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[Canadafan]

I don’t really understand Monk in Det. And dont understand another guard being traded and Dallas sitting with all these forwards..

Carter was a really good prospect before his injury and I think is worth giving a shot. Especially as the return for just a sign and trade.

Ya detroit needs to get PJ Washington somehow. He'd be perfect for us. Instead of Monk. Dallas gets Monk

[DonaldSanders]

I don't like the Carter/Saric deal at all. The Warriors need someone ready to play now, I'm keeping Kuminga vs. this deal and wait to see if a better deal materializes once salaries can be matched during the season. JK is perfect for the nights Steph or Jimmy need a night off, which there likely will be if we want to avoid how worn out they were by the end of season push.

I'm not saying Carter doesn't have potential, but the Warriors are win now and need specifically what Carter is bad at... 3 point shooting. Last season we had one of the best defenses in the league since the Jimmy trade and generated open 3 point looks that were just not hit. Steph and Jimmy got players open over and over, but didn't have the right guys to convert those looks.

Sure Carter was hurt last year, but we have his college stats which was 33.8% from 3, so I don't anticipate much shooting upside. Another good defender who can't shoot, which is not what the Warriors need.

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The Kings have made it very obvious that they want Jonathan Kuminga.

However, the Warriors, I’m told, have zero interest in seeing their young forward go to their rival.

There doesn’t appear to be a plausible path, at this time, for a S&T resulting in Kuminga to Sacramento.

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If this reporter is right it’s hilarious. GS has four championships and will be better than Sac next year again…but they are this level of petty or scared of trading to their “rival.” Lol If this isn’t posturing it’s embarrassing for GS.

This Siegel guy consistently makes things up about the Warriors. I would give him 0 credit, he just throws stuff out there and hopes people forget when he's wrong/making stuff up. I'm surprised he still gets so much press.

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah the roster fit there just makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I do not understand Dallas wanted to go in so top heavy in general with the guard play being near bottom of league until Kyrie gets back..

From Dallas POV, I think they know AD will miss time, what better replacement than PJ? PJ is also the best option for when they want to go "small" (LOL) in the playoffs. This is a team with finals aspirations, and I think there's a far clearer role for PJ than Monk.

AD - PJ - Flagg - Klay/Naji/Christie - Kyrie is probably their closing lineup

I agree completely with all this except the finals aspirations.. I think KD was the only player around that could make this team (without trading Flagg) a true contender with the assets Dallas has.. Now if LBJ does actually ask out, Dallas’ limited assets could be enough and maybe playing with AD/Kyrie would be good enough for LBJ.

But in general - if AD is planning to be a 15-20mpg center.. your third string center doesn’t have to be Gafford or Lively. You can downgrade to Richards or Jalen or Jonas or etc and upgrade where you need it… That Klay/Naji/Christie spot..

I guess im higher on Dallas than you. Wouldn't be in my favorites category but right below it. Healthy kyrie/AD is really good. Dallas has elite depth. X factor will be how nba ready flagg is. I love him comparing himself to kawhi. If hes young kawhi Dallas can for sure do it.

[vege]

This makes no sense for Detroit after we alread added LeVert and Duncan Robinson. We would be adding talent for the sake of it. And I agree with what was said, I do not like guards that are inneficient scorers and play no defense. We alread have Ivey, who's improving both on efficiency and defense Monk is who he is, very talented and super fun to watch but not a positive player.

[vege]

I don’t really understand Monk in Det. And dont understand another guard being traded and Dallas sitting with all these forwards..

Carter was a really good prospect before his injury and I think is worth giving a shot. Especially as the return for just a sign and trade.

Ya detroit needs to get PJ Washington somehow. He'd be perfect for us. Instead of Monk. Dallas gets Monk

That would be perfect. I'd be fine even if all we get is Trey Lyles to be honest. We don't need Monk and we don't have minutes for him.

[Kalamazoo317]

This makes no sense for Detroit after we alread added LeVert and Duncan Robinson. We would be adding talent for the sake of it. And I agree with what was said, I do not like guards that are inneficient scorers and play no defense. We alread have Ivey, who's improving both on efficiency and defense Monk is who he is, very talented and super fun to watch but not a positive player.

I think it'd just mean Robinson spent his time primarily as the back up three and did some spot back up time at the 4. He's basically the same size as Fontecchio.

[SNPA]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

[NW]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

Doubt that matters. Horford’s money is pretty much set and it’s not like the Kings have a big to put in the deal if he opts for retirement.

Comes down to the offer getting upped. Saric, Carter and two 2nds won’t do it. Warriors will take their chances with Kuminga over that

[SNPA]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

Doubt that matters. Horford’s money is pretty much set and it’s not like the Kings have a big to put in the deal if he opts for retirement.

