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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#61 » by mcfly1204 » Fri May 16, 2025 11:27 am

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babyjax13 wrote:Is there a 3 way where Cleveland trades Garland for Derrick White and Boston gets Garland but drops a bunch of salary?

Garland is very good but a defensive liability, he doesn't fit at all with what Boston wants.

I mean, he shoots threes?
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Post#62 » by Skybox » Fri May 16, 2025 11:43 am

Suggs for Garland straight up has merit for both teams

-if Suggs’ is really a high-volume 3pt shooter (40% last season) and healthy
-If Garland is an offensive “system of one” like Mitchell and not an undersized defensive liability who gets bullied in playoff intensity

Another significant consideration…next season their salaries are very close- but Garland’s rises significantly & Suggs’ descends significantly.

It could be a huge win for either team or both, depending on which realities turn out to be true. Both teams seem to be overstocked, but in different ways that the trade would help balance.
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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#63 » by toooskies » Fri May 16, 2025 3:23 pm

Skybox wrote:Suggs for Garland straight up has merit for both teams

-if Suggs’ is really a high-volume 3pt shooter (40% last season) and healthy
-If Garland is an offensive “system of one” like Mitchell and not an undersized defensive liability who gets bullied in playoff intensity

Another significant consideration…next season their salaries are very close- but Garland’s rises significantly & Suggs’ descends significantly.

It could be a huge win for either team or both, depending on which realities turn out to be true. Both teams seem to be overstocked, but in different ways that the trade would help balance.

Suggs' contract falling down to 16% of the cap when the Cavs need to be out of the second apron and will have free agents to re-sign could be very appealing.

If Orlando offers this, Cleveland counters with an ask for one or more of: a 1st (possibly protected), Da Silva (fits in the salary gap), or including Okoro for Goga or Mo Wagner. Mostly for optics, the Cavs can't trade an all-star one-for-one for a player perceived as less than that, and one coming off of injury no less.
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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#64 » by mcfly1204 » Fri May 16, 2025 3:47 pm

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Skybox wrote:Suggs for Garland straight up has merit for both teams

-if Suggs’ is really a high-volume 3pt shooter (40% last season) and healthy
-If Garland is an offensive “system of one” like Mitchell and not an undersized defensive liability who gets bullied in playoff intensity

Another significant consideration…next season their salaries are very close- but Garland’s rises significantly & Suggs’ descends significantly.

It could be a huge win for either team or both, depending on which realities turn out to be true. Both teams seem to be overstocked, but in different ways that the trade would help balance.

Suggs' contract falling down to 16% of the cap when the Cavs need to be out of the second apron and will have free agents to re-sign could be very appealing.

If Orlando offers this, Cleveland counters with an ask for one or more of: a 1st (possibly protected), Da Silva (fits in the salary gap), or including Okoro for Goga or Mo Wagner. Mostly for optics, the Cavs can't trade an all-star one-for-one for a player perceived as less than that, and one coming off of injury no less.

Along those same lines, what does Suggs do at an elite level?
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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#65 » by Astaluego » Fri May 16, 2025 4:06 pm

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toooskies wrote:
Skybox wrote:Suggs for Garland straight up has merit for both teams

-if Suggs’ is really a high-volume 3pt shooter (40% last season) and healthy
-If Garland is an offensive “system of one” like Mitchell and not an undersized defensive liability who gets bullied in playoff intensity

Another significant consideration…next season their salaries are very close- but Garland’s rises significantly & Suggs’ descends significantly.

It could be a huge win for either team or both, depending on which realities turn out to be true. Both teams seem to be overstocked, but in different ways that the trade would help balance.

Suggs' contract falling down to 16% of the cap when the Cavs need to be out of the second apron and will have free agents to re-sign could be very appealing.

If Orlando offers this, Cleveland counters with an ask for one or more of: a 1st (possibly protected), Da Silva (fits in the salary gap), or including Okoro for Goga or Mo Wagner. Mostly for optics, the Cavs can't trade an all-star one-for-one for a player perceived as less than that, and one coming off of injury no less.

