allowing AD not to get beat up saving energy for the offensive demands. I see the lakers hoping they can get more out of trez defensively and not worry about him producing as much offensively. if he can give the lakers like ... 13 and about 10 I imagine that would be more ideal than 18 and 7. That would be more my thinking as Pelinka/Fogel when signing Trez and the role I would envision for him. not to mention that AD has very clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the go to center. teams tend to listen to their cornerstone franchise players.
The Lakers now have Marc Gasol so that anyway defeats all of what I said
DeathLineup wrote:****. I was expecting a fun tight poll.
Clippers' bubble botch job really impacted people's opinion of Harrell.
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