Comes down to the offer getting upped. Saric, Carter and two 2nds won’t do it. Warriors will take their chances with Kuminga over that

Is GS ever going to pay him? If not, his trade value gets worse if he takes the QO. Then he is bound for FA and teams will value him as a rental. GS could end up with less than Sac’s offer or even nothing. If GS does decide to pay the tax on him, then he is under a bigger contract and his trade value diminishes.

[NW]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

Doubt that matters. Horford’s money is pretty much set and it’s not like the Kings have a big to put in the deal if he opts for retirement.

Comes down to the offer getting upped. Saric, Carter and two 2nds won’t do it. Warriors will take their chances with Kuminga over that

Is GS ever going to pay him? If not, his trade value gets worse if he takes the QO. Then he is bound for FA and teams will value him as a rental. GS could end up with less than Sac’s offer or even nothing. If GS does decide to pay the tax on him, then he is under a bigger contract and his trade value diminishes.

Chances of him gambling on the QO is slim by all reports. More likely he does a 2+1 year deal. Will still have value with that.

[SNPA]

Doubt that matters. Horford’s money is pretty much set and it’s not like the Kings have a big to put in the deal if he opts for retirement.

Comes down to the offer getting upped. Saric, Carter and two 2nds won’t do it. Warriors will take their chances with Kuminga over that

Is GS ever going to pay him? If not, his trade value gets worse if he takes the QO. Then he is bound for FA and teams will value him as a rental. GS could end up with less than Sac’s offer or even nothing. If GS does decide to pay the tax on him, then he is under a bigger contract and his trade value diminishes.

Chances of him gambling on the QO is slim by all reports. More likely he does a 2+1 year deal. Will still have value with that.

At what number?

And if they can agree on a number and structure that puts GS in the mode of having to play him to keep his trade value up.

[NW]

Is GS ever going to pay him? If not, his trade value gets worse if he takes the QO. Then he is bound for FA and teams will value him as a rental. GS could end up with less than Sac’s offer or even nothing. If GS does decide to pay the tax on him, then he is under a bigger contract and his trade value diminishes.

Chances of him gambling on the QO is slim by all reports. More likely he does a 2+1 year deal. Will still have value with that.

At what number?

And if they can agree on a number and structure that puts GS in the mode of having to play him to keep his trade value up.

Number should be reasonable considering the lack of options and I think finding minutes for him will be easier than taking a weak return in a S&T deal.

[DonaldSanders]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html

This whole trade idea may in fact just be a rumor. Not that the Kings might not have interest, but the particular players and 3 team aspect. At this point it's a "who knows" to me.

[SNPA]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html

This whole trade idea may in fact just be a rumor. Not that the Kings might not have interest, but the particular players and 3 team aspect. At this point it's a "who knows" to me.

This is mixing up two things. The reports are the Detroit part was never involved in the GS part. But the GS part was/is real.

[Lenneth]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html

This whole trade idea may in fact just be a rumor. Not that the Kings might not have interest, but the particular players and 3 team aspect. At this point it's a "who knows" to me.

Things didn't make sense from the beginning, because the combined salary of Saric and Carter is only 10 mils, and Kuminga's first year's salary probably will be close to 20 mils. Val is already traded, and they won't include Murray, so Kings don't have extra salary to match, and I don't believe they have a cap space to absorb Kuminga's contract. Warriors likely won't want to fill two roster slots with unplayable 10 mils trade fillers either, and this trade + filling out the rest of the roster probably would put Warriors over the first apron. I don't think Warriors are going over to the first apron for Carter/Saric, and they would rather let Kuminga go for free.

[tmorgan]

To those thinking Detroit could be in it to get a “tradable contract”:

It’s highly debatable whether Monk on a 3/60 is such a contract. As his role and volume increased last year, his efficiency went down. He’s getting paid like a (lower tier) starter, which he just was, but wouldn’t be in Detroit.

Monk’s never been known as a defender, but rather an athlete that can shoot and dunk. You know who that sounds like? Ivey, in his current form. In other words, we have limited minutes for Monk and we could have trouble moving his contract even as filler. That cut in minutes might further reduce his trade value.

If we could make Schroder a S&T and get a TPE, that’d be cool. Looks like it’d be big enough to take on PJ Washington if we can find value that Dallas wants down the line.

More likely, the short term move is to use all or part of the BAE and pick up another PF type.

[vege]

This makes no sense for Detroit after we alread added LeVert and Duncan Robinson. We would be adding talent for the sake of it. And I agree with what was said, I do not like guards that are inneficient scorers and play no defense. We alread have Ivey, who's improving both on efficiency and defense Monk is who he is, very talented and super fun to watch but not a positive player.

