(Shams) Robinson SnT to Detroit

[Godaddycurse]

miami fans made it sound like they would've dropped him for 10M guaranteed dead money to avoid the tax though (had he opted in)

Exactly, so the whole "he gave up money" take is nonsense.

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So, he would’ve gotten $10m from Miami, and then probably a good chunk of the MLE from another team? Like, possibly he could’ve gotten $25m for this year, between multiple contracts?

$15m is less than $20m and $25m. So yes, he gave up money.

I dont think he would've gotten more than kennards deal

[DetroitSho]

miami fans made it sound like they would've dropped him for 10M guaranteed dead money to avoid the tax though (had he opted in)

Exactly, so the whole "he gave up money" take is nonsense.

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So, he would’ve gotten $10m from Miami, and then probably a good chunk of the MLE from another team? Like, possibly he could’ve gotten $25m for this year, between multiple contracts?

$15m is less than $20m and $25m. So yes, he gave up money.

At this point, you're pulling stuff from your a** to not admit being wrong.

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[gom]

I think Detroit and the Pistons fans will be pleasantly surprised by this business. Robinson is a good player, more versatile than you might expect, and the salary isn't bad. Well done. I wish the Heat could have kept him, but Miami is not competing and should not be over the luxury tax.

[tmorgan]

If you can handle a bit and shoot (Kennard) or can really shoot off movement (DR), there’s a reasonably well-paid spot for you in the league.

(especially if you aren’t a small guard)

[Scoot McGroot]

Exactly, so the whole "he gave up money" take is nonsense.

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So, he would’ve gotten $10m from Miami, and then probably a good chunk of the MLE from another team? Like, possibly he could’ve gotten $25m for this year, between multiple contracts?

$15m is less than $20m and $25m. So yes, he gave up money.

At this point, you're pulling stuff from your a** to not admit being wrong.

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What? I’m replying verbatim to questions raised? And we don’t know until his contract is filed after the moratorium, but he gave up $10m gtd this year, and a possibility of $20m for a new contract that is one year fully gtd and 2nd year reportedly partially gtd, with a contract that likely starts at $15m, if it’s structured with standard raises. If the 2nd year is half gtd, that would mean he would have $22m to make over this season and next.

Obviously the guarantees matter. But he opted out of a gtd $10m, which would have allowed him to sign another contract for this year, to take a contract which gtd $15m for this year. And if he didn’t opt out, it’s very possible he would have been kept on his $20m contract. I don’t see why it’s wrong to point out he likely gave up some money here.

[DetroitSho]

So, he would’ve gotten $10m from Miami, and then probably a good chunk of the MLE from another team? Like, possibly he could’ve gotten $25m for this year, between multiple contracts?

$15m is less than $20m and $25m. So yes, he gave up money.

At this point, you're pulling stuff from your a** to not admit being wrong.

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What? I’m replying verbatim to questions raised? And we don’t know until his contract is filed after the moratorium, but he gave up $10m gtd this year, and a possibility of $20m for a new contract that is one year fully gtd and 2nd year reportedly partially gtd, with a contract that likely starts at $15m, if it’s structured with standard raises. If the 2nd year is half gtd, that would mean he would have $22m to make over this season and next.

Obviously the guarantees matter. But he opted out of a gtd $10m, which would have allowed him to sign another contract for this year, to take a contract which gtd $15m for this year. And if he didn’t opt out, it’s very possible he would have been kept on his $20m contract. I don’t see why it’s wrong to point out he likely gave up some money here.

Because you're ignoring context and you're answering your own question but somehow ignoring the answer you're providing. You're right, if Duncan Robinson is guaranteed $20 million in any given season, it makes no sense for him to opt out of it. You, I, and everyone agree to that.

What you keep glossing over is why would he opt out of $20 million. At this point, you would have to use logic based off years of being a basketball fan and make the educated assumption that Miami was going to waive him, which is backed up by Miami fans' accounts. So, $20 million for one year of basketball doesn't exist for him under his Miami contract.

