Shams: Porzingis to ATL

[MasterIchiro]

You guys have 3 picks in the Top 34 and 1 pick in the Top 32.

You have a way with words

Hornets fans are among our most optimistic despite a franchise that has given them basically zero reason to be. Charlotte must be a hell of a place to live.

What a random stray, lol stay classy

What is with this **** guy?

[Texas Chuck]

My apologies to the posters offended by my post. I attempted a light hearted comment about how some fans manage to stay positive despite their team giving them little reason and its clearly ruffled feathers.

I take ownership of it having been unnecessary and my bad.

Now moving on....

[moss_is_1]

Not quite by my calculation they have to renounce Horford. And they're still about $6-7 million in.

Would they actually renounced him ? With the current trades that they made they might . I don’t see them trying to be the will be effective in 2 seasons time .

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

I believe if they renounce him they could re-sign him using an exception like the BAE or MLE.

[BK_2020]

Would they actually renounced him ? With the current trades that they made they might . I don’t see them trying to be the will be effective in 2 seasons time .

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

I believe if they renounce him they could re-sign him using an exception like the BAE or MLE.

Why would they do that? They have the bird rights on Horford.

[jayjaysee]

Would they actually renounced him ? With the current trades that they made they might . I don’t see them trying to be the will be effective in 2 seasons time .

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

They don’t need to renounce him, it wouldn’t save any money, outside of cap space they’ll never see. Shouldn’t impact their tax amount at all.

But I would guess he prefers to either retire or look at a new team that will be contending though? I guess he might just want to finish off in Boston but seems like he should want to go to a contender to finish up a great career. Boston could/should give him Udonis treatment I guess if he wants it.

[BK_2020]

Would they actually renounced him ? With the current trades that they made they might . I don’t see them trying to be the will be effective in 2 seasons time .

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

They don’t need to renounce him, it wouldn’t save any money, outside of cap space they’ll never see. Shouldn’t impact their tax amount at all.

But I would guess he prefers to either retire or look at a new team that will be contending though? I guess he might just want to finish off in Boston but seems like he should want to go to a contender to finish up a great career. Boston could/should give him Udonis treatment I guess if he wants it.

Horford is too good and has made too much money to want to end up as the team clown like Udonis.

[moss_is_1]

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

I believe if they renounce him they could re-sign him using an exception like the BAE or MLE.

Why would they do that? They have the bird rights on Horford.

Correct. Was just answering his question.

[jayjaysee]

I'll admit I don't know the rules on this but could they renounce him and give him 3yr $9 million?

They don’t need to renounce him, it wouldn’t save any money, outside of cap space they’ll never see. Shouldn’t impact their tax amount at all.

But I would guess he prefers to either retire or look at a new team that will be contending though? I guess he might just want to finish off in Boston but seems like he should want to go to a contender to finish up a great career. Boston could/should give him Udonis treatment I guess if he wants it.

Horford is too good and has made too much money to want to end up as the team clown like Udonis.

I really don’t understand what this response is. No one compared the on court talent of the two and no one should..

But Udonis is not a team clown. He is loved by the organization and the city. And is taken care of by them both still.

And I’d assume Boston would happily give him a 2 year deal this offseason understanding he probably plays 40 games this lost season and might choose to retire after it.

I would want my team to do that for a player like him.

[BK_2020]

They don’t need to renounce him, it wouldn’t save any money, outside of cap space they’ll never see. Shouldn’t impact their tax amount at all.

But I would guess he prefers to either retire or look at a new team that will be contending though? I guess he might just want to finish off in Boston but seems like he should want to go to a contender to finish up a great career. Boston could/should give him Udonis treatment I guess if he wants it.

Horford is too good and has made too much money to want to end up as the team clown like Udonis.

I really don’t understand what this response is. No one compared the on court talent of the two and no one should..

But Udonis is not a team clown. He is loved by the organization and the city. And is taken care of by them both still.

And I’d assume Boston would happily give him a 2 year deal this offseason understanding he probably plays 40 games this lost season and might choose to retire after it.

I would want my team to do that for a player like him.

Horford doesn't need Boston to do him a charity. That's my point. He's not an Udonis or a Thanasis. If he was willing to play for $3 million a year, 30 teams will offer him a vet minimum.

[jayjaysee]

Horford is too good and has made too much money to want to end up as the team clown like Udonis.

I really don’t understand what this response is. No one compared the on court talent of the two and no one should..

But Udonis is not a team clown. He is loved by the organization and the city. And is taken care of by them both still.

And I’d assume Boston would happily give him a 2 year deal this offseason understanding he probably plays 40 games this lost season and might choose to retire after it.

I would want my team to do that for a player like him.

Horford doesn't need Boston to do him a charity. That's my point. He's not an Udonis or a Thanasis. If he was willing to play for $3 million a year, 30 teams will offer him a vet minimum.

