Woj: Powell for Trent, Hood

[loserX]

Portland sees both guys as similar contract situations; even with Trent's RFA status, a big offer would have meant no match and they would have lost him, just like they might with Powell.

Powell is an improvement for Portland...but is that really the position they needed to improve? Would help if they made another move, say swapping out guys like Little and/or Simons for help up front.

[TD2FutureStar]

Something not being talked about now but will be in about an hour when Kyle Kowry is still a Raptor....is the fact that the Raptors didn't have e the Cap room to re-sign both Powell and Lowry. Keeping then both meant at least 1 of then were going to walk for nothing. With this deal for Trent and his tiny $2mill cap hild the Raptors now have the ability to re-sign Lowry to his 2/50 he requested.

So basically you get Lowry + Trent vs having just Lowry or Norm. You couldn't have both.

Big W for the Raptors.

[TD2FutureStar]

As I said yesterday;
I don't want to be the team that pays Powell 4/100 or whatever he ends up with but I am more than happy for another team to pay Norm who is a great guy.

The return is fine, more than anything it saved the Raptors from themselves.

Something not being talked about now but will be in about an hour when Kyle Kowry is still a Raptor....is the fact that the Raptors didn't have e the Cap room to re-sign both Powell and Lowry. Keeping then both meant at least 1 of then were going to walk for nothing. With this deal for Trent and his tiny $2mill cap hild the Raptors now have the ability to re-sign Lowry to his 2/50 he requested.

So basically you get Lowry + Trent vs having just Lowry or Norm. You couldn't have both.

Big W for the Raptors.

ya, that doesnt make sense. Trent will only get paid like 5 mill less than Powell. The cap hold is irrelevant as the Raps had both Lowry and Powell's bird rights. If the Raps couldnt afford Lowry and Powell then they cant afford Lowry and Trent Jr

Trent will likely get 15-17M while Powell is looking at $25+. The Pacers want to max the guy and Portland will want to retain him after giving up a high end prospect for him.

[mademan]

Something not being talked about now but will be in about an hour when Kyle Kowry is still a Raptor....is the fact that the Raptors didn't have e the Cap room to re-sign both Powell and Lowry. Keeping then both meant at least 1 of then were going to walk for nothing. With this deal for Trent and his tiny $2mill cap hild the Raptors now have the ability to re-sign Lowry to his 2/50 he requested.

So basically you get Lowry + Trent vs having just Lowry or Norm. You couldn't have both.

Big W for the Raptors.

ya, that doesnt make sense. Trent will only get paid like 5 mill less than Powell. The cap hold is irrelevant as the Raps had both Lowry and Powell's bird rights. If the Raps couldnt afford Lowry and Powell then they cant afford Lowry and Trent Jr

Trent will likely get 15-17M while Powell is looking at $25+. The Pacers want to max the guy and Portland will want to retain him after giving up a high end prospect for him.

eh, i disagree on your valuation of Powell and how much he's gonna get (Pacers have no cap space, lol). I vehemently disagree that this trade was made with keeping Lowry in mind (whether Lowry ends up staying or not)

[loserX]

Po(we)ll added.

[Roy The Natural]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

[JRoy]

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[Soulyss]

Portland sees both guys as similar contract situations; even with Trent's RFA status, a big offer would have meant no match and they would have lost him, just like they might with Powell.

Powell is an improvement for Portland...but is that really the position they needed to improve? Would help if they made another move, say swapping out guys like Little and/or Simons for help up front.

Exactly... This is an awful deal for Portland. We're less likely to retain Powell (who will decline is option) than Gary. Just an awful, short sighted deal by Olshey that screams of "my job is on the line" panic.

[Van_Trump]

2nd Time Toronto has traded for Gary Trent from Portland

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-14-sp-19093-story.html

[bondom34]

Guess it matters what Trent gets paid but like this for toronto more right now. Not entirely sure what Powell adds to the backcourt and he's a weird valuation to begin with.

That is the multimillion dollar question;
If Trent works in the system and you can keep him for reasonable coin, awesome.
If not, at least his cap hold is tiny.

If he's somewhere in the average starter salary range I like it a good bit I think. I'm not totally sold on him but he's got a shot and Toronto has strong defenders around him too (his numbers are a little weak there but idk if that's partially due to Portland's defense in general).