If Miami comes to him and tells him we are going to waive you but there's a way to still (VERY LIKELY) get your $20 million for one year of basketball (and a rotation spot with alot of shots you wouldn't get here), exactly what money is he giving back?

The mistake you're making is you're assigning him value in the open market that he doesn't have. You think he could've just went and gotten $15 million next year to add to his $10 million in dead money, and that's not true. Hell, if it wasn't for the "creative financing" Miami and Detroit worked out, Detroit themselves wouldn't have given Duncan $15 million on the open market. Being able to dump an $8 million contract in the process makes paying him $15 million way more palatable. The difference between those numbers, $7 million, is probably more in line of what he may have gotten out there in the open market.

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[Scoot McGroot]

At this point, you're pulling stuff from your a** to not admit being wrong.

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What? I’m replying verbatim to questions raised? And we don’t know until his contract is filed after the moratorium, but he gave up $10m gtd this year, and a possibility of $20m for a new contract that is one year fully gtd and 2nd year reportedly partially gtd, with a contract that likely starts at $15m, if it’s structured with standard raises. If the 2nd year is half gtd, that would mean he would have $22m to make over this season and next.

Obviously the guarantees matter. But he opted out of a gtd $10m, which would have allowed him to sign another contract for this year, to take a contract which gtd $15m for this year. And if he didn’t opt out, it’s very possible he would have been kept on his $20m contract. I don’t see why it’s wrong to point out he likely gave up some money here.

Because you're ignoring context and you're answering your own question but somehow ignoring the answer you're providing. You're right, if Duncan Robinson is guaranteed $20 million in any given season, it makes no sense for him to opt out of it. You, I, and everyone agree to that.

What you keep glossing over is why would he opt out of $20 million. At this point, you would have to use logic based off years of being a basketball fan and make the educated assumption that Miami was going to waive him, which is backed up by Miami fans' accounts. So, $20 million for one year of basketball doesn't exist for him under his Miami contract.

If Miami comes to him and tells him we are going to waive you but there's a way to still (VERY LIKELY) get your $20 million for one year of basketball (and a rotation spot with alot of shots you wouldn't get here), exactly what money is he giving back?

The mistake you're making is you're assigning him value in the open market that he doesn't have. You think he could've just went and gotten $15 million next year to add to his $10 million in dead money, and that's not true. Hell, if it wasn't for the "creative financing" Miami and Detroit worked out, Detroit themselves wouldn't have given Duncan $15 million on the open market. Being able to dump an $8 million contract in the process makes paying him $15 million way more palatable. The difference between those numbers, $7 million, is probably more in line of what he may have gotten out there in the open market.

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If Miami had waived him, he was to be paid $10m to walk away from Miami. And then he could’ve signed a new contract elsewhere immediately. What are we disregarding he would’ve had a chance for both? He clearly had value int his market. He signed for $15m. He could have had $10m from Miami, too, in theory.

[DetroitSho]

What? I’m replying verbatim to questions raised? And we don’t know until his contract is filed after the moratorium, but he gave up $10m gtd this year, and a possibility of $20m for a new contract that is one year fully gtd and 2nd year reportedly partially gtd, with a contract that likely starts at $15m, if it’s structured with standard raises. If the 2nd year is half gtd, that would mean he would have $22m to make over this season and next.

Obviously the guarantees matter. But he opted out of a gtd $10m, which would have allowed him to sign another contract for this year, to take a contract which gtd $15m for this year. And if he didn’t opt out, it’s very possible he would have been kept on his $20m contract. I don’t see why it’s wrong to point out he likely gave up some money here.

Because you're ignoring context and you're answering your own question but somehow ignoring the answer you're providing. You're right, if Duncan Robinson is guaranteed $20 million in any given season, it makes no sense for him to opt out of it. You, I, and everyone agree to that.

What you keep glossing over is why would he opt out of $20 million. At this point, you would have to use logic based off years of being a basketball fan and make the educated assumption that Miami was going to waive him, which is backed up by Miami fans' accounts. So, $20 million for one year of basketball doesn't exist for him under his Miami contract.

