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[BlazersBroncos]

OKC has no interest in moving SGA. They literally just paid the kid. Its a pure pipe dream for PHI.

[JRoy]

This may have been YSBS value last year.

Not this year.

[Bowdystuda]

I love Tim MacMahon so much. All the reports are out about Lacob getting fined $50k for his comments on Simmons.

Tim:

Read on Twitter

The way I see it Joe Lacob just spent $50,000 to shut down all of the potential Warrior rumors regarding trading for Ben Simmons.

yes in short this nothing but a trip to grocery store for him

Who are you kidding? Lol. He doesn't go into grocery stores.

[kuclas]

Kings and Fox make the most sense for Ben Simmons.

I have them about equivalent in terms of value

Which means that it will be easier for Morey to agree to the trade than McNair IMO

Morey is up against the wall. He's in a pinned situation due to Doc Rivers dumb comments. He has to trade Ben, and won't be held to account to harshly given the circumstances

McNair doesn't need to make the deal. As a GM, your under tremendous pressure. If you don't need to make a deal, and you do, and its the wrong choice - that's your job and legacy in the city's basketball fans

I think as players they can go either way. Ben has had better advanced states. Fox's offense at his age/position lends itself to being one of the better PGs win the league as the Curry/Paul/Irving's subside, and he has the athleticism/agility to be a real plus defender, which he tends to use under Walton in the 4th quarter. He was consistent on defense when he wasn't playing for a bottom 2 milquetoast coach (Walton) in Joerger, and has the 'ability' to be a significant player on both sides permanently (who knows if he will get there).

As players they can go either way, which is why its easier for the GM who has to make a deal and wont be under too harsh scrutiny for the return, when being a GM your so often afraid of making the wrong move

Fox is a dynamic scorer but he's not a good outside shooter. he's very average free throws shooting for the volume he gets. Which means many of his points are in transition with his speed in the context of a regular NBA game.

This is how Simmons gets 16 points a game in the regular NBA season most in transition despite no jump shot or layups/dunks on 10/11 shots a game. Fox takes 19 shots a game to get 25 points. That's a ton of shots.

How would Fox's game translate when teams put the clamps on him in the playoffs. We don't know. But his inability to shoot consistenly from the outside and teams cutting off driving lanes can spell trouble in post season with teams playing defense. This is exactly what happened to DeAngelo Russell when he was with the Nets. Russell is a notorious chucker. He actually made the NBA all star team as a replacement in the Winter 2019 all star game. The sixers completely exposed Russell in the playoffs.

The entire Sacromento team is dysfunctional starting with their Coach who doesn't preach defense. So the guys are free to roam and score and not punished for getting back on defense. And Fox doesn't help by not playing much defense himself.

[jbk1234]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

SGA just signed a max extension. He's going to be nearly impossible to trade until it kicks in.

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[Wolveswin]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

SGA just signed a max extension. He's going to be nearly impossible to trade until it kicks in.

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Not really. OKC has cap space and TPEs even and are perfect team in the PPP trade equation.

[Ballerhogger]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

SGA just signed a max extension. He's going to be nearly impossible to trade until it kicks in.

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Not really. OKC has cap space and TPEs even and are perfect team in the PPP trade equation.

even then hes not going anywhere. You dont max a guy to trade him for Maxey and more picks ...

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yeah it's just not happening. And it would take some real actual cornerstone pieces not just a bunch of variance picks.

[SharpyShuffle]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

I do agree that SGA is an absolute jewel who teams should be all over (maybe not right now but within a year), because its incredibly rare to see a player that good, that young, whose team isn't 100% committed to building around him.

But still, at some point OKC have enough picks and want a guaranteed rookie contract stud to replace SGA instead of more lottery tickets. And I think teams would give that to them. Like, if I'm the Wolves here I cut out Philly and offer Edwards. I know that's a painful price but SGA is better now, may always be better, and for God's sake of you're the Wolves you need to push hard to win eventually. And I think an Edwards-level player is what OKC asks for, not just not picks for the Pick Pile.