So my post said he’d want to retire or go to a contender, right? But you responded to the part about him wanting to stay in Boston. But only responded to how it would mostly be off court impact because it’s a lost season.

If I had not compared him to UD and instead compared him to 39 year old Dirk sticking it out with Dallas during a terrible season instead of moving on? Same/same.

[R-DAWG]

On the surface it seems expensive for Atlanta, but they probably didn’t love anyone on the board at that spot. Also, they have a wide open path to a top 6 pick and what should be a winnable 1st rd series. So I respect them for going for it.

Trae/Daniels/Johnson/Reschier/Porzingis with the ability to mix Okongwu in. Plus they will fill out the bench.

It’s an interesting lineup.

But man, Boston feels like they win every trade.

[Scoot McGroot]

Atlanta has been desperate for a true stretch 5 for years. They got a good one here for a pretty affordable price? If KP is healthy for 65+ games, I really like this for them, and it will tell a LOT of where ATLANTA is going forward and if they should be a true rebuild or a reload team.

[Godaddycurse]

Atlanta has been desperate for a true stretch 5 for years. They got a good one here for a pretty affordable price? If KP is healthy for 65+ games, I really like this for them, and it will tell a LOT of where ATLANTA is going forward and if they should be a true rebuild or a reload team.

Its a giant if for KP and JJ to both be healthy for 65+ games

KP last 2 years: 99 GP
JJ last 2 years: 92 GP

[The Golden Fang]

Porzingis can barely play basketball at this point. Another masterclass by Brad Stevens.

[CP War Hawks]

On the surface it seems expensive for Atlanta, but they probably didn’t love anyone on the board at that spot. Also, they have a wide open path to a top 6 pick and what should be a winnable 1st rd series. So I respect them for going for it.

Trae/Daniels/Johnson/Reschier/Porzingis with the ability to mix Okongwu in. Plus they will fill out the bench.

It’s an interesting lineup.

But man, Boston feels like they win every trade.

KP likely doesn't start for health reasons. He obviously could not handle starter mins in his physical prime and now age 30 coming off a serious lower leg injury. Hawks don't have an amazing physical therapy staff or anything.

20-25 mpg and if he stays relatively healthy with those mins, that should be the path. Btw Zac is the sf.

Trae - Bufkin
Dyson - Levert (fa)
Zac - Vit
JJ - Gueye
OO - KP

[uraverage]

Hornets fans are among our most optimistic despite a franchise that has given them basically zero reason to be. Charlotte must be a hell of a place to live.

I think it depends on what you are into. Live there after I graduated high-school in the mid to late 90s and it's was a complete blast. 2 hours to the mountains and 2 hours to the beach. If you were into a certain music scene (and the stuff that came with it), it was abundant and so good. So many concerts happening at the surrounding colleges. Good times and good vibes. Then you add all the tan honey's. Miss it to this day, but i guess we all have to grow up. I wonder how it is now??

[wolves_89]

From the way the value works out, it looks like the deal was Porzingis for Mann/Niang/#22 from Atlanta. Boston then used #22 to entice the Nets to use their trade exception to take Mann before the fiscal end of the 2024-25 season, thus saving the Celtics a ton of tax money (and getting them out of the 2nd apron).

This is for apron for 25-26, the 24-25 apron/tax calculation is set already after end of regular season i believe

Makes sense that a team can't reduce their tax bill after the regular season, that would set off a yearly June trade frenzy for teams trying to cut their luxury tax bills.

[Netaman]

buying #22 at the price of accepting a 3 year deal at MLE seems like good business for nets, especially since Mann is at least decent. Seems possible they may already be re-routing him since he deleted a tweet about having been born in brooklyn. maybe to a team with a bigger but shorter contract?

seems like tomorrow is going to be quite the busy day for brooklyn. I'd be surprised if they dont somehow consolidate those 5 into 3 FRPs in 2025.

[jredsaz]

We've obviously had the Niang/Mann part for a while. I'm a little surprised ATL had to throw in 22 without at least getting Hauser too. But, I'll take it. I was wondering what to do with Mann in this scenario - even started the "What's the deal, Mann?" thread. But, I guess this is the answer.

Overall, works out for BOS. Details on the 2nds would be nice.

You think ATL would be interested in ONeale or Allen into their TPE for something of value? Kit and/or Gueye? They need some bench shooting and depth now.

[jredsaz]

Atlanta has been desperate for a true stretch 5 for years. They got a good one here for a pretty affordable price? If KP is healthy for 65+ games, I really like this for them, and it will tell a LOT of where ATLANTA is going forward and if they should be a true rebuild or a reload team.

Its a giant if for KP and JJ to both be healthy for 65+ games

KP last 2 years: 99 GP
JJ last 2 years: 92 GP

In the East it’s all about if they’re healthy for the playoffs and healthy enough through the regular season.