I think it'd just mean Robinson spent his time primarily as the back up three and did some spot back up time at the 4. He's basically the same size as Fontecchio.

Robinson is Beasley's replacement. He will play the same role Beasley played, and his defense is awful. Bryce have a great video breakdown explaining why Robinson's defense is bad. He lacks athleticism and strength.

https://substack.com/@motorcityhoops?

Ausar and Ron are going to play SF. Ron should be getting 20ish mpg next season, Ausar probably 25+, not a lot of minutes at the SF.

[Kalamazoo317]

This makes no sense for Detroit after we alread added LeVert and Duncan Robinson. We would be adding talent for the sake of it. And I agree with what was said, I do not like guards that are inneficient scorers and play no defense. We alread have Ivey, who's improving both on efficiency and defense Monk is who he is, very talented and super fun to watch but not a positive player.

I think it'd just mean Robinson spent his time primarily as the back up three and did some spot back up time at the 4. He's basically the same size as Fontecchio.

Robinson is Beasley's replacement. He will play the same role Beasley played, and his defense is awful. Bryce have a great video breakdown explaining why Robinson's defense is bad. He lacks athleticism and strength.

https://substack.com/@motorcityhoops?

Ausar and Ron are going to play SF. Ron should be getting 20ish mpg next season, Ausar probably 25+, not a lot of minutes at the SF.

Duncan Robinson is 3 inches taller than Beasley and 15 pounds heavier than Tech (who is only an inch taller than Robinson). If we obtained Monk, there would be zero reason to pidgeon-hole Robinson at the two. Optionality is the keyword of the offseason.

[vege]

I think it'd just mean Robinson spent his time primarily as the back up three and did some spot back up time at the 4. He's basically the same size as Fontecchio.

Robinson is Beasley's replacement. He will play the same role Beasley played, and his defense is awful. Bryce have a great video breakdown explaining why Robinson's defense is bad. He lacks athleticism and strength.

https://substack.com/@motorcityhoops?

Ausar and Ron are going to play SF. Ron should be getting 20ish mpg next season, Ausar probably 25+, not a lot of minutes at the SF.

Duncan Robinson is 3 inches taller than Beasley and 15 pounds heavier than Tech (who is only an inch taller than Robinson). If we obtained Monk, there would be zero reason to pidgeon-hole Robinson at the two. Optionality is the keyword of the offseason.

Heavier and taller means nothing, he is less Athletic and phisically weaker and that does matter, just click the link and watch the video.

There are no minutes at the 1/2/3 for Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Ron/LeVert/Ronbinson AND Monk.

Duren 28 Stew 20
Tobias 30 Ausar 18
Ausar 7 Ron 20 LeVert 21
Ivey 22 Robinson 26
Cade 34 Ivey 8 LeVert 6

This is how I see the minutes right now. If you add 25ish minutes for Monk, who is losing minutes?

Cade 34
Tobias 30
Ivey 30
Duren 28
LeVert 27
Robinson 26
Ausar 25
Ron 20
Stew 20

[tmorgan]

Robinson is Beasley's replacement. He will play the same role Beasley played, and his defense is awful. Bryce have a great video breakdown explaining why Robinson's defense is bad. He lacks athleticism and strength.

https://substack.com/@motorcityhoops?

Ausar and Ron are going to play SF. Ron should be getting 20ish mpg next season, Ausar probably 25+, not a lot of minutes at the SF.

Duncan Robinson is 3 inches taller than Beasley and 15 pounds heavier than Tech (who is only an inch taller than Robinson). If we obtained Monk, there would be zero reason to pidgeon-hole Robinson at the two. Optionality is the keyword of the offseason.

Heavier and taller means nothing, he is less Athletic and phisically weaker and that does matter, just click the link and watch the video.

There are no minutes at the 1/2/3 for Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Ron/LeVert/Ronbinson AND Monk.

Duren 28 Stew 20
Tobias 30 Ausar 18
Ausar 7 Ron 20 LeVert 21
Ivey 22 Robinson 26
Cade 34 Ivey 8 LeVert 6

This is how I see the minutes right now. If you add 25ish minutes for Monk, who is losing minutes?

Cade 34
Tobias 30
Ivey 30
Duren 28
LeVert 27
Robinson 26
Ausar 25
Ron 20
Stew 20

100%. And that’s without playing Sasser (who deserves minutes somewhere and should be dealt for a vet PG) and without playing Lanier (who seems destined for a full year in the G-Lesgue but is an old draftee, so that sucks for him).

If he’s willing to accept a very low minutes true mentor role, I’d love to get Chris Paul.