Kuminga to SAC, is there a middle ground?

[LightTheBeam]

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Smitty with some truth. Monk is a good player!

[Andre Roberstan]

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Smitty with some truth. Monk is a good player!

Agreed. I think he gets underrated a bit cause not a ton of people watch the Kings.

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Smitty with some truth. Monk is a good player!

It comes down to the first sentence in the tweet. It’s not about Monk the player. It’s about Monk the bad fit in Golden State-especially when compared to Moody and Hield.

I’ve no doubt there are teams he’d be fine with. As I said before, he’s like Schroder-shined in LA, struggled in Toronto, shined in Brooklyn, struggled in GS, shined in Detroit.

Got little doubt Monk would struggle in GS but shine on another team

[Crazy-Canuck]

A deal will get done once someone finds 1 team willing to take monk for an asset the Warriors want.

They wont give away kuminga for nothing.
They don't need monk. But they could use his salary slot to get something they do need (much like kuminga).

They will want a wing with size. Another small one way guard regardless of how good people think he is, just isnt a big need atm.

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Smitty with some truth. Monk is a good player!

It comes down to the first sentence in the tweet. It’s not about Monk the player. It’s about Monk the bad fit in Golden State-especially when compared to Moody and Hield.

I’ve no doubt there are teams he’d be fine with. As I said before, he’s like Schroder-shined in LA, struggled in Toronto, shined in Brooklyn, struggled in GS, shined in Detroit.

Got little doubt Monk would struggle in GS but shine on another team

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

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A deal will get done once someone finds 1 team willing to take monk for an asset the Warriors want.

They wont give away kuminga for nothing.
They don't need monk. But they could use his salary slot to get something they do need (much like kuminga).

They will want a wing with size. Another small one way guard regardless of how good people think he is, just isnt a big need atm.

Monk’s contract at this point in the offseason makes it tough to find a match. You could see Houston needing him light of the FVV injury or Miami in light of Herro’s, but what’s the return?

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Smitty with some truth. Monk is a good player!

It comes down to the first sentence in the tweet. It’s not about Monk the player. It’s about Monk the bad fit in Golden State-especially when compared to Moody and Hield.

I’ve no doubt there are teams he’d be fine with. As I said before, he’s like Schroder-shined in LA, struggled in Toronto, shined in Brooklyn, struggled in GS, shined in Detroit.

Got little doubt Monk would struggle in GS but shine on another team

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

Maybe I don’t see enough Kings games, but off ball, movement and read and react aren’t terms I associate with Monk

[LightTheBeam]

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

[sackings916]

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

[sackings916]

It comes down to the first sentence in the tweet. It’s not about Monk the player. It’s about Monk the bad fit in Golden State-especially when compared to Moody and Hield.

I’ve no doubt there are teams he’d be fine with. As I said before, he’s like Schroder-shined in LA, struggled in Toronto, shined in Brooklyn, struggled in GS, shined in Detroit.

Got little doubt Monk would struggle in GS but shine on another team

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

Maybe I don’t see enough Kings games, but off ball, movement and read and react aren’t terms I associate with Monk

I’m not saying he’s Ray Allen, but he has the ability to play off ball.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

Maybe I don’t see enough Kings games, but off ball, movement and read and react aren’t terms I associate with Monk

I’m not saying he’s Ray Allen, but he has the ability to play off ball.

The problem is not just kuminga, but heild or moody woukd also need to go out.

Heild is our 2nd best volume 3 pt shooter. And moody is the only wing on the roster. And as much as people dislike kuminga, hes another big athletic 3/4 going out.

So, we'd lose size, shooting, defense to go all in on monk? I dont see it. They could use his scoring, but its low on the list of priorities.

[giberish]

Monk's archetype (PG sized SG with limited/no defense) isn't in demand around the league at this point. Teams that would be interested in him on-court only would want him cheap - and his contract means that isn't really possible.

Also any 3rd team that's looking to buy low on Monk isn't going to close the value gap on a JK S&T deal, especially given the Warriors salary issues.