[cucad8]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

[Malapropism]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Because the most likely scenario is still a first round exit + Powell leaving this summer.

[Roy The Natural]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Powell will not be retained. Powell doesn't change the trajectory of the team. Trent has value. Portland should get long-term value for Trent unless it's a needle-moving short term move. This is the Aaron Afflalo trade all over again. It's a disastrous mismanagement of home-grown assets for Portland.

[Stillwater]

moving GTJ to get rid of the injury plagued and tbh less than motivated Hood seems ok I guess Powell is a win now player . But is Portland really good enough to justify it idk

[Roy The Natural]

moving GTJ to get rid of the injury plagued and tbh less than motivated Hood seems ok I guess Powell is a win now player . But is Portland really good enough to justify it idk

No they aren't good enough and Hood is expiring... so really shouldn't have to pay anything to offload him. He's primarily salary ballast at this point for a trade. The obvious and most likely scenario is a complete fire-sale this offseason for Portland after another first round exit. Assets have been disastrously mismanaged for some time now with this franchise and the subpar coaching and non-committal franchise direction doesn't help matters.

[cucad8]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Because the most likely scenario is still a first round exit + Powell leaving this summer.

Trent was likely leaving this summer as well. Matching an offer at 18-20 makes him immediately a terrible trade asset. And then our fans would be crying about that. So if you're unlikely to retain either, might as well swap out for the better player.

[Malapropism]

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Because the most likely scenario is still a first round exit + Powell leaving this summer.

Trent was likely leaving this summer as well. Matching an offer at 18-20 makes him immediately a terrible trade asset. And then our fans would be crying about that. So if you're unlikely to retain either, might as well swap out for the better player.

I dunno, I think the RFA rights are pretty important. Obviously, we won't know the true value of this trade until both Trent and Powell's contracts this summer are known.

[Roy The Natural]

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Because the most likely scenario is still a first round exit + Powell leaving this summer.

Trent was likely leaving this summer as well. Matching an offer at 18-20 makes him immediately a terrible trade asset. And then our fans would be crying about that. So if you're unlikely to retain either, might as well swap out for the better player.

You're looking at it the wrong way. I have no problems with Trent being traded... You don't however trade an asset for a rental unless that rental changes your trajectory.

The obvious end-game here is a fire sale in the off-season after another 1st round exit. Why?... Because Portland refuses to use assets to build a roster around Lillard that fits.

[R-DAWG]

i don't love this one for either side.

From TOR's perspective, if your going into the $20MM range for this level of player, i'd prefer to pay Powell. Or I'd prefer someone cost controlled and/or picks.

From POR's perspective, your going to have $80MM tied up in 3 guards below 6-3. I would have prefered to move trent for a wing with size. In the short term I guess if you weren't going to pay Trent, and couldn't justify trading him for a downgrade with Dame, then the short term upgrade to Powell makes some sense.

But I really don't like this for Toronto. The formula to winning isn't paying average to above average starters $20MM per year (and they will have 3 in that range with FVV and OG along with Trent) and if your going there, why not just keep Powell.

Do you think Trent gets that in free agency? I think part of the appeal is having a much lower cap hold that gives you the option to sign a free agent and then re-sign Trent. With Norm, it was one or the other.

trading for restricted free agents always worries me because all it takes is one team with its core on rookie scale deals to overpay to try to steal a player.

[Roy The Natural]

i don't love this one for either side.

From TOR's perspective, if your going into the $20MM range for this level of player, i'd prefer to pay Powell. Or I'd prefer someone cost controlled and/or picks.

From POR's perspective, your going to have $80MM tied up in 3 guards below 6-3. I would have prefered to move trent for a wing with size. In the short term I guess if you weren't going to pay Trent, and couldn't justify trading him for a downgrade with Dame, then the short term upgrade to Powell makes some sense.

But I really don't like this for Toronto. The formula to winning isn't paying average to above average starters $20MM per year (and they will have 3 in that range with FVV and OG along with Trent) and if your going there, why not just keep Powell.

Do you think Trent gets that in free agency? I think part of the appeal is having a much lower cap hold that gives you the option to sign a free agent and then re-sign Trent. With Norm, it was one or the other.

trading for restricted free agents always worries me because all it takes is one team with its core on rookie scale deals to overpay to try to steal a player.

Hey... At least you didn't trade for a guaranteed rental.