Eliminated: Philadelphia is out, knee-jerk trades & solutions (Credit to Foshan)

[Texas Chuck]

Man a lot of these offers for Simmons are worse than the offers for Gobert in the Utah thread. Kemba? Are you kidding?

Yeah its disgusting. And its especially irritating when its posters making those offers to bring him to their favorite team for the worst contracts on their roster and no value. Like its one thing to way overreact and say Ben Simmons is now massively negative value(he is not of course) but you lose all credibility to those claims when your goal is to get him to your team. So you realize he's an upgrade but you don't want to pay fair value even fictionally. I don't understand the point of this. At all.

I think Simmons is going to go for a lot less than what you are thinking. This happens pretty much every time with a big trade, people get chided for their trade suggestions, then the trade happens, then it is followed with the trade board veterans going "wow I can't believe he went for that". It's a predictable pattern. We have no idea what the actual value of players is in the NBA.

If Philly adds value to trade him for CJ or trades him for Buddy freaking Hield and no incentive I'll eat every piece of crow on the entire menu.

[Foshan]

I think the best possible use of Simmons is as a Center or on a team who has not just a floor spacing center, but the best shooting center in NBA History--Karl-Anthony Towns.

The issue with Minnesota is they don't have the proper assets to give to Philly. Malik Beasley is nice and has more size than Curry but he can't be the major piece coming back. Rubio could help as a significantly better shooter than Simmons but then the team loses some of its larger wing defense.

Anthony Edwards is a non-starter from the Wolves perspective--maybe Philly wants D'Angelo Russell and his talents?

I don't think Philly wants anything to do with Beasley. So he's not even a piece imo.

While i think Ben would be a fit with Towns, I think it would be to maximize Russell also, so it wouldnt make sense to move him in the deal, imo.

[K_chile22]

I'm not sure how much of it was on Philly's end, but in hindsight not doing the Simmons for Harden swap is going to haunt them.

That swap was never available simply because Frittata didn't want to pick up the phone and talk with Morey.

That's not true. The Sixers kept Maxey out of the deal, which doesn't sound like a Morey move. Rockets asked for Simmons+Maxey+Thybulle+undisclosed number of picks. Made that final rebuttal, Morey said no, harden went to BKN
edit: just saw chucks post, feel free to remove this lol

[Roy The Natural]

Philly would have to add value in a Simmons-CJ swap. Its very risky to trade for Ben considering his mental state.

Okay, this is dumb. Portland doesn't have a lot of moves and McCollum's trade value is far more meh than Blazers fans want to admit.

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While I agree with you... isn't Simmons value a lot more meh than we've come around to admitting as well?

[AingesBurner]

Bogey, Favors, and 30 for Simmons be in the value range? Or Clarkson, Favors, O’Neale, and 30?

I have no idea why you think Gobert and Simmons together is a good idea on offense (it's not).

The hope would be our coaching team would improve his shooting, the defense though, the defense.

[amcoolio]

Yeah its disgusting. And its especially irritating when its posters making those offers to bring him to their favorite team for the worst contracts on their roster and no value. Like its one thing to way overreact and say Ben Simmons is now massively negative value(he is not of course) but you lose all credibility to those claims when your goal is to get him to your team. So you realize he's an upgrade but you don't want to pay fair value even fictionally. I don't understand the point of this. At all.

I think Simmons is going to go for a lot less than what you are thinking. This happens pretty much every time with a big trade, people get chided for their trade suggestions, then the trade happens, then it is followed with the trade board veterans going "wow I can't believe he went for that". It's a predictable pattern. We have no idea what the actual value of players is in the NBA.

If Philly adds value to trade him for CJ or trades him for Buddy freaking Hield and no incentive I'll eat every piece of crow on the entire menu.

No, obviously he won't be traded for Hield, but a straight CJ/Simmons swap is very realistic in my eyes.

[Bologna Smasher]

Kings will offer up Barnes, Hield and #9 for Simmons & #28. That's about it. Kings will use him like a Draymond Green, no more of the full time point guard experiment.

[Roy The Natural]

Yeah its disgusting. And its especially irritating when its posters making those offers to bring him to their favorite team for the worst contracts on their roster and no value. Like its one thing to way overreact and say Ben Simmons is now massively negative value(he is not of course) but you lose all credibility to those claims when your goal is to get him to your team. So you realize he's an upgrade but you don't want to pay fair value even fictionally. I don't understand the point of this. At all.

I think Simmons is going to go for a lot less than what you are thinking. This happens pretty much every time with a big trade, people get chided for their trade suggestions, then the trade happens, then it is followed with the trade board veterans going "wow I can't believe he went for that". It's a predictable pattern. We have no idea what the actual value of players is in the NBA.

