Shams: Jrue for Simons

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I hate this so much. Even if Simons had absolute zero value to any other team I would rather just let his contract expire.

This front office obviously thinks Holiday and Grant and Ayton is the winning formula in the west. Massive incompetence.

[tmorgan]

So the Blazers traded Jrue to the Celtics for damaged goods and two future firsts, the Celtics overpaid him, and then returned him for a couple of seconds and an expiring.

The Celtics got a chip out of it so that part is a win. No idea what the Blazers are doing unless they've already made a decision on paying Sharpe and possibly Scoot. Deni is going to get paid.

Deni’s gonna get paid… after three more seasons.

[jbk1234]

what in the world? Boston did great here

The Blazers got fleeced into taking Jrue Holiday's contract without draft compensation,while also giving up Simons, who should be worth a 1st round pick. Then again, maybe Simons doesn't hold as much value as I thought.

If Simons was worth a first on his contract, he'd have been traded before now. Once the Magic traded for Bane, it was difficult to identify a team that would trade for him without sending back bad money.

[giberish]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

I am starting to come around to the idea Jrue is at worst neutral and teams would pay something of value for him, but not at the cost of a 0 income salary and moving up in the draft.

Jrue is a positive value asset in the league, unless someone believes Simons to be negative.

I have Simons as roughly neutral. Undersized, offense-only SG so worth way less than just his scoring would indicate. So that puts Holiday as roughly neutral as well (the 2 distant 2nds are very minor). Which is on the high side of my expectations. Though I felt that the valuation of expensive and good but not elite players was a big question.

Seems good for Boston. Helps keep them plausibly in the playoffs next year with a clean salary reset in 2026.

Good for next year for Portland but very questionable for the last two years of Holiday's contract which could look really bad if there's further decline. I think the debate will be whether Scoot or Sharpe start next to him as Holiday can cover either guard. Sharpe probably has the lead but I think Portland would hope Scoot can continue major improvements to force his way into starting.

[K_chile22]

I don't think Simons had much value but probably more than jrue. Jrue looked about 35% washed, if that dips more Simons could just be better next year

[facothomas22]

I don't think Simons had much value but probably more than jrue. Jrue looked about 35% washed, if that dips more Simons could just be better next year

Yeah, if no team were willing to assign 1st round pick value to Simons, the Blazers are better off just keeping him and letting his contract expire. The Blazers are not a Jrue Holiday away from contending for a Championship or even making it past the 1st round of the playoffs. Unless there's a follow up trade that involves Holiday getting flipped for assets somehow, this trade is simply bad for them.

[hugepatsfan]

I just really have no idea where people are getting that Jrue looked washed last year. I feel like I must have been watching different games. I was totally on board with the negative valuations of him because of the high potential for it, but I didn’t see it at all last year far least not the insane levels people on this board say.

[Mavrelous]

A very confusing trade by POR, if they make the play in I'll eat crow I guess.

[djFan71]

I don't think Simons had much value but probably more than jrue. Jrue looked about 35% washed, if that dips more Simons could just be better next year

Yeah, if no team were willing to assign 1st round pick value to Simons, the Blazers are better off just keeping him and letting his contract expire. The Blazers are not a Jrue Holiday away from contending for a Championship or even making it past the 1st round of the playoffs. Unless there's a follow up trade that involves Holiday getting flipped for assets somehow, this trade is simply bad for them.

Making it TO the first round of the playoffs is a big deal for POR. Jrue is an ideal mentor/backcourt pairing for Scoot. Doesn't need the ball and plays great D. Should bounce back and shoot a little better with a longer rest this summer. It's an investment in their young guys. Grant/Ayton aren't vet leaders like him. Jrue is just on another level there, and the rumors of his demise on the court are very unfounded.

[Myth]

what in the world? Boston did great here

The Blazers got fleeced into taking Jrue Holiday's contract without draft compensation,while also giving up Simons, who should be worth a 1st round pick. Then again, maybe Simons doesn't hold as much value as I thought.

If Simons was worth a first on his contract, he'd have been traded before now. Once the Magic traded for Bane, it was difficult to identify a team that would trade for him without sending back bad money.

Then let him expire and walk. Don’t take a worse contract. Cronin is so afraid to let somebody walk for nothing that he’ll extend or trade for another bad/long contract to claim he got something.

[hugepatsfan]

If there’s one constant in Stevens’ tenure as GM so far it’s that any trade he’s actually talking about does NOT make it to the media. So if you read any rumors about anyone, instantly cross that potential deal off the list lol

[facothomas22]

Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him. Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year player. I don't view Austin as so much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30+ million per year, but Simons isn't worth 27.6 million per year.

[Myth]

A very confusing trade by POR, if they make the play in I'll eat crow I guess.