[Wolveswin]

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + 2023 1st (unprotected) + 2025 1st (now unprotected to OKC) + 2027 1st (lightly protected)
FOR
SGA + Beasley

Thunder Trade:
SGA + 2x Filler Players
FOR
McDaniels + Maxey + Beverley (buyout?) + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2023 76ers 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 76ers 1st (now unprotected) + 2026 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 76ers 1st (top 3 protected)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + McDaniels + Beverley + Pick Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + 2x OKC Small Filler

76ers get a locked in stud guard to pair with Embiid plus add Beasley shooting.

OKC adds to the draft war chest. They could want Simmons, but I just don’t see that move.

Wolves get Simmons.

I do agree that SGA is an absolute jewel who teams should be all over (maybe not right now but within a year), because its incredibly rare to see a player that good, that young, whose team isn't 100% committed to building around him.

But still, at some point OKC have enough picks and want a guaranteed rookie contract stud to replace SGA instead of more lottery tickets. And I think teams would give that to them. Like, if I'm the Wolves here I cut out Philly and offer Edwards. I know that's a painful price but SGA is better now, may always be better, and for God's sake of you're the Wolves you need to push hard to win eventually. And I think an Edwards-level player is what OKC asks for, not just not picks for the Pick Pile.

Interesting, SGA to Wolves. Not sure how I see that one. Hmmmm

[Pelon chingon]

To Philly: Buddy, Barnes, DLO, Minnesota pick(s)
To Minn: Simmons
To Sacra: McDaniels, Harris

Philly gets a shot in the arm on offense with tons of firepower and Minny picks.

Minnesota snags a big fish who complements KAT.

Sacramento consolidates and gets McDaniels to incentivize them.

[Texas Chuck]

To Philly: Buddy, Barnes, DLO, Minnesota pick(s)
To Minn: Simmons
To Sacra: McDaniels, Harris

Philly gets a shot in the arm on offense with tons of firepower and Minny picks.

Minnesota snags a big fish who complements KAT.

Sacramento consolidates and gets McDaniels to incentivize them.

Wait so the Kings get to upgrade Barnes to Harris, dump Buddy and your position is they need incentive? That can't be right so I'm guessing you left out Haliburton going to the Sixers here? Because that is a big pile of meh going to Philly for their 2nd and 3rd best player and the Kings stealing enormous gobs of value as written.

[Bduncan22]

Ben and Thybulle go to Sacramento for De'aaron and Harrison Barnes, This way both teams get a Guard/Big duo (De'aaron Fox and Joel Embiid) (Ben Simmons and Buddy Heild) Both teams get a extra player from the other team to compensate for chemistry. Ben also doesnt end up going to a shooting focused team and staff group like the Rockets, Blazers, or Warriors. Philly gets a proper PG C duo. Both teams become Playoff contenders. =

[basketballwacko2]

I think Simmons will get traded before training camp and for a lot less than most fans think. He's demanding a trade, he says he won't report to camp or ever play for the 76ers again, and he's a flawed player in that he can't shoot. What position does he play? Really he can play them all, but that lack of shooting ability is a problem. I don't know how to value him or what a team might offer or even what team would be after him.

[GutUNC]

Ben and Thybulle go to Sacramento for De'aaron and Harrison Barnes, This way both teams get a Guard/Big duo (De'aaron Fox and Joel Embiid) (Ben Simmons and Buddy Heild) Both teams get a extra player from the other team to compensate for chemistry. Ben also doesnt end up going to a shooting focused team and staff group like the Rockets, Blazers, or Warriors. Philly gets a proper PG C duo. Both teams become Playoff contenders. =

I'm willing to decline that "chemistry compensation" of Barnes/Thybulle which....lucky for us....makes the deal not work salary-wise anyway!

[Pelon chingon]

To Philly: Buddy, Barnes, DLO, Minnesota pick(s)
To Minn: Simmons
To Sacra: McDaniels, Harris

Philly gets a shot in the arm on offense with tons of firepower and Minny picks.

Minnesota snags a big fish who complements KAT.

