(Shams) DFS to Rockets

[Godaddycurse]

Is the consensus that DFS is not a good role player? For 12.5 mill, or slightly less than 8% of the cap?

I figure on a 3 year, especially a 2 year, that the contract is easily trade-able for positive value (2 2nds ish).

In 2024, 31 year old DFS plus huge salary savings/getting under the 2nd apron was worth 3 future seconds. We'll have to wait and see if a 34 year old DFS can bring back 2 seconds.

That was half a season of DFS, locked into sub starter money that you can opt out of at any point DFS has different value.

only if his play keeps up. if he declines from age then the extra control means nothing

[BK_2020]

Is the consensus that DFS is not a good role player? For 12.5 mill, or slightly less than 8% of the cap?

I figure on a 3 year, especially a 2 year, that the contract is easily trade-able for positive value (2 2nds ish).

In 2024, 31 year old DFS plus huge salary savings/getting under the 2nd apron was worth 3 future seconds. We'll have to wait and see if a 34 year old DFS can bring back 2 seconds.

That was half a season of DFS, locked into sub starter money that you can opt out of at any point DFS has different value.

DFS should never have been a starter in the NBA. He's now 32 and there's a good chance of him straight up washing out PJ Tucker-style at any moment. You want players like that for half-season commitments, not "locked into sub starter money."
The Rockets are in a position to overpay though and it's not a bad investment for them, just not a contract DFS would've gotten from most NBA teams, even the Lakers.

[K_chile22]

In 2024, 31 year old DFS plus huge salary savings/getting under the 2nd apron was worth 3 future seconds. We'll have to wait and see if a 34 year old DFS can bring back 2 seconds.

That was half a season of DFS, locked into sub starter money that you can opt out of at any point DFS has different value.

only if his play keeps up. if he declines from age then the extra control means nothing

Well duh, then it's awesome you got his last good years and can just tell him goodbye with no long term commitment

[Mavrelous]

DFS at 13/yr is a bargain, and will likely be worth every penny on the next 2 years.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Great deal for the Rockets. Lakers really should have tried to do something more creative even if it was doing a sign and trade. Ayton walking in for free makes up for the mismanagement here, but just poor job.

It’s DFS vs ayton and the kings backup Pf

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Yeah.Thats a really good deal for Houston. Even if its mostly guaranteed on the third year..

2yr34 type would’ve been a better deal for him and easily dumped if LAL actually was able to do something with cap space next summer..

Really don’t like being conservative (polite?) for a year of Luka’s prime and maybe LBJ’s last season..

Don’t think DFS wanted to be in LA for the same money.

Might just like Texas better.

Lakers couldn’t front load him an offer without getting rid of some dead weight.

Yeah, can’t know what he actually wanted you are right.

But I think DFS is worth the seconds it would’ve cost to dump Maxi or Vincent (or whoever) if the team wasn’t willing to spend to keep them all for a year.

Sadly lakers only got one second and it’s 2032. I was hoping that they sent a pick swap to dump some money.

Lakers offered him 2 guaranteed years also. Really feel like it was a non basketball decision to go back to Texas.

If Luka and him good friends, he had to feel like Texas was just overall better for his family at the same money.

[K_chile22]

Don’t think DFS wanted to be in LA for the same money.

Might just like Texas better.

Lakers couldn’t front load him an offer without getting rid of some dead weight.

Yeah, can’t know what he actually wanted you are right.

But I think DFS is worth the seconds it would’ve cost to dump Maxi or Vincent (or whoever) if the team wasn’t willing to spend to keep them all for a year.

Sadly lakers only got one second and it’s 2032. I was hoping that they sent a pick swap to dump some money.

Lakers offered him 2 guaranteed years also. Really feel like it was a non basketball decision to go back to Texas.

If Luka and him good friends, he had to feel like Texas was just overall better for his family at the same money.

McMahon was saying negotiations didn't end on good terms, seems like they lowballed him and he was just gone?

[zimpy27]

Yeah, can’t know what he actually wanted you are right.

But I think DFS is worth the seconds it would’ve cost to dump Maxi or Vincent (or whoever) if the team wasn’t willing to spend to keep them all for a year.

Sadly lakers only got one second and it’s 2032. I was hoping that they sent a pick swap to dump some money.

Lakers offered him 2 guaranteed years also. Really feel like it was a non basketball decision to go back to Texas.

If Luka and him good friends, he had to feel like Texas was just overall better for his family at the same money.

McMahon was saying negotiations didn't end on good terms, seems like they lowballed him and he was just gone?

The offered him only 2 years.
The price per year would have been around $15m.

But only 2 years was not enough for DFS who is circling the end of his career

[nykballa2k4]

Great deal for the Rockets. Lakers really should have tried to do something more creative even if it was doing a sign and trade. Ayton walking in for free makes up for the mismanagement here, but just poor job.

It’s DFS vs ayton and the kings backup Pf

Next to Luka you need some elite defensive guards. Exum should have been a priority add over Santi.