If Miami comes to him and tells him we are going to waive you but there's a way to still (VERY LIKELY) get your $20 million for one year of basketball (and a rotation spot with alot of shots you wouldn't get here), exactly what money is he giving back?

The mistake you're making is you're assigning him value in the open market that he doesn't have. You think he could've just went and gotten $15 million next year to add to his $10 million in dead money, and that's not true. Hell, if it wasn't for the "creative financing" Miami and Detroit worked out, Detroit themselves wouldn't have given Duncan $15 million on the open market. Being able to dump an $8 million contract in the process makes paying him $15 million way more palatable. The difference between those numbers, $7 million, is probably more in line of what he may have gotten out there in the open market.

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If Miami had waived him, he was to be paid $10m to walk away from Miami. And then he could’ve signed a new contract elsewhere immediately. What are we disregarding he would’ve had a chance for both? He clearly had value int his market. He signed for $15m. He could have had $10m from Miami, too, in theory.

You first argued him opting out from $20 million meant he walked away from money, when that $20 million option wasn't even going to be an option (no pun intended) for him, by accounts.

Now you're trying to argue that he walked away from money because his cumulative earnings between his $10 million buyout and what he would've gotten on the open market for salary this year could've been in the $25 million range. That's beyond absurd.

It's all speculation but the general leap in logic is that between his guaranteed salary this upcoming season with the Pistons plus his buyout for the following season AT LEAST totals the $20 million he had remaining on the Miami contract and likely even exceeds it, even if by just 1 million.

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[Texas Chuck]

A lot of aggression here against things that are reasonable. Odd.

You seem convinced that the only option for Robinson had he picked up his player option is that Miami cuts him and he gets that $10M. I strongly disagree. Miami doesn't want $10M dead on the books, so they would certainly have at least explored options of trading him instead.

But okay that doesn't happen and they cut him. Luke Kennard just signed a 1/$11M deal. Robinson couldn't get that? Really? We are sure?

I can't state categorically how much money Robinson might could have gotten this year, but the idea that it added up to $20M or more is not remotely far-fetched. Certainly not enough for all the insulting commentary itt. Wild.

[Scoot McGroot]

Because you're ignoring context and you're answering your own question but somehow ignoring the answer you're providing. You're right, if Duncan Robinson is guaranteed $20 million in any given season, it makes no sense for him to opt out of it. You, I, and everyone agree to that.

What you keep glossing over is why would he opt out of $20 million. At this point, you would have to use logic based off years of being a basketball fan and make the educated assumption that Miami was going to waive him, which is backed up by Miami fans' accounts. So, $20 million for one year of basketball doesn't exist for him under his Miami contract.

If Miami comes to him and tells him we are going to waive you but there's a way to still (VERY LIKELY) get your $20 million for one year of basketball (and a rotation spot with alot of shots you wouldn't get here), exactly what money is he giving back?

The mistake you're making is you're assigning him value in the open market that he doesn't have. You think he could've just went and gotten $15 million next year to add to his $10 million in dead money, and that's not true. Hell, if it wasn't for the "creative financing" Miami and Detroit worked out, Detroit themselves wouldn't have given Duncan $15 million on the open market. Being able to dump an $8 million contract in the process makes paying him $15 million way more palatable. The difference between those numbers, $7 million, is probably more in line of what he may have gotten out there in the open market.

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If Miami had waived him, he was to be paid $10m to walk away from Miami. And then he could’ve signed a new contract elsewhere immediately. What are we disregarding he would’ve had a chance for both? He clearly had value int his market. He signed for $15m. He could have had $10m from Miami, too, in theory.

You first argued him opting out from $20 million meant he walked away from money, when that $20 million option wasn't even going to be an option (no pun intended) for him, by accounts.

I believe I covered multiple bases, including that he could have been waived, but still gotten his $10m payout, and also then a new contract, which when combined, likely could have been more than just the $15m payout he’s getting instead by opting out?

Now you're trying to argue that he walked away from money because his cumulative earnings between his $10 million buyout and what he would've gotten on the open market for salary this year could've been in the $25 million range. That's beyond absurd.