Play in or not, 2026 is not the concern IMO. It is how bad this contract looks in the years after.

[jowglenn]

This is the kind of veteran leadership that Portland needs to take the next step. They've got good young guys in Avdija and Camara. Scoot got a bad rap early but I think he's got something. Sharpe has potential.

I think they should see what they could get for the Ayton expiring & the #11 pick and really go for broke.

[djFan71]

Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

I think Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him? Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year. I don't view Austin as much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30 million per year, but Simons isn't even worth 27.6 million per year.

It could also just mean Jrue had more value than most thought.

[hugepatsfan]

The Blazers got fleeced into taking Jrue Holiday's contract without draft compensation,while also giving up Simons, who should be worth a 1st round pick. Then again, maybe Simons doesn't hold as much value as I thought.

If Simons was worth a first on his contract, he'd have been traded before now. Once the Magic traded for Bane, it was difficult to identify a team that would trade for him without sending back bad money.

Then let him expire and walk. Don’t take a worse contract. Cronin is so afraid to let somebody walk for nothing that he’ll extend or trade for another bad/long contract to claim he got something.

I don’t like this move for POR because the contract is too long and they aren’t good enough for it to really make a difference… I do think you will appreciate the deal more though when the season starts. Reports of Jrue’s demise are greatly overstated. Everyone knew BOS needed to move him for money reasons and an over the top narrative turning it into an actual basketball decision spawned out of that. Im sure if you run tracking data and all that he’s lost some quickness and such, but overall he was really no different last year than before other than bad shooting in the corner compared to historically good the year before which just seems like shooting variance. His usage on Boston fell off because of their number of weapons, but anytime injuries called for him to scale up he was great.

In terms of on court impact, you will feel this is a steal for POR in short order. But yeah, the risk of decline is huge at his age and contract length.

[hugepatsfan]

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Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him. Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year. I don't view Austin as much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30+ million per year, but Simons isn't worth 27.6 million per year.

I think this says more about how the league viewed Jrue vs fans/media than the same for Simons. Jrue is still an awesome player that can be a top 3-4 player on a depth deep playoff team and is paid fairly for that. But fans saw the age and contract length and made up a narrative that he’s washed and that’s why BOS had to move him. It’s totally exaggerated.

[giberish]

Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him. Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year. I don't view Austin as much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30+ million per year, but Simons isn't worth 27.6 million per year.

Reaves is better on defense than Simons and thus better overall. Also, teams may not view Simons as being worth $27.6M and a 1st round pick, but being worth $27.6M only. Which would put Reaves as worth $30/yr or a bit more if you don't also have to give up a 1st for him.

White's more like $25-30M/yr IMO. Still solid starter money. So any team trading for him would need to have starter money available to resign him next season to not view him as a rental. With the addition of Bane Orlando can't do that anymore. Chicago still easily has starter money available going forward so despite all the talk he's likely to just stay in Chicago (and Reaves in LA as well).

[facothomas22]

Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

I think Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him? Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year. I don't view Austin as much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30 million per year, but Simons isn't even worth 27.6 million per year.

It could also just mean Jrue had more value than most thought.

I don't buy that Jrue Holiday has much value in a trade. He coming of a season where his offense has clearly regressed and while his defense is still quite impactful, it's not the same as it was in year's past.Lets not forget he's going making between 32-37 million dollars over the next 3 years with a player option at the end of that deal. That's not a good contract considering his production at this point in his career.

[Mavrelous]

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Another thing here, what does this mean for similar players like Coby White, Colin Sexton or Austin Reaves?

Coby White is better than Simons, but he has some of the same strengths and weakness as him. Does this mean he's not going worth all that much in a trade? I have always viewed him as a late lottery pick and maybe this is still the case, but maybe not. I always believed that he should around 30 million dollars per year next off season. Perhaps this trade changes things , but maybe not.

Colin Sexton is basically the same player as Simons, are the Jazz simply stuck with Sexton now since nobody is going to assign meaningful to him?

Far as Austin Reaves, I wonder if this is going pressures him into to simply signing the 4/89 million extension this off season. Because if no teams views Simons at his salary as a 1st round pick,there no way a team view Austin Reaves as a 30+ million dollar per year. I don't view Austin as much better than Simons that Austin is worth 30+ million per year, but Simons isn't worth 27.6 million per year.

I think this says more about how the league viewed Jrue vs fans/media than the same for Simons. Jrue is still an awesome player that can be a top 3-4 player on a depth deep playoff team and is paid fairly for that. But fans saw the age and contract length and made up a narrative that he’s washed and that’s why BOS had to move him. It’s totally exaggerated.

We'll see next year how this deal looks.
Thisnisnthe FO that gave Jerami Grant that contract.
Jrue deal isn't bad because of this year, but because of the next 2.