how to solve Houston's problem (FVV)

[LarsV8]

Hard to imagine Jrue being an option, just with how high is contract is and the length.

But if we assume that is not an issue for the FO, then

FVV, Capela, a min guy, 2 2nds for Jrue

Houston gets a stopgap, Portland cuts a year off long term salary.

[JRoy]

That’s a pass for POR then.

Jrue is better than Vred and Vreds out for the whole season. A back up C, a scrub and SRP don’t make up the difference.

Make WAS will give up CJ for that.

[jayjaysee]

I do think Adams returns a decent rotation guard. And with Capela, Houston can afford to lose Adams.

But I think Houston can wait until December when FVV is trade eligible. They still have enough talent that even if Reed isn’t ready, they will be a play-in team and once they bring in the upgrade in December, they can play catch up.m the rest of the way.

[K_chile22]

When FVV becomes trade eligible, deal him and Sheppard to the Wizards for CJ McCollum and Bub Carrington.

For Houston, CJ can play PG offensively at a high level with Amen handling a lot of the playmaking, Carrington can give a bench playmaker who can distribute and has good size and potential to be the PG of the future instead of Sheppard. But Houston's window with Durant is not going to stay open so they need to have their ducks in a row this year. Houston may have to add some draft capital but not a ridiculous amount.

For Washington, Sheppard should be an upgrade over Carrington for his shooting; he and Tre Johnson will give Washington a lot of floor stretching to go with their athletic forwards while his learning curve will keep them from competing this year. Despite being a year or two older, his lack of play last season while Carrington got lots of NBA minutes probably means he's equal or further away from being a starting caliber player this year. CJ has no real role or future in Washington which is committed to their youth movement. Next year FVV will be the one who is expiring or trade bait.

CJ is a buyout candidate and houston is not trading reed for bub

Can the Rockets sign a buyout candidate who makes as much as CJ?

Yes, they're already hard capped at the first apron, they just need to wait for the minimum to prorate enough to fit a new minimum below the apron

[Devilanche]

I do think Adams returns a decent rotation guard. And with Capela, Houston can afford to lose Adams.

But I think Houston can wait until December when FVV is trade eligible. They still have enough talent that even if Reed isn’t ready, they will be a play-in team and once they bring in the upgrade in December, they can play catch up.m the rest of the way.

Doesn’t FVV have veto rights though ? Something about his birds rights not transferring to the new team if traded .

[Michaellam1987]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

[Wolveswin]

Lots of big variables here but does solve Rockets PG problem and set their longterm roster well.

To Philly: KD/Adams

To Raptors: George/Sheppard/3x 1sts Philly has to trade/maybe a 1st from Rockets

To Rockets: Barnes/Quickley/Drummond

Sengun
Jabari/Eason
Barnes
Amen
Quickley

Then come TD when all contracts can be traded, assuming FVV will agree to be part of trade, use that salary+ and picks to make one last all-in move. Really watching Morant or Ball or Trae or ???

[nolian]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

I suggested something like that some posts ago

[giberish]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

I suggested something like that some posts ago

Totally DOA from Houston. Just wildly off. Sheppard for Monk doesn't add to their PG options and Eason was far off the table for KD, he's obviously not remotely available for Monk.

[Devilanche]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

Need a lot more value for Houston . And don’t see them moving Eason right now in any case.

[jayjaysee]

I do think Adams returns a decent rotation guard. And with Capela, Houston can afford to lose Adams.

But I think Houston can wait until December when FVV is trade eligible. They still have enough talent that even if Reed isn’t ready, they will be a play-in team and once they bring in the upgrade in December, they can play catch up.m the rest of the way.

Doesn’t FVV have veto rights though ? Something about his birds rights not transferring to the new team if traded .

I might be wrong here* but my understanding is that’s only the case if he opts out? If he opts in, he’d have signed a 2 year contract and only have changed teams via trade so would still have full bird rights. And I expect him to opt in.