Yeah, I think you completely misunderstood. Which is understandable, because I sometimes ramble when I type. Because I think it’s understandable that if he had been waived by Miami, he would’ve gotten his $10m payout AND THEN also gotten to sign a new deal to play elsewhere this season. He got nearly $15m from Detroit for this year. I would assume a similar offer, or at least $10m would have been attainable if he was waived closer to his July 7 guarantee date?

It's all speculation but the general leap in logic is that between his guaranteed salary this upcoming season with the Pistons plus his buyout for the following season AT LEAST totals the $20 million he had remaining on the Miami contract and likely even exceeds it, even if by just 1 million.

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Miami buyout path:
$10m + new contract for 2025/26 and then 2026/27 years
This path could have allowed for a similar contract among from Detroit that he got anyway.

Miami keeping plan:
Rather than commit $10m in dead money to their books, Miami may have kept him at $20m

Current path opting out of Miami:
$15m from Detroit for 25/26
Some partial guarantee amount from Detroit plus new contract signed elsewhere for 26/27 and going forward


The opting out plan requires 2 years to make as much money as he would’ve made in one year in getting waived by Miami. And we have to see what his 26/27 partial guarantee is before we can determine if opting out made him as much money as opting into Miami and hoping to have been kept.


I apologize for any feeling of frustration toward me, but I’m truly not trying to pick a fight. I just see the opt out and signing in Detroit as fiscally the option that may have made him the least money. And that’s ok. No harm to Detroit (they get their guy!). And no harm to Miami (they save their money!). And no harm to Robinson (he got to where he apparently wants to be!).

[DetroitSho]

A lot of aggression here against things that are reasonable. Odd.

You seem convinced that the only option for Robinson had he picked up his player option is that Miami cuts him and he gets that $10M. I strongly disagree. Miami doesn't want $10M dead on the books, so they would certainly have at least explored options of trading him instead.

But okay that doesn't happen and they cut him. Luke Kennard just signed a 1/$11M deal. Robinson couldn't get that? Really? We are sure?

I can't state categorically how much money Robinson might could have gotten this year, but the idea that it added up to $20M or more is not remotely far-fetched. Certainly not enough for all the insulting commentary itt. Wild.

Is this directed at me? Tf? Anyway, pretty sure I just addressed your scenario in my post by saying his 2025-26 salary + his 2026-27 buyout MAY exceed the $20 million which gave him the incentive not to call Miami's bluff on waiving him. So yeah, the $10 million buyout + a Kennard type deal comes to the same $21 million that he may or may not have already secured.

But let's go further. Who else would've had the ability and willingness to pay him on the market had he been waived? What if after Kennard gets his deal, there was only an $8 million or $7 million offer out there? Look, we're not going to know anything for sure until the numbers come out on that partial guarantee. The initial argument of giving up money was discussed in a factual way and not speculative. That was my issue.

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[DetroitSho]

If Miami had waived him, he was to be paid $10m to walk away from Miami. And then he could’ve signed a new contract elsewhere immediately. What are we disregarding he would’ve had a chance for both? He clearly had value int his market. He signed for $15m. He could have had $10m from Miami, too, in theory.

You first argued him opting out from $20 million meant he walked away from money, when that $20 million option wasn't even going to be an option (no pun intended) for him, by accounts.

I believe I covered multiple bases, including that he could have been waived, but still gotten his $10m payout, and also then a new contract, which when combined, likely could have been more than just the $15m payout he’s getting instead by opting out?

Now you're trying to argue that he walked away from money because his cumulative earnings between his $10 million buyout and what he would've gotten on the open market for salary this year could've been in the $25 million range. That's beyond absurd.

Yeah, I think you completely misunderstood. Which is understandable, because I sometimes ramble when I type. Because I think it’s understandable that if he had been waived by Miami, he would’ve gotten his $10m payout AND THEN also gotten to sign a new deal to play elsewhere this season. He got nearly $15m from Detroit for this year. I would assume a similar offer, or at least $10m would have been attainable if he was waived closer to his July 7 guarantee date?

