Early Season Trade Questions

[Texas Chuck]

AD is not a 3 pt shooter nor is he here to provide spacing.

Tim Duncan and Dirk were rarely excitable. KG loved to yell at the sky and show lots of emotion. Do you believe KG cared more than his peers? No, me neither.

I can't help how you read into body language, but I also know you get upset with guys and then stop evaluating their actual play and instead just hate on them relentlessly. AD didn't trade himself for Luka. That anger belongs elsewhere...

[daoneandonly]

No he didnt. But in true AD fashion he got injured what 18 minutes into his first game as a Mav? Yea he deserves blame for his constant injury woes, heck he's listed on today's injury report and may not even play.

And I will hate on anyone who makes my favorite team worse. Josh Green was the poster boy for suck, just ask Hornets fans, so it's not just me on an island. AD makes this team worse than it was prior; that is in his fault because part of it is they know he'll whine, moan, and whatever else if they ask him to be the full-time center. His days of being a top-tier PF are over, he's too old now and like you said, cant spread the floor worth a lick

[Texas Chuck]

AD is not as good as Luka. He is a lot better than anyone else currently playing for Dallas. He doesn't make them worse. But this is a bad team with a G-league level guard rotation and so the coach is trying to limit even playing guards which means Flagg, the youngest dude in the league is trying to play PG.

None of that is AD 's fault. But its pointless. You see the team losing and then have decided its AD's fault and no context matters.

[daoneandonly]

Yup, you got me all figured out Chuck. You can hate whoever you want (the RJ Barretts of the world) but if i dont liek someone, its relentless, pointless, and doesnt add value to the board.

AD's injured again, that's all that needs to be said. 54 million a year, and the guy can't string together five straight games of doing his job, let alone quality basketball. Yeah, that is his fault.

But back to the topic and my original post on here, what would the Mavs be able to get for either Lively or Gaff?

[bucksfansince88]

who needs Bobby Portis?

[Texas Chuck]

Yup, you got me all figured out Chuck. You can hate whoever you want (the RJ Barretts of the world) but if i dont liek someone, its relentless, pointless, and doesnt add value to the board.

I said very little of that lol.

I just think you get fixed on guys you hate and turn off logic. For instance without AD, Dwight Powell would be playing. Caleb Martin would be getting more minutes. More of these terrible guards would be playing. And you believe this would make the Mavs better. That doesn't feel like serious analysis to me. I don't believe you actually believe that basketball wise Dallas is better off without AD.

But carry on with telling us every 2 days about how terrible AD is.

[Texas Chuck]

But back to the topic and my original post on here, what would the Mavs be able to get for either Lively or Gaff?

Not enough to make trading either of them make sense. Lively is hurt again. Gafford is hurt and is paid top of market for what he brings. I don't think either of them returns much in trade. They can in theory help more on court than in trade.

Now could you maybe swap one of them for a guard another team has soured on? Yeah maybe, but considering them being injured and AD always being a risk, you might just be shifting problems.

I think the sad truth is without Kyrie, this team just isn't very good. I don't know that there are any real fixes.

[daoneandonly]

Yup, you got me all figured out Chuck. You can hate whoever you want (the RJ Barretts of the world) but if i dont liek someone, its relentless, pointless, and doesnt add value to the board.

I said very little of that lol.

I just think you get fixed on guys you hate and turn off logic. For instance without AD, Dwight Powell would be playing. Caleb Martin would be getting more minutes. More of these terrible guards would be playing. And you believe this would make the Mavs better. That doesn't feel like serious analysis to me. I don't believe you actually believe that basketball wise Dallas is better off without AD.

But carry on with telling us every 2 days about how terrible AD is.

I think they are better with him at the 5 and PJ/Flagg as the forwards than any current alternative

I think they could be better off trading him for someone younger, cheaper, and who fits more of a position of need

The only thing I would say is that Dallas is better off having AD than not having AD, given who else is on their roster now, of course. He's the highest paid by a wide margin, so that should be the case for any team. Not really a nod to AD imo

[LarsV8]

I'd trade for AD

[daoneandonly]

I'd trade for AD

What are you thinking in terms of outgoing players/picks?

[Ron Swanson]

The "two timelines" thing just never works out and I don't know why Dallas would even entertain it. Winning the Flagg sweepstakes was obviously a curveball thrown in the win-now plan, but that plus Kyrie's injury should have made it immediately obvious that they needed to pivot to a rebuild, even if it's not a "full teardown". I'd be looking at selling off everyone outside of the obvious keepers (Flagg, Christie, Lively). D-Lo or whatever rotation level guard they bring in isn't fixing an offense that looks completely lost without Kyrie, who himself probably isn't gonna be close to the same guy when he even does come back. They have their own pick in 2026, but after that, their draft is controlled by other teams (Charlotte and OKC) the next two years. The smart play is to strategically tank.