Another option would be Houston working with FVV to end up on a team that is likely to resign him using nonbird rights (30 million starting salary in 2025-2026).. I don’t see him commanding more than that going into age 33 season coming off an injury.

Looking at Phoenix (Grayson based, maybe getting seconds back). Maybe Brooklyn wants to add a good starter for next season when they don’t own their own pick without impacting the tank this season. If Bailey is looking good enough, you could see Utah (just Nurk based) putting FVV in place with hopes of being semi-competitive in 2026-2027..

No idea how the Toronto relationship ended with FVV but depending on how bad their season is going, adding the PG for the next few years while embracing the tank? Seems like it could make sense.

Not saying any of those teams offer value and it would obviously involve a third team.. But just destinations that seem to make sense for FVV the next few seasons and I doubt FVV blocks a trade to all teams..

[nolian]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

I suggested something like that some posts ago

Totally DOA from Houston. Just wildly off. Sheppard for Monk doesn't add to their PG options and Eason was far off the table for KD, he's obviously not remotely available for Monk.

the idea was completed by the sign of RW at veteran's minimun

Houston need to the trade 2x1 to create a free spot in roster ad than they can sign someone freeagent

so, for Houston the trade can appear Sheppard+Eason x Monk+RW

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PS: the most of who is writing in this topic forgot an important factor: the trade-value of Eason
Now he has a good trade-value, but the next year his value will go down a lot, because with the addition of KD, DFS, Capela, his minutes will be significantly reduced

[Scoot McGroot]

I do think Adams returns a decent rotation guard. And with Capela, Houston can afford to lose Adams.

But I think Houston can wait until December when FVV is trade eligible. They still have enough talent that even if Reed isn’t ready, they will be a play-in team and once they bring in the upgrade in December, they can play catch up.m the rest of the way.

Doesn’t FVV have veto rights though ? Something about his birds rights not transferring to the new team if traded .

I might be wrong here* but my understanding is that’s only the case if he opts out? If he opts in, he’d have signed a 2 year contract and only have changed teams via trade so would still have full bird rights. And I expect him to opt in.

Another option would be Houston working with FVV to end up on a team that is likely to resign him using nonbird rights (30 million starting salary in 2025-2026).. I don’t see him commanding more than that going into age 33 season coming off an injury..

He has an implicit no trade clause because he could opt out and end up as a one year deal. If he opted in ahead of time, he'd lose the implicit no trade clause, but by doing so, he'd have already made a decision on a trade, and essentially utilized his implicit no trade clause? Oh no, I've gone cross eyed....

But yes. Implicit no trade clause, so a very thin line to walk there for Houston if they're to explore using him as salary filler in a trade.

[jayjaysee]

Doesn’t FVV have veto rights though ? Something about his birds rights not transferring to the new team if traded .

I might be wrong here* but my understanding is that’s only the case if he opts out? If he opts in, he’d have signed a 2 year contract and only have changed teams via trade so would still have full bird rights. And I expect him to opt in.

Another option would be Houston working with FVV to end up on a team that is likely to resign him using nonbird rights (30 million starting salary in 2025-2026).. I don’t see him commanding more than that going into age 33 season coming off an injury..

He has an implicit no trade clause because he could opt out and end up as a one year deal. If he opted in ahead of time, he'd lose the implicit no trade clause, but by doing so, he'd have already made a decision on a trade, and essentially utilized his implicit no trade clause? Oh no, I've gone cross eyed....

But yes. Implicit no trade clause, so a very thin line to walk there for Houston if they're to explore using him as salary filler in a trade.

Yeah, I just was responding about bird rights. I don’t think they are a major factor for him. Think it’s most likely he opts in versus trying free agency before playing. But he still should use the NTC to end up in a good situation obviously..