It's all speculation but the general leap in logic is that between his guaranteed salary this upcoming season with the Pistons plus his buyout for the following season AT LEAST totals the $20 million he had remaining on the Miami contract and likely even exceeds it, even if by just 1 million.

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Miami buyout path:
$10m + new contract for 2025/26 and then 2026/27 years
This path could have allowed for a similar contract among from Detroit that he got anyway.

Miami keeping plan:
Rather than commit $10m in dead money to their books, Miami may have kept him at $20m

Current path opting out of Miami:
$15m from Detroit for 25/26
Some partial guarantee amount from Detroit plus new contract signed elsewhere for 26/27 and going forward


The opting out plan requires 2 years to make as much money as he would’ve made in one year in getting waived by Miami. And we have to see what his 26/27 partial guarantee is before we can determine if opting out made him as much money as opting into Miami and hoping to have been kept.


I apologize for any feeling of frustration toward me, but I’m truly not trying to pick a fight. I just see the opt out and signing in Detroit as fiscally the option that may have made him the least money. And that’s ok. No harm to Detroit (they get their guy!). And no harm to Miami (they save their money!). And no harm to Robinson (he got to where he apparently wants to be!).

Look, ain't no hard feelings, it's all good. I covered most of this in the post above. But what I still don't get is your stating it would take him 2 years to make up for it when he has his first year guarantee and his buyout, and it will only take one year of basketball to secure it.

Two things being speculated: his buyout amount and his potential contract he could've gotten on the market. Only one of those will ever be known for sure.

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[gom]

I'm actually happy Detroit got another player I like. Detroit is one of my favorite teams. I have watched them since the 80s. Fun af some years.

This is a season for them to take a big leap forward, and (since my most favorite team is not competing) I wish them and their fans luck.

[Scoot McGroot]

You first argued him opting out from $20 million meant he walked away from money, when that $20 million option wasn't even going to be an option (no pun intended) for him, by accounts.

I believe I covered multiple bases, including that he could have been waived, but still gotten his $10m payout, and also then a new contract, which when combined, likely could have been more than just the $15m payout he’s getting instead by opting out?

Now you're trying to argue that he walked away from money because his cumulative earnings between his $10 million buyout and what he would've gotten on the open market for salary this year could've been in the $25 million range. That's beyond absurd.

Yeah, I think you completely misunderstood. Which is understandable, because I sometimes ramble when I type. Because I think it’s understandable that if he had been waived by Miami, he would’ve gotten his $10m payout AND THEN also gotten to sign a new deal to play elsewhere this season. He got nearly $15m from Detroit for this year. I would assume a similar offer, or at least $10m would have been attainable if he was waived closer to his July 7 guarantee date?

It's all speculation but the general leap in logic is that between his guaranteed salary this upcoming season with the Pistons plus his buyout for the following season AT LEAST totals the $20 million he had remaining on the Miami contract and likely even exceeds it, even if by just 1 million.

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Miami buyout path:
$10m + new contract for 2025/26 and then 2026/27 years
This path could have allowed for a similar contract among from Detroit that he got anyway.

Miami keeping plan:
Rather than commit $10m in dead money to their books, Miami may have kept him at $20m

Current path opting out of Miami:
$15m from Detroit for 25/26
Some partial guarantee amount from Detroit plus new contract signed elsewhere for 26/27 and going forward


The opting out plan requires 2 years to make as much money as he would’ve made in one year in getting waived by Miami. And we have to see what his 26/27 partial guarantee is before we can determine if opting out made him as much money as opting into Miami and hoping to have been kept.


I apologize for any feeling of frustration toward me, but I’m truly not trying to pick a fight. I just see the opt out and signing in Detroit as fiscally the option that may have made him the least money. And that’s ok. No harm to Detroit (they get their guy!). And no harm to Miami (they save their money!). And no harm to Robinson (he got to where he apparently wants to be!).

Look, ain't no hard feelings, it's all good. I covered most of this in the post above. But what I still don't get is your stating it would take him 2 years to make up for it when he has his first year guarantee and his buyout, and it will only take one year of basketball to secure it.

