What's the hold up on the Wiggins to Lakers trade?

[Scoot McGroot]

This isn't an extra requirement. This is our requirement. Why would LA expect Miami to go into the tax to get worse? It's not logical. And the fix is so simple. Miami just includes two ends of the bench salaries like Johnson and Dru Smith. We take on a few extra dollars but I don't think it's enough to put us back in the tax.

I think that's more or less what Scoot is saying? Miami's price for Wiggins is a 1st plus not going into the tax. It's up to LA to decide whether, and how, to accomplish that.

Scoot's implication is that Miami would have to pay. Read the last line of his first paragraph.

My “implication” was supposed to be that SOMEONE likely has to pay. And LA and Miami, along with a 3rd team, would have to negotiate that? But usually, that those payments aren’t just added on, so much as the value determined to be the cost for the acquisition (here, Wiggins) is merely re-split. Which is why deals like this often just don’t happen. Because adding requirements and additional teams often “gums up the works”.


I promise, I have nothing personal with the Heat….they're a great organization! I’m not trying to extract anything out of Miami! Just discussing how trades and transactions often work in the league….

[BBallFreak]

I think that's more or less what Scoot is saying? Miami's price for Wiggins is a 1st plus not going into the tax. It's up to LA to decide whether, and how, to accomplish that.

Scoot's implication is that Miami would have to pay. Read the last line of his first paragraph.

My “implication” was supposed to be that SOMEONE likely has to pay. And LA and Miami, along with a 3rd team, would have to negotiate that? But usually, that those payments aren’t just added on, so much as the value determined to be the cost for the acquisition (here, Wiggins) is merely re-split. Which is why deals like this often just don’t happen. Because adding requirements and additional teams often “gums up the works”.


I promise, I have nothing personal with the Heat….they're a great organization! I’m not trying to extract anything out of Miami! Just discussing how trades and transactions often work in the league….

I never accused you of having anything against Miami. Don't put words in my mouth. I just pointed out what I felt was the implication. If I misread it, I apologize.

Again though, I don't see adding any value as a necessary concern, here. Two minor contracts from Miami solves the problem.

[Scoot McGroot]

Scoot's implication is that Miami would have to pay. Read the last line of his first paragraph.

My “implication” was supposed to be that SOMEONE likely has to pay. And LA and Miami, along with a 3rd team, would have to negotiate that? But usually, that those payments aren’t just added on, so much as the value determined to be the cost for the acquisition (here, Wiggins) is merely re-split. Which is why deals like this often just don’t happen. Because adding requirements and additional teams often “gums up the works”.


I promise, I have nothing personal with the Heat….they're a great organization! I’m not trying to extract anything out of Miami! Just discussing how trades and transactions often work in the league….

I never accused you of having anything against Miami. Don't put words in my mouth. I just pointed out what I felt was the implication. If I misread it, I apologize.

I absolutely was not attempting to put words in your mouth. I was just being as absolutely clear of my views as possible here, as, in the past on this forum, it's seemed to be a concern that has affected interactions here?

Again though, I don't see adding any value as a necessary concern, here. Two minor contracts from Miami solves the problem.

That's absolutely fine. Just requires another team taking on those two minor contracts, which may still require a 3rd team, or a payment involved somehow? I won't say from or by or to whom, just again, pointing out that adds a possible 3rd team, with their own intentions, and may require additional value shifted somehow.

[AmusingFiddle]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

^this. The hold up is a 3rd team willing to take on salary and somewhat of a back n forth on who has to give up incentive that the 3rd team wants.
Miami has to give more, to the 3rd team. I believe, this is the hold up. This trade probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

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[Karmaloop]

Imagine acquiring LeBron, AD, and Luka in a five-year span and still believing that your team is being persecuted

LeBron signed as a FA coming off a series of seasons in which the Lakers were miserable, and they paid $1.25 on the dollar for AD. But nobody wants to take about that, do they?

[BBallFreak]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

^this. The hold up is a 3rd team willing to take on salary and somewhat of a back n forth on who has to give up incentive that the 3rd team wants.
Miami has to give more, to the 3rd team. I believe, this is the hold up. This trade probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

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Oh, I don't see it happening at all under those circumstances. Why is Miami going to pay to solve the Lakers salary cap issues? We took care of our own. If they need flexibility, let them pay to get it

[the_process]

Imagine acquiring LeBron, AD, and Luka in a five-year span and still believing that your team is being persecuted

LeBron signed as a FA coming off a series of seasons in which the Lakers were miserable, and they paid $1.25 on the dollar for AD. But nobody wants to take about that, do they?

And you got Luka for .05¢ on the dollar. That's $1.30 for $2. Your team has every single built in advantage possible. Stop.

[JRoy]

Imagine acquiring LeBron, AD, and Luka in a five-year span and still believing that your team is being persecuted

LeBron signed as a FA coming off a series of seasons in which the Lakers were miserable, and they paid $1.25 on the dollar for AD. But nobody wants to take about that, do they?