Along those same lines, what does Suggs do at an elite level?
Defending, he is absolutely elite at that.
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Post#66 » by jbk1234 » Fri May 16, 2025 4:45 pm

No one is trading for Suggs until he takes the court, looks right, and manages to put together a couple of months of healthy play. Even then, I'd be leary because I don't know that his body can withstand the type of defense he plays.
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Post#67 » by tidho » Fri May 16, 2025 4:51 pm

ahhhh it's good to be back where we belong - trying to break up the flawed Garland/Mitchell combination.

I think a lot of the deals posted early are way too generous for the Cavaliers. If they can get a Suggs or Daniels level player, they aren't going to get multiple firsts along with them. ATL seems like a really bad trading partner anyway, some of the NO stuff seemingly could make sense. If Suggs were healthy i think that would be a very fair 1:1.
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Post#68 » by Skybox » Fri May 16, 2025 6:24 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Skybox wrote:Suggs for Garland straight up has merit for both teams

-if Suggs’ is really a high-volume 3pt shooter (40% last season) and healthy
-If Garland is an offensive “system of one” like Mitchell and not an undersized defensive liability who gets bullied in playoff intensity

Another significant consideration…next season their salaries are very close- but Garland’s rises significantly & Suggs’ descends significantly.

It could be a huge win for either team or both, depending on which realities turn out to be true. Both teams seem to be overstocked, but in different ways that the trade would help balance.

Suggs' contract falling down to 16% of the cap when the Cavs need to be out of the second apron and will have free agents to re-sign could be very appealing.

If Orlando offers this, Cleveland counters with an ask for one or more of: a 1st (possibly protected), Da Silva (fits in the salary gap), or including Okoro for Goga or Mo Wagner. Mostly for optics, the Cavs can't trade an all-star one-for-one for a player perceived as less than that, and one coming off of injury no less.

Along those same lines, what does Suggs do at an elite level?


He's probably the BEST point of attack defender in the league...absolute high-energy savage but with the skills & instincts to avoid mistakes. He doesn't just stop guys, he initiates problems for opposing offenses...steals lead to highlight-reel dunks for cherry on top.
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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#69 » by Skybox » Fri May 16, 2025 6:27 pm

tidho wrote:ahhhh it's good to be back where we belong - trying to break up the flawed Garland/Mitchell combination.

I think a lot of the deals posted early are way too generous for the Cavaliers. If they can get a Suggs or Daniels level player, they aren't going to get multiple firsts along with them. ATL seems like a really bad trading partner anyway, some of the NO stuff seemingly could make sense. If Suggs were healthy i think that would be a very fair 1:1.


I also think if ATL is sticking with Trae - there isn't a better backcourt pairing for him than Daniels, so it'd have to be a stupid offer, imo.

Suggs is everyone in ORL's favorite, absolutely heartbeat of the team...but they've got KCP and Anthony Black in-house to defend at a very high level (Suggs is the best of them, but...) and a total lack of offensive playmaking in the backcourt. It's just a practical move for ORL if they can't find enough offense while keeping Suggs...I honestly hope they keep him, but the trade is a logical one to discuss, from both sides, imo.
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Post#70 » by Slim Tubby » Fri May 16, 2025 7:33 pm

The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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Post#71 » by jbk1234 » Fri May 16, 2025 8:44 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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My feeling is that the Cavs can't move Garland without getting another triple threat back. For as talented as Mitchell is, he gets tunnel vision in the playoffs. We'd could slide Strus to SG, but we'd need a forward who can initiate offense.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#72 » by DowJones » Sat May 17, 2025 2:35 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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My feeling is that the Cavs can't move Garland without getting another triple threat back. For as talented as Mitchell is, he gets tunnel vision in the playoffs. We'd could slide Strus to SG, but we'd need a forward who can initiate offense.


The offense was really good in the playoffs without Garland, averaging 123ppg. In an ideal world, Mobley continues to develop and takes more offensive responsibility.