Two things being speculated: his buyout amount and his potential contract he could've gotten on the market. Only one of those will ever be known for sure.

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Sure. Our difference seems to be that his Miami buyout AND any new contract signed elsewhere (like in Detroit) would have all been paid out this year. However, the Detroit deal pays the new salary this year, and any possible buyout next season (then with any new contract added on).

However, it’s also possible that if he had opted in this season, he could have had the Miami buyout now, the new Detroit salary now, AND the Detroit buyout next year. Essentially, it’s possible he could have had the entire same Detroit deal he has right now, but WITH the Miami $10m buyout on top.

But, totally with you. No hard feelings here. Consider this a “dap it up and move along”.

[DetroitSho]

I believe I covered multiple bases, including that he could have been waived, but still gotten his $10m payout, and also then a new contract, which when combined, likely could have been more than just the $15m payout he’s getting instead by opting out?



Yeah, I think you completely misunderstood. Which is understandable, because I sometimes ramble when I type. Because I think it’s understandable that if he had been waived by Miami, he would’ve gotten his $10m payout AND THEN also gotten to sign a new deal to play elsewhere this season. He got nearly $15m from Detroit for this year. I would assume a similar offer, or at least $10m would have been attainable if he was waived closer to his July 7 guarantee date?




Miami buyout path:
$10m + new contract for 2025/26 and then 2026/27 years
This path could have allowed for a similar contract among from Detroit that he got anyway.

Miami keeping plan:
Rather than commit $10m in dead money to their books, Miami may have kept him at $20m

Current path opting out of Miami:
$15m from Detroit for 25/26
Some partial guarantee amount from Detroit plus new contract signed elsewhere for 26/27 and going forward


The opting out plan requires 2 years to make as much money as he would’ve made in one year in getting waived by Miami. And we have to see what his 26/27 partial guarantee is before we can determine if opting out made him as much money as opting into Miami and hoping to have been kept.


I apologize for any feeling of frustration toward me, but I’m truly not trying to pick a fight. I just see the opt out and signing in Detroit as fiscally the option that may have made him the least money. And that’s ok. No harm to Detroit (they get their guy!). And no harm to Miami (they save their money!). And no harm to Robinson (he got to where he apparently wants to be!).

Look, ain't no hard feelings, it's all good. I covered most of this in the post above. But what I still don't get is your stating it would take him 2 years to make up for it when he has his first year guarantee and his buyout, and it will only take one year of basketball to secure it.

Two things being speculated: his buyout amount and his potential contract he could've gotten on the market. Only one of those will ever be known for sure.

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Sure. Our difference seems to be that his Miami buyout AND any new contract signed elsewhere (like in Detroit) would have all been paid out this year. However, the Detroit deal pays the new salary this year, and any possible buyout next season (then with any new contract added on).

However, it’s also possible that if he had opted in this season, he could have had the Miami buyout now, the new Detroit salary now, AND the Detroit buyout next year. Essentially, it’s possible he could have had the entire same Detroit deal he has right now, but WITH the Miami $10m buyout on top.

But, totally with you. No hard feelings here. Consider this a “dap it up and move along”.

And so THERE'S our gulf in thinking. There's no way he gets the same deal from the Pistons if he was bought out and on the open market. They couldn't even do that deal after already having paid Levert. This only happened this way because of the sign and trade. Some creative people got into a room and worked out a win-win-win situation for 3 different parties.

Just to be clear, there is no option of, "get buyout from Miami and also get $15 million this year from Detroit". Also, you're kinda hung up on when he'd be receiving his 2nd year buyout if Detroit waives him after this year. I'm only looking at he'd get his $15 mil + his buyout (speculating $5 million) after one season of basketball, the same as he would've on an opted in Miami contract.

I mean, unless you're worried he's going to die in like next May and wouldn't ever see the Detroit buyout money so it would be better to opt in and get the $20 million from October-April.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Look, ain't no hard feelings, it's all good. I covered most of this in the post above. But what I still don't get is your stating it would take him 2 years to make up for it when he has his first year guarantee and his buyout, and it will only take one year of basketball to secure it.