[gswhoops]

The difference with Monk though is that he can play off ball. Yes he had a down year from 3 last year, but historically he’s been in the mid-high 30s for his career. The Kings tried to turn him into a pure PG last season, which may have led to him overthinking instead of just hooping. He may not be in ideal fit with Steph/Jimmy/Draymond because he excels with the ball in his hands, but he has the ability to be an off ball shooter and finisher in those lineups as well. I think the biggest issue is that 3rd year, and the Warriors want to get a big fish with their cap space.

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

[LightTheBeam]

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

With Beasley available I don't really get the hesitation to move off from Buddy. Seems like he had a bunch of ups and downs last year, starting out hot, then being pretty awful, and then redeeming himself come postseason. I'd think Beasley slots into that role with similar shooting % and much less mistakes. Of course that's if he wants to come to GS, but I can't see why he wouldn't with that role being open.

[gswhoops]

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

With Beasley available I don't really get the hesitation to move off from Buddy. Seems like he had a bunch of ups and downs last year, starting out hot, then being pretty awful, and then redeeming himself come postseason. I'd think Beasley slots into that role with similar shooting % and much less mistakes. Of course that's if he wants to come to GS, but I can't see why he wouldn't with that role being open.

If Beasley's willing to take a vet min and come off the bench then that's fine; I assume he'll be able to find more money and/or a bigger role elsewhere. Beasley might start some games but I doubt he'd be a full time "starter"

[parsnips33]

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

Took the words out of my mouth

[sackings916]

I mean Monks best lineup was when he played as the 3rd guy off Fox/Sabonis. I said it the second we traded Fox last year, he isn't a real 1 and shouldn't be played as such. I don't really see the issue in GS, and I'm not sure if Smitty was saying that or saying that they already have a glut of 2's, so it doesn't really make sense to add another one. Which that part I agree with. But a lot of GS fans on X have changed stance and starting pointing out that Monk would arguably immediately become the best 2 on that team.

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

If it’s Hield out though, is there really much of a drop off considering most of those minutes will go to Monk, a bigger role for Moody, and filled in with Podz/GP/Melton and Seth? I don’t think that’s a downgrade but I could be wrong.

[xdrta+]

I agree. I think Monk would take some pressure off Steph and Jimmy as a scorer and playmaker. And can the Warriors really make it the whole season with only Steph and Jimmy as primary playmakers? But Warrior fans seem to think another guy with the ball in his hands is not what the team needs.

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

If it’s Hield out though, is there really much of a drop off considering most of those minutes will go to Monk, a bigger role for Moody, and filled in with Podz/GP/Melton and Seth? I don’t think that’s a downgrade but I could be wrong.

I think it would definitely be Hield over Moody, but what would GS have to attach to dump him? They couldn't take salary back so Bkn is the only feasible choice, but it seems like they'd want something to take him for sure.

[gswhoops]

Yeah I think I'm more pro-Monk the player than most GS fans. I don't have an issue with him playing off Steph/Jimmy and then being an on ball guy when they're resting.

I think Monk the contract is an issue though. If we could get Monk for JK straight up I'd be fine with it, but Kuminga plus Hield/Moody for Monk feels like a lateral move at best. Maybe JK for Monk/protected 1st happens at the deadline.

If it’s Hield out though, is there really much of a drop off considering most of those minutes will go to Monk, a bigger role for Moody, and filled in with Podz/GP/Melton and Seth? I don’t think that’s a downgrade but I could be wrong.

I think it would definitely be Hield over Moody, but what would GS have to attach to dump him? They couldn't take salary back so Bkn is the only feasible choice, but it seems like they'd want something to take him for sure.

Hield fits into the MLE, so our options would be a little broader. At a glance it looks like Utah, Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte, and Chicago all have enough MLE and 1st apron room left to absorb his contract without sending any money back (source: https://www.salaryswish.com/mid-level-exception). IDK what any of them would charge to do it, though.

[xdrta+]

Hield fits into the MLE, so our options would be a little broader. At a glance it looks like Utah, Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte, and Chicago all have enough MLE and 1st apron room left to absorb his contract without sending any money back (source: https://www.salaryswish.com/mid-level-exception). IDK what any of them would charge to do it, though.

Utah used the MLE on Kyle Anderson, but you're right about the other three. So there are more options, but, like you say, what would they charge to accommodate us. I don't see the point myself, it seems like a desperation move just to get rid of Kuminga.