Who Wants Reaves? Give Best Offers

[PistolPeteJR]

A guy can score at all 3 levels and playmake as pnr ball handler but his skill set isn't needed for most teams.

Do you realize who made that point lol? Can’t take him seriously.

[KuzControl]

No point in making this thread man, RealGM REALLY undervalues AR

No point in you participating if you aren't interested in the opinions here. I think the OP does see value or they would not have started the thread. We appreciate your concern, but we can take it from here.

Woah

Not questioning whether the OP sees value, but every time I’ve seen Reaves in a trade offer, it’s always ‘Reaves sucks on defense to the third degree, is an overrated playmaker and can’t be an important player on a high-level team’

FWIW I think he works in theory for a number of franchises, given he’s good both on and off-ball

[Texas Chuck]

No point in making this thread man, RealGM REALLY undervalues AR

No point in you participating if you aren't interested in the opinions here. I think the OP does see value or they would not have started the thread. We appreciate your concern, but we can take it from here.

Woah

Not questioning whether the OP sees value, but every time I’ve seen Reaves in a trade offer, it’s always ‘Reaves sucks on defense to the third degree, is an overrated playmaker and can’t be an important player on a high-level team’

FWIW I think he works in theory for a number of franchises, given he’s good both on and off-ball

Are there extreme takes? Of course there are. Some in favor of the Lakers, though for some reason you aren't as bothered by those.

But the talk outside of mainly one poster has been -- very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value. We've already seen him play a key role on a conference finalist. And play very well in that playoff run. So we can ignore anyone suggesting he can't.

the point is trying to stifle discussion because you don't like it when someone doesn't love your guy enough isn't really helpful. Either tell everyone why they should value him or if you really think REALGM as a whole undervalues him then ignore all discussion.

But clearly people wanted to talk about this topic.

[oldncreaky]

No point in you participating if you aren't interested in the opinions here. I think the OP does see value or they would not have started the thread. We appreciate your concern, but we can take it from here.

Woah

Not questioning whether the OP sees value, but every time I’ve seen Reaves in a trade offer, it’s always ‘Reaves sucks on defense to the third degree, is an overrated playmaker and can’t be an important player on a high-level team’

FWIW I think he works in theory for a number of franchises, given he’s good both on and off-ball

Are there extreme takes? Of course there are. Some in favor of the Lakers, though for some reason you aren't as bothered by those.

But the talk outside of mainly one poster has been -- very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value. We've already seen him play a key role on a conference finalist. And play very well in that playoff run. So we can ignore anyone suggesting he can't.

the point is trying to stifle discussion because you don't like it when someone doesn't love your guy enough isn't really helpful. Either tell everyone why they should value him or if you really think REALGM as a whole undervalues him then ignore all discussion.

But clearly people wanted to talk about this topic.

"very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value"

This

A team trading for Reaves gets
(1) one year of his play on-court
plus
(2) his Bird rights

Reaves might re-sign under Bird rights, or might yield something in a S&T, or he might just walk leaving the team that traded for him with sweet memories of his single year with them. That detracts from his value a lot, particularly if the team trading for him isn't confident he will extend/re-sign.

[shrink]

"very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value"

This

A team trading for Reaves gets
(1) one year of his play on-court
plus
(2) his Bird rights

Reaves might re-sign under Bird rights, or might yield something in a S&T, or he might just walk leaving the team that traded for him with sweet memories of his single year with them. That detracts from his value a lot, particularly if the team trading for him isn't confident he will extend/re-sign.

This is exactly right. Some Lakers fans may dislike RealGM posters’ opinion and call us biased, but how many assets would a real GM offer for a player, that could easily decide to be a one-year rental, and could walk for nothing? Next summer has several teams with cap space, and he could choose any of them, since his contract is too low to extend off of.

[KuzControl]

No point in you participating if you aren't interested in the opinions here. I think the OP does see value or they would not have started the thread. We appreciate your concern, but we can take it from here.

Woah

Not questioning whether the OP sees value, but every time I’ve seen Reaves in a trade offer, it’s always ‘Reaves sucks on defense to the third degree, is an overrated playmaker and can’t be an important player on a high-level team’

FWIW I think he works in theory for a number of franchises, given he’s good both on and off-ball

Are there extreme takes? Of course there are. Some in favor of the Lakers, though for some reason you aren't as bothered by those.

But the talk outside of mainly one poster has been -- very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value. We've already seen him play a key role on a conference finalist. And play very well in that playoff run. So we can ignore anyone suggesting he can't.

the point is trying to stifle discussion because you don't like it when someone doesn't love your guy enough isn't really helpful. Either tell everyone why they should value him or if you really think REALGM as a whole undervalues him then ignore all discussion.

But clearly people wanted to talk about this topic.

Come on man, quit with the passive aggressiveness

I’m going off of what I’ve generally seen when I’ve looked at Lakers trade suggestions on this forum. Not saying Reaves doesn’t have his flaws, of course he does, but it feels particularly very over-stated on here, at least from my perspective

Reaves is what he is - a very talented offensive player, that’s not good on defense. But Kyrie hasn’t been good on defense either, and did no-one think the Luka/Kyrie combo couldn’t make it far? In fact, they actually made it to the finals!!