Two things being speculated: his buyout amount and his potential contract he could've gotten on the market. Only one of those will ever be known for sure.

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Sure. Our difference seems to be that his Miami buyout AND any new contract signed elsewhere (like in Detroit) would have all been paid out this year. However, the Detroit deal pays the new salary this year, and any possible buyout next season (then with any new contract added on).

However, it’s also possible that if he had opted in this season, he could have had the Miami buyout now, the new Detroit salary now, AND the Detroit buyout next year. Essentially, it’s possible he could have had the entire same Detroit deal he has right now, but WITH the Miami $10m buyout on top.

But, totally with you. No hard feelings here. Consider this a “dap it up and move along”.

And so THERE'S our gulf in thinking. There's no way he gets the same deal from the Pistons if he was bought out and on the open market. They couldn't even do that deal after already having paid Levert. This only happened this way because of the sign and trade. Some creative people got into a room and worked out a win-win-win situation for 3 different parties.

Just to be clear, there is no option of, "get buyout from Miami and also get $15 million this year from Detroit". Also, you're kinda hung up on when he'd be receiving his 2nd year buyout if Detroit waives him after this year. I'm only looking at he'd get his $15 mil + his buyout (speculating $5 million) after one season of basketball, the same as he would've on an opted in Miami contract.

I mean, unless you're worried he's going to die in like next May and wouldn't ever see the Detroit buyout money so it would be better to opt in and get the $20 million from October-April.

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They could have signed Robinson using the MLE. Hence received Levert into he sign and trade outgoing to Sacramento. Maybe it costs Detroit an extra 2nd to grease the wheels, but it’s certainly possible.

But in general, money now is worth more than money later. It’s usually a big value. Robinson could always find more money inna future year, but he can’t go back in time and add money in a previous season.

[DetroitSho]

Sure. Our difference seems to be that his Miami buyout AND any new contract signed elsewhere (like in Detroit) would have all been paid out this year. However, the Detroit deal pays the new salary this year, and any possible buyout next season (then with any new contract added on).

However, it’s also possible that if he had opted in this season, he could have had the Miami buyout now, the new Detroit salary now, AND the Detroit buyout next year. Essentially, it’s possible he could have had the entire same Detroit deal he has right now, but WITH the Miami $10m buyout on top.

But, totally with you. No hard feelings here. Consider this a “dap it up and move along”.

And so THERE'S our gulf in thinking. There's no way he gets the same deal from the Pistons if he was bought out and on the open market. They couldn't even do that deal after already having paid Levert. This only happened this way because of the sign and trade. Some creative people got into a room and worked out a win-win-win situation for 3 different parties.

Just to be clear, there is no option of, "get buyout from Miami and also get $15 million this year from Detroit". Also, you're kinda hung up on when he'd be receiving his 2nd year buyout if Detroit waives him after this year. I'm only looking at he'd get his $15 mil + his buyout (speculating $5 million) after one season of basketball, the same as he would've on an opted in Miami contract.

I mean, unless you're worried he's going to die in like next May and wouldn't ever see the Detroit buyout money so it would be better to opt in and get the $20 million from October-April.

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They could have signed Robinson using the MLE. Hence received Levert into he sign and trade outgoing to Sacramento. Maybe it costs Detroit an extra 2nd to grease the wheels, but it’s certainly possible.

But in general, money now is worth more than money later. It’s usually a big value. Robinson could always find more money inna future year, but he can’t go back in time and add money in a previous season.

Aiight bruh, so about that "dap and move on"........you were saying?

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[theBigLip]

Are we done w the pissing match?

So, is this going to be a S&T or not? Expected this to be done today.

[daoneandonly]

Are we done w the pissing match?

So, is this going to be a S&T or not? Expected this to be done today.

Thought it was official. But if not, Nico should be the snake he is and offer Detroit Klay for Simone

[DetroitSho]

Are we done w the pissing match?

So, is this going to be a S&T or not? Expected this to be done today.

Your first sentence was EXTREMELY necessary.

/s

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