[redslastlaugh]

right, but also FVV is somewhat fortunate because he is now, coming off ACL injury as >30 small guard, he is FOR SURE gonna optin to that $25 million or sign a longer term deal where he makes more in total but less than $25 next season

No chance he just opts out and opens up his free agency given the unforunate injury

Doesn’t FVV have veto rights though ? Something about his birds rights not transferring to the new team if traded .

I might be wrong here* but my understanding is that’s only the case if he opts out? If he opts in, he’d have signed a 2 year contract and only have changed teams via trade so would still have full bird rights. And I expect him to opt in.

Another option would be Houston working with FVV to end up on a team that is likely to resign him using nonbird rights (30 million starting salary in 2025-2026).. I don’t see him commanding more than that going into age 33 season coming off an injury..

He has an implicit no trade clause because he could opt out and end up as a one year deal. If he opted in ahead of time, he'd lose the implicit no trade clause, but by doing so, he'd have already made a decision on a trade, and essentially utilized his implicit no trade clause? Oh no, I've gone cross eyed....

But yes. Implicit no trade clause, so a very thin line to walk there for Houston if they're to explore using him as salary filler in a trade.

[Scoot McGroot]

right, but also FVV is somewhat fortunate because he is now, coming off ACL injury as >30 small guard, he is FOR SURE gonna optin to that $25 million or sign a longer term deal where he makes more in total but less than $25 next season

No chance he just opts out and opens up his free agency given the unforunate injury

I might be wrong here* but my understanding is that’s only the case if he opts out? If he opts in, he’d have signed a 2 year contract and only have changed teams via trade so would still have full bird rights. And I expect him to opt in.

Another option would be Houston working with FVV to end up on a team that is likely to resign him using nonbird rights (30 million starting salary in 2025-2026).. I don’t see him commanding more than that going into age 33 season coming off an injury..

He has an implicit no trade clause because he could opt out and end up as a one year deal. If he opted in ahead of time, he'd lose the implicit no trade clause, but by doing so, he'd have already made a decision on a trade, and essentially utilized his implicit no trade clause? Oh no, I've gone cross eyed....

But yes. Implicit no trade clause, so a very thin line to walk there for Houston if they're to explore using him as salary filler in a trade.

It doesn’t matter if he opts in or out. He has the implicit no trade clause simply because he COULD opt out. Not because he will.

[LarsV8]

Dec 15th

DFS, Okogie, 2 seconds
for
Coby White

[Godaddycurse]

Dec 15th

DFS, Okogie, 2 seconds
for
Coby White

Bulls say no. Dfs is too old for bulls timeline

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Can HOU get involved in the potential SAC/GSW sign and trade for Kuminga, and have Monk re-routed to HOU, with something like Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

I suggested something like that some posts ago

Totally DOA from Houston. Just wildly off. Sheppard for Monk doesn't add to their PG options and Eason was far off the table for KD, he's obviously not remotely available for Monk.

Something like this works, but I still don't know if it is enough to pique Houston's interest:

Houston gives Sheppard and Eason
Houston receives Coby White and some sort of future 1st from Golden State

Golden State gives Kuminga and some sort of future 1st
Golden State receives Sheppard, Eason, and a minimum salary from Chicago

Chicago gives Coby White and a minimum salary guy
Chicago receives Kuminga

(I got that to work with Kuminga at $22m)

[Godaddycurse]

I suggested something like that some posts ago

Totally DOA from Houston. Just wildly off. Sheppard for Monk doesn't add to their PG options and Eason was far off the table for KD, he's obviously not remotely available for Monk.

Something like this works, but I still don't know if it is enough to pique Houston's interest:

Houston gives Sheppard and Eason
Houston receives Coby White and some sort of future 1st from Golden State

Golden State gives Kuminga and some sort of future 1st
Golden State receives Sheppard, Eason, and a minimum salary from Chicago

Chicago gives Coby White and a minimum salary guy
Chicago receives Kuminga

(I got that to work with Kuminga at $22m)

nah GSW stealing all the value. Chicago would just prefer white for eason straight up. Houston values sheppard more than white and eason more than a future 1st.