I don’t think I would do McDaniels for Garland if I am Cleveland, but it is something I would consider. The defense would be really good.
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Post#73 » by jbk1234 » Sat May 17, 2025 3:43 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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My feeling is that the Cavs can't move Garland without getting another triple threat back. For as talented as Mitchell is, he gets tunnel vision in the playoffs. We'd could slide Strus to SG, but we'd need a forward who can initiate offense.


The offense was really good in the playoffs without Garland, averaging 123ppg. In an ideal world, Mobley continues to develop and takes more offensive responsibility.

I don’t think I would do McDaniels for Garland if I am Cleveland, but it is something I would consider. The defense would be really good.


The offense was really good against the Heat, with and without Garland. The only time it hit 123 against the Pacers was Game 3, or Garland's first game back.
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Re: Darius Garland Trade Proposal Ideas 

Post#74 » by Slim Tubby » Sat May 17, 2025 3:46 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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My feeling is that the Cavs can't move Garland without getting another triple threat back. For as talented as Mitchell is, he gets tunnel vision in the playoffs. We'd could slide Strus to SG, but we'd need a forward who can initiate offense.


The offense was really good in the playoffs without Garland, averaging 123ppg. In an ideal world, Mobley continues to develop and takes more offensive responsibility.

I don’t think I would do McDaniels for Garland if I am Cleveland, but it is something I would consider. The defense would be really good.
Thanks for the responses, guys.

Can you imagine a frontcourt of Allen, Mobley and McDaniels from a defensive perspective? Yikes.

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Post#75 » by Walmart » Sat May 17, 2025 3:47 am

DowJones wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:The general consensus on the Wolves board is a "no" but how would Cavs fans feel about a Garland for McDaniels trade? It's fairly certain Connelly wouldn't move Jaden but would either side need to add value?

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My feeling is that the Cavs can't move Garland without getting another triple threat back. For as talented as Mitchell is, he gets tunnel vision in the playoffs. We'd could slide Strus to SG, but we'd need a forward who can initiate offense.


The offense was really good in the playoffs without Garland, averaging 123ppg. In an ideal world, Mobley continues to develop and takes more offensive responsibility.

I don’t think I would do McDaniels for Garland if I am Cleveland, but it is something I would consider. The defense would be really good.

Seems like more of an easy no for Minnesota.
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Post#76 » by tidho » Mon May 19, 2025 2:53 pm

HornetJail wrote:pick #4?


reasonale value, but CHA can't absorb that contract so that have to add money going back.
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Post#77 » by Mavrelous » Mon May 19, 2025 2:56 pm

tidho wrote:
HornetJail wrote:pick #4?


reasonale value, but CHA can't absorb that contract so that have to add money going back.

They have many picks this year they can use them to dump Nurkic and Green.
If CHO are willing to pay #4 and CLE are willing to take it, it can be worked out...
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Post#78 » by HornetJail » Mon May 19, 2025 3:07 pm

tidho wrote:
HornetJail wrote:pick #4?


reasonale value, but CHA can't absorb that contract so that have to add money going back.

we have Nurkic (exp), Josh Green (2 years), Grant Williams (2 years), Okogie (exp), Salaun (rookie scale, could be expiring if you decline them options), and top of the round 2nd rounders to help you dump salary if needed
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Post#79 » by Texas Chuck » Mon May 19, 2025 4:22 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
tidho wrote:
HornetJail wrote:pick #4?


reasonale value, but CHA can't absorb that contract so that have to add money going back.

They have many picks this year they can use them to dump Nurkic and Green.
If CHO are willing to pay #4 and CLE are willing to take it, it can be worked out...


Cleveland should be looking for veteran help back rather than pick 4. Especially if Giannis really leaves teh conference.
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Post#80 » by Mavrelous » Mon May 19, 2025 4:25 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
tidho wrote:
reasonale value, but CHA can't absorb that contract so that have to add money going back.

They have many picks this year they can use them to dump Nurkic and Green.
If CHO are willing to pay #4 and CLE are willing to take it, it can be worked out...


Cleveland should be looking for veteran help back rather than pick 4. Especially if Giannis really leaves teh conference.


Yeah, I would run it back if I was them, east is wide open, or reroute #4 for immediate help...
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