If Philly adds value to trade him for CJ or trades him for Buddy freaking Hield and no incentive I'll eat every piece of crow on the entire menu.

I think there was only one poster who said that they need to add value for a CJ swap. I still see CJ/RoCo being a solid base with which to work value around. I just think the 1st round pricetag after that has plummeted signifigantly.

[Myth]

Simmons’ value is so low right now that I think Phili would be smart to hold onto him and use the regular season to regain some value, then trade him mid season.

[MoneyTalks41890]

For OKC I’d trade the #6+ for Ben

[Roy The Natural]

Kings will offer up Barnes, Hield and #9 for Simmons & #28. That's about it. Kings will use him like a Draymond Green, no more of the full time point guard experiment.

I just can't imagine him being a good fit on the Kings... their main ball-handler (Fox) isn't a good shooter, and they don't have a center currently who can shoot either... that just seems like a disaster offensively.

[AingesBurner]

For OKC I’d trade the #6+ for Ben

That likely is the best offer.

[Texas Chuck]

Philly would have to add value in a Simmons-CJ swap. Its very risky to trade for Ben considering his mental state.

Okay, this is dumb. Portland doesn't have a lot of moves and McCollum's trade value is far more meh than Blazers fans want to admit.

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While I agree with you... isn't Simmons value a lot more meh than we've come around to admitting as well?

I think its definitely at its absolute nadir. The question is what is that value. I think some have overcorrected too far, but that's in some ways to be expected right after a disappointing series.

[Bologna Smasher]

Kings will offer up Barnes, Hield and #9 for Simmons & #28. That's about it. Kings will use him like a Draymond Green, no more of the full time point guard experiment.

I just can't imagine him being a good fit on the Kings... their main ball-handler (Fox) isn't a good shooter, and they don't have a center currently who can shoot either... that just seems like a disaster offensively.

I see the same issue. Mainly just hoping Fox improves as a shooter and we're able to bring in other players to fill those roles.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Simmons is going to go for a lot less than what you are thinking. This happens pretty much every time with a big trade, people get chided for their trade suggestions, then the trade happens, then it is followed with the trade board veterans going "wow I can't believe he went for that". It's a predictable pattern. We have no idea what the actual value of players is in the NBA.

If Philly adds value to trade him for CJ or trades him for Buddy freaking Hield and no incentive I'll eat every piece of crow on the entire menu.

I think there was only one poster who said that they need to add value for a CJ swap. I still see CJ/RoCo being a solid base with which to work value around. I just think the 1st round pricetag after that has plummeted signifigantly.

Hence me listing that specifically and not saying anything about the dozen or more posts built around CJ plus.

[Roy The Natural]

For OKC I’d trade the #6+ for Ben

That likely is the best offer.

It definitely is. I don't think there's a chance in hell that OKC does it though. Their timeline is loooooonnnnngggg right now. Why give up that high of a pick for Simmons? He's not worth a top 5 type pick in a vacuum, let along on a team that isn't pressing to win immediately.

[jbk1234]

Philly would have to add value in a Simmons-CJ swap. Its very risky to trade for Ben considering his mental state.

Okay, this is dumb. Portland doesn't have a lot of moves and McCollum's trade value is far more meh than Blazers fans want to admit.

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While I agree with you... isn't Simmons value a lot more meh than we've come around to admitting as well?

I think their relative trade values are both pretty meh tbh, but one of them is far younger than the other. We've seen peak performance from one of them.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

For OKC I’d trade the #6+ for Ben

That likely is the best offer.

It definitely is. I don't think there's a chance in hell that OKC does it though. Their timeline is loooooonnnnngggg right now. Why give up that high of a pick for Simmons? He's not worth a top 5 type pick in a vacuum, let along on a team that isn't pressing to win immediately.

Ben Simmons has a higher floor and a higher ceiling than Keon Johnson.

[Godaddycurse]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2094377

Philly trades: Simmons, Harris
Philly receives: Siakam, McCollum

Portland trades: McCollum, 2022 lotto protected 1st
Portland receives: Harris

Toronto trades: Siakam
Toronto receives: Simmons, POR 2022 lotto protected 1st

[AingesBurner]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2094377

Philly trades: Simmons, Harris
Philly receives: Siakam, McCollum

Portland trades: McCollum, 2022 lotto protected 1st
Portland receives: Harris

Toronto trades: Siakam
Toronto receives: Simmons, POR 2022 lotto protected 1st

This could be interesting.