[jayjaysee]

The "two timelines" thing just never works out and I don't know why Dallas would even entertain it. Winning the Flagg sweepstakes was obviously a curveball thrown in the win-now plan, but that plus Kyrie's injury should have made it immediately obvious that they needed to pivot to a rebuild, even if it's not a "full teardown". I'd be looking at selling off everyone outside of the obvious keepers (Flagg, Christie, Lively). D-Lo or whatever rotation level guard they bring in isn't fixing an offense that looks completely lost without Kyrie, who himself probably isn't gonna be close to the same guy when he even does come back. They have their own pick in 2026, but after that, their draft is controlled by other teams (Charlotte and OKC) the next two years. The smart play is to strategically tank.

(Rant sorry..)

You probably know this, but it’s not just two years. 2029 is owned by Houston (or small chance of Brooklyn) and 2030 is owned by SAS.. The two years Dallas actually has a pick, they’ve swapped to teams with the best long term set ups in the league… OKC and Wemby..

Dallas had and still has a chance to tank a year to hopefully land one of the really good (projected obviously) offensive players at the top of this years draft. Pairing Brown or Peterson with Lively/Flagg would give Dallas fans a young core to actually believe in, keeping PJ/Kyrie due to the pick debt. AD’s trade return getting Dallas into an asset surplus..

But.. the way the team is being used is so ill fitting imo that they might just tank without trading AD? Probably not a play-in team even with a healthy AD. So what happens when AD misses 10-15 games in the next few months? You rushing Kyrie back when you’re a 11th-12th seed?

I do believe Dallas will adjust rotations and the team will look a lot better, I am just hoping for a tank or a win now move.

[NYG]

If Spotrac's luxury tax figures are accurate...

Nick Richards for Kevin Love --- gets Phoenix under the tax

RJ Barrett for Patrick Williams, Julian Phillips and two seconds --- gets Toronto under the tax

Maxi Kleber and Dalton Knecht for Georges Niang --- gets the Lakers under the tax

Kelly Oubre and two second round picks to the Wizards into TPE --- gets Philly under the tax

Anfernee Simons for Terance Mann and two seconds --- gets Boston under the tax

[NYG]

Between now and the trade deadline...

1. Which teams will be sellers? I could Celtics if the price is right, Nets, Bulls, Pelicans, Suns, Trail Blazers, Kings, Raptors, Jazz and Wizards being sellers by the deadline

2. Which teams will be the most aggressive buyers? Hawks, Pistons, Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs

3. Which players will request trades? I think Giannis would be more of an off-season thing. Zion's not really in any position to request a trade right now. Maybe Trae? LaMelo? Devin Booker?

4. Which teams could use salary relief? https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax

[NYG]

If Spotrac's luxury tax figures are accurate...

Nick Richards for Kevin Love --- gets Phoenix under the tax

RJ Barrett for Patrick Williams, Julian Phillips and two seconds --- gets Toronto under the tax

Maxi Kleber and Dalton Knecht for Georges Niang --- gets the Lakers under the tax

Kelly Oubre and two second round picks to the Wizards into TPE --- gets Philly under the tax

Anfernee Simons for Terance Mann and two seconds --- gets Boston under the tax

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax

How are Orlando and Denver getting under?

[Devilanche]

I do believe Dallas will adjust rotations and the team will look a lot better, I am just hoping for a tank or a win now move.

Flagg at PG is step 1 of tanking .

[SkyHook]

If Spotrac's luxury tax figures are accurate...

Nick Richards for Kevin Love --- gets Phoenix under the tax

RJ Barrett for Patrick Williams, Julian Phillips and two seconds --- gets Toronto under the tax

Maxi Kleber and Dalton Knecht for Georges Niang --- gets the Lakers under the tax

Kelly Oubre and two second round picks to the Wizards into TPE --- gets Philly under the tax

Anfernee Simons for Terance Mann and two seconds --- gets Boston under the tax

Jazz will be looking for draft capital in order to take on salary. They might do the Love deal without it (small delta in $ and personally I like Richards well enough), but not the Niang one (Knecht is not incentive). I think Utah is fine hanging on to those two as vet presence in the locker room otherwise.

[LarsV8]

What are you thinking in terms of outgoing players/picks?

FVV, DFS, Capela as salary filler

Sheppard,
Dal 2029 #1 Returned.
And a Hou first

[NYG]

If Devin Booker asked out... would anyone beat the Spurs offer?

[nzahir]

Who will the Lakers target that is an off the radar name or a surprise name like they usually do?