Not trying to stifle discussion, I’m only one person after all. I’m making an observation that I’ve judged on here over, say, the past year

[KuzControl]

Woah

Not questioning whether the OP sees value, but every time I’ve seen Reaves in a trade offer, it’s always ‘Reaves sucks on defense to the third degree, is an overrated playmaker and can’t be an important player on a high-level team’

FWIW I think he works in theory for a number of franchises, given he’s good both on and off-ball

Are there extreme takes? Of course there are. Some in favor of the Lakers, though for some reason you aren't as bothered by those.

But the talk outside of mainly one poster has been -- very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value. We've already seen him play a key role on a conference finalist. And play very well in that playoff run. So we can ignore anyone suggesting he can't.

the point is trying to stifle discussion because you don't like it when someone doesn't love your guy enough isn't really helpful. Either tell everyone why they should value him or if you really think REALGM as a whole undervalues him then ignore all discussion.

But clearly people wanted to talk about this topic.

"very good offensive player whose contract hurts his value"

This

A team trading for Reaves gets
(1) one year of his play on-court
plus
(2) his Bird rights

Reaves might re-sign under Bird rights, or might yield something in a S&T, or he might just walk leaving the team that traded for him with sweet memories of his single year with them. That detracts from his value a lot, particularly if the team trading for him isn't confident he will extend/re-sign.

I’d assume any team that trades for Reaves would need to get a re-signing promise before they trade for him? And also would need to have the flexibility to do so

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I’d assume any team that trades for Reaves would need to get a re-signing promise before they trade for him? And also would need to have the flexibility to do so

Why would Reaves make that promise, for a re-sign a year from now? He may prefer a different team by then, or may be walking away from a bigger payday elsewhere in 2026 free agency?

And why would a team make that promise, when Reaves could regress or even have a career-ending injury?

[KuzControl]

I’d assume any team that trades for Reaves would need to get a re-signing promise before they trade for him? And also would need to have the flexibility to do so

Why would Reaves make that promise, for a re-sign a year from now? He may prefer a different team by then, or may be walking away from a bigger payday elsewhere in 2026 free agency?

And why would a team make that promise, when Reaves could regress or even have a career-ending injury?

We’ve seen it before (re: teams making re-signing promises, or just giving extensions straight after trading for a player), why wouldn’t we see it again?

And obviously Reaves would have to be comfortable with where he was going. I’d assume LA wouldn’t do him completely dirty, and would afford him the luxury of a pseudo-NTC

[BK_2020]

Promises are not enforceable. Promises to resign are broken all the time by both players and teams.

[oldncreaky]

I’d assume any team that trades for Reaves would need to get a re-signing promise before they trade for him? And also would need to have the flexibility to do so

Why would Reaves make that promise, for a re-sign a year from now? He may prefer a different team by then, or may be walking away from a bigger payday elsewhere in 2026 free agency?

And why would a team make that promise, when Reaves could regress or even have a career-ending injury?

Bingo

Reaves can extend with a 40% raise from his $13.9M salary -- a starting salary of roughly $19.5M for 2026-27

We know that salary is below his value. Teams know it. His agent knows it. He isn't going to extend, and therefore will become a FA. Nobody is going to trade for him on a "promise".

[Texas Chuck]

Come on man, quit with the passive aggressiveness

I was trying to mod with a smile. In the future, I'll just be more direct. Don't make posts like your first one itt. It adds nothing constructive to the conversation.

I appreciate that you have come back with substance. I wish you had started there is all.

[tcheco]

Unless the team is chosen by Reaves, cant see anyone risking high value assets to get him without knowing he wanted to be there. Even then that could limit the number of teams going after him and diminishing his value for the lack of better deals. Not that all this is reality and gonna happen 100%, but teams should be looking at that

[KuzControl]

Promises are not enforceable. Promises to resign are broken all the time by both players and teams.

Can’t think of many that have been broken once someone has agreed to be traded to a team at the deadline?

Yeah you get the occasional Kyrie/Boston deal, but that ‘promise’ was made to the fans a while before the deadline

[Mavrelous]

Mavs traded 2 starters and unprotected 1st for 2 months of Kyrie Irving
Pacers traded 3 1sts for 3 months of Siakam.
Being expiring lowers the value, but doesn't nullify it.

[BK_2020]

Promises are not enforceable. Promises to resign are broken all the time by both players and teams.

Can’t think of many that have been broken once someone has agreed to be traded to a team at the deadline?

Yeah you get the occasional Kyrie/Boston deal, but that ‘promise’ was made to the fans a while before the deadline

Harden and Kyrie

[KuzControl]

Promises are not enforceable. Promises to resign are broken all the time by both players and teams.

Can’t think of many that have been broken once someone has agreed to be traded to a team at the deadline?

Yeah you get the occasional Kyrie/Boston deal, but that ‘promise’ was made to the fans a while before the deadline

Harden and Kyrie

Did either of them get traded to a team in February, then up and left in July?

[Karmaloop]

We know that salary is below his value. Teams know it. His agent knows it. He isn't going to extend, and therefore will become a FA. Nobody is going to trade for him on a "promise".

You're right. But they can knowing they have his Bird Rights to rely on.

[zimpy27]

Reaves may very well extend for $90m over 4 years with another PO.

He did go for $55m over 4 years with a PO

[schaffy]

Reaves may very well extend for $90m over 4 years with another PO.

He did go for $55m over 4 years with a PO

His agent won't be representing him much longer if he does that.

He signed below market last time as an rfa and no one wanted to give him an offer sheet and tie up space for a week knowing the Lakers would match an offer. Everyone agreed after the fact that other teams not doing anything lowered what he ultimately signed for. I'd be stunned if we see any sort of repeat this time around.

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