Tragic!

Only 3 top 5 players in the last 10 years.

[ddavmor]

Because the Lakers think they can low ball everyone after them screwing Harrison. They aren't offering any real players in return, just the same 3 bodies. Maybe try Wiggins for Reaves with Miami sending a pick swap back. Or maybe 2 2nds considering what Reaves is going to want to get paid

[SlimShady83]

Because the Lakers think they can low ball everyone after them screwing Harrison.

It's actually the other way around in this case, Heat asking for a FRP for Wiggins is ... SRP maybe and i state maybe. But in no way is Wiggins worth, Rui/Kencht and a FRP no way convince me otherwise

I know everyone hates the Lakers and for good reasons, but in this case It's the Heat asking too much IMO. I bet y'all Wiggins doesn't recieve a FRP from any team whether the Lakers or not.

[ddavmor]

Wiggins and Reaves have the same stats except for assists for Reaves and blocks for Wiggins. Wiggins is a better defender.

[One_and_Done]

The hold up is that you have to actually pay something to get Wiggins, and the Lakers don't want to.

[RCM88x]

The hold up is Miami needs to compensate someone to take Wiggins and Riley would never do that.

[Mavrelous]

With Herro injury and Heat starting schedule, this deal will be back on the table very quick.

[SlimShady83]

With Herro injury and Heat starting schedule, this deal will be back on the table very quick.

They might hold out and just call it tank year?

[Mavrelous]

With Herro injury and Heat starting schedule, this deal will be back on the table very quick.

They might hold out and just call it tank year?

Heat wanted to be compwtetive, but they were offensively challenged before Herro injury, and are inept now, they have a tough schedule, they may raise the white flag in December.

[AmusingFiddle]

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

^this. The hold up is a 3rd team willing to take on salary and somewhat of a back n forth on who has to give up incentive that the 3rd team wants.
Miami has to give more, to the 3rd team. I believe, this is the hold up. This trade probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

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Oh, I don't see it happening at all under those circumstances. Why is Miami going to pay to solve the Lakers salary cap issues? We took care of our own. If they need flexibility, let them pay to get it

Because the ONLY the other way is to increase size of the trade (more players/salaries and teams) and would have to be include not just Lakers/Miami giving up assets but also getting more in return (including 1st or 2nd round picks). Riley is a shrewd negotiator and usually wins trades. Pat not letting Wiggins go without getting a premium.

Before the Powell trade it was somewhat known that Miami was attempting to dump Wiggins' salary, especially for 26/27. Not sure if Miami feels that's needed anymore. Hence I feel this may not happen until the trade deadline or even in the '26 offseason.

[Karmaloop]

And you got Luka for .05¢ on the dollar. That's $1.30 for $2. Your team has every single built in advantage possible. Stop.

Same advantage that every other NBA franchise has.

[BBallFreak]

^this. The hold up is a 3rd team willing to take on salary and somewhat of a back n forth on who has to give up incentive that the 3rd team wants.
Miami has to give more, to the 3rd team. I believe, this is the hold up. This trade probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

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Oh, I don't see it happening at all under those circumstances. Why is Miami going to pay to solve the Lakers salary cap issues? We took care of our own. If they need flexibility, let them pay to get it

Because the ONLY the other way is to increase size of the trade (more players/salaries and teams) and would have to be include not just Lakers/Miami giving up assets but also getting more in return (including 1st or 2nd round picks). Riley is a shrewd negotiator and usually wins trades. Pat not letting Wiggins go without getting a premium.

Before the Powell trade it was somewhat known that Miami was attempting to dump Wiggins' salary, especially for 26/27. Not sure if Miami feels that's needed anymore. Hence I feel this may not happen until the trade deadline or even in the '26 offseason.

The problem is, the Lakers aren't the only game in town. I'm sure we could get a similar return at the deadline from a number of teams. Wiggins is an 18ppg 3 and D guy. Those are valuable.

[nzahir]

Oh, I don't see it happening at all under those circumstances. Why is Miami going to pay to solve the Lakers salary cap issues? We took care of our own. If they need flexibility, let them pay to get it

Because the ONLY the other way is to increase size of the trade (more players/salaries and teams) and would have to be include not just Lakers/Miami giving up assets but also getting more in return (including 1st or 2nd round picks). Riley is a shrewd negotiator and usually wins trades. Pat not letting Wiggins go without getting a premium.

Before the Powell trade it was somewhat known that Miami was attempting to dump Wiggins' salary, especially for 26/27. Not sure if Miami feels that's needed anymore. Hence I feel this may not happen until the trade deadline or even in the '26 offseason.

The problem is, the Lakers aren't the only game in town. I'm sure we could get a similar return at the deadline from a number of teams. Wiggins is an 18ppg 3 and D guy. Those are valuable.

What other teams are realistically giving up a 1st for Wiggins?