On offense Luka, LeBron, Reeves, Ayton are going to be a handful, but you can hunt for two of those guys and if Luka looks to dribble the air out of the ball, Ayton is going to get bored and not be the defensive presence that he can be.

Of course a Reeves for 3-D wing (Wiggins) would solve a bit, but as people said in the other thread (LAC/MIA/UTA) the scoring focused guards really are dime a dozen at the moment.

[K_chile22]

Sadly lakers only got one second and it’s 2032. I was hoping that they sent a pick swap to dump some money.

Lakers offered him 2 guaranteed years also. Really feel like it was a non basketball decision to go back to Texas.

If Luka and him good friends, he had to feel like Texas was just overall better for his family at the same money.

McMahon was saying negotiations didn't end on good terms, seems like they lowballed him and he was just gone?

The offered him only 2 years.
The price per year would have been around $15m.

But only 2 years was not enough for DFS who is circling the end of his career

He only got two years guaranteed at around $12.5M per year from Houston.

[zimpy27]

McMahon was saying negotiations didn't end on good terms, seems like they lowballed him and he was just gone?

The offered him only 2 years.
The price per year would have been around $15m.

But only 2 years was not enough for DFS who is circling the end of his career

He only got two years guaranteed at around $12.5M per year from Houston.

Yeah but also 4 years.

You have to appreciate that Pelinka only knows about giving player options. I don't think he even knows how to give a non-guaranteed year.

[K_chile22]

The offered him only 2 years.
The price per year would have been around $15m.

But only 2 years was not enough for DFS who is circling the end of his career

He only got two years guaranteed at around $12.5M per year from Houston.

Yeah but also 4 years.

You have to appreciate that Pelinka only knows about giving player options. I don't think he even knows how to give a non-guaranteed year.

For him this is strictly worse than a 2 year deal. If he underperformed hed be out either way, if he over performs he's stuck on this deal, even if he just performs as expected he misses the opportunity to try to get a 3 or four year deal after

[zimpy27]

He only got two years guaranteed at around $12.5M per year from Houston.

Yeah but also 4 years.

You have to appreciate that Pelinka only knows about giving player options. I don't think he even knows how to give a non-guaranteed year.

For him this is strictly worse than a 2 year deal. If he underperformed hed be out either way, if he over performs he's stuck on this deal, even if he just performs as expected he misses the opportunity to try to get a 3 or four year deal after

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

[ThatBoyNick]

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

I think it was just a tough market, he wanted to lock in more money after a good season, he got about 10 million more guaranteed for one additional season of play. Can’t call anybody a fool for that.

[zimpy27]

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

I think it was just a tough market, he wanted to lock in more money after a good season, he got about 10 million more guaranteed for one additional season of play. Can’t call anybody a fool for that.

A lot more space next offseason. Clearly an option in was the smart move?

[BK_2020]

Yeah but also 4 years.

You have to appreciate that Pelinka only knows about giving player options. I don't think he even knows how to give a non-guaranteed year.

For him this is strictly worse than a 2 year deal. If he underperformed hed be out either way, if he over performs he's stuck on this deal, even if he just performs as expected he misses the opportunity to try to get a 3 or four year deal after

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

Basically. He could've opted in then even if he gets a minimum the season after that's the same as he ended up getting. DFS really misread his value. His agent must post here.

[K_chile22]

For him this is strictly worse than a 2 year deal. If he underperformed hed be out either way, if he over performs he's stuck on this deal, even if he just performs as expected he misses the opportunity to try to get a 3 or four year deal after

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

Basically. He could've opted in then even if he gets a minimum the season after that's the same as he ended up getting. DFS really misread his value. His agent must post here.

Well that's not true, he guaranteed himself about $25M. $16M+$3ishM minimum is not the same

[jayjaysee]

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

I think it was just a tough market, he wanted to lock in more money after a good season, he got about 10 million more guaranteed for one additional season of play. Can’t call anybody a fool for that.

A lot more space next offseason. Clearly an option in was the smart move?

Sort of only makes sense if he didn’t want to be in LA honestly..

They had to have offered him more than 2yr25. ( if they didn’t it’s malpractice?)

[BK_2020]

So DFS is the fool?

He had $16m lined up for next season that he opted out of.

Basically. He could've opted in then even if he gets a minimum the season after that's the same as he ended up getting. DFS really misread his value. His agent must post here.

Well that's not true, he guaranteed himself about $25M. $16M+$3ishM minimum is not the same

My bad, had a moment and thought only one season was guaranteed.

[zimpy27]

I think it was just a tough market, he wanted to lock in more money after a good season, he got about 10 million more guaranteed for one additional season of play. Can’t call anybody a fool for that.

A lot more space next offseason. Clearly an option in was the smart move?

Sort of only makes sense if he didn’t want to be in LA honestly..

They had to have offered him more than 2yr25. ( if they didn’t it’s malpractice?)

I heard the Lakers offered 28/2

Which fits with their offer for LaRavia being the TaxMLE. Lakers were likely looking to LaRavia and DFS as wing defense. Probably looking to trade Vando-Kleber-Rui for a starting C (Claxton likely).