Sacramento consolidates and gets McDaniels to incentivize them.

Wait so the Kings get to upgrade Barnes to Harris, dump Buddy and your position is they need incentive? That can't be right so I'm guessing you left out Haliburton going to the Sixers here? Because that is a big pile of meh going to Philly for their 2nd and 3rd best player and the Kings stealing enormous gobs of value as written.

We'll see what Philly ends up getting b/c I dont see a golden parachute scenario popping up. Buddy has his flaws for sure but he gets buckets regardless. I think a trade like this gives Philly a better team given the situation. Dlo and Buddy give Imbiid tons of space.

[basketballwacko2]

Ben and Thybulle go to Sacramento for De'aaron and Harrison Barnes, This way both teams get a Guard/Big duo (De'aaron Fox and Joel Embiid) (Ben Simmons and Buddy Heild) Both teams get a extra player from the other team to compensate for chemistry. Ben also doesnt end up going to a shooting focused team and staff group like the Rockets, Blazers, or Warriors. Philly gets a proper PG C duo. Both teams become Playoff contenders. =

I think Fox is the all around better player. I might make a deal if I'm the kings if I can get Ben and not give up Fox or Haliburton. Something like Hield, Bagley and Mitchell and a #1 pick for Simmons and Curry makes some sense to me.

[GutUNC]

To Philly: Buddy, Barnes, DLO, Minnesota pick(s)
To Minn: Simmons
To Sacra: McDaniels, Harris

Philly gets a shot in the arm on offense with tons of firepower and Minny picks.

Minnesota snags a big fish who complements KAT.

Sacramento consolidates and gets McDaniels to incentivize them.

Wait so the Kings get to upgrade Barnes to Harris, dump Buddy and your position is they need incentive? That can't be right so I'm guessing you left out Haliburton going to the Sixers here? Because that is a big pile of meh going to Philly for their 2nd and 3rd best player and the Kings stealing enormous gobs of value as written.

We'll see what Philly ends up getting b/c I dont see a golden parachute scenario popping up. Buddy has his flaws for sure but he gets buckets regardless. I think a trade like this gives Philly a better team given the situation. Dlo and Buddy give Imbiid tons of space.

Almost as much as opposing guards will get.

[Ballerhogger]

Ben and Thybulle go to Sacramento for De'aaron and Harrison Barnes, This way both teams get a Guard/Big duo (De'aaron Fox and Joel Embiid) (Ben Simmons and Buddy Heild) Both teams get a extra player from the other team to compensate for chemistry. Ben also doesnt end up going to a shooting focused team and staff group like the Rockets, Blazers, or Warriors. Philly gets a proper PG C duo. Both teams become Playoff contenders. =

I think Fox is the all around better player. I might make a deal if I'm the kings if I can get Ben and not give up Fox or Haliburton. Something like Hield, Bagley and Mitchell and a #1 pick for Simmons and Curry makes some sense to me.

i mentioned this earlier 76ers fans were not happy about it

[BullyKing]

Ben and Thybulle go to Sacramento for De'aaron and Harrison Barnes, This way both teams get a Guard/Big duo (De'aaron Fox and Joel Embiid) (Ben Simmons and Buddy Heild) Both teams get a extra player from the other team to compensate for chemistry. Ben also doesnt end up going to a shooting focused team and staff group like the Rockets, Blazers, or Warriors. Philly gets a proper PG C duo. Both teams become Playoff contenders. =

I think Fox is the all around better player. I might make a deal if I'm the kings if I can get Ben and not give up Fox or Haliburton. Something like Hield, Bagley and Mitchell and a #1 pick for Simmons and Curry makes some sense to me.

i mentioned this earlier 76ers fans were not happy about it

I'm honestly very tired of you lying to make it seem like Sixers fans are unreasonable. This proposal has Mitchell included, yours did not. You continuously take an offer that is significantly different than yours and say oh well I said something similar and Sixers fans didn't like it. You can't take an offer that has piece added - that is the most valuable piece in the proposal - and pretend it is like yours. If you are going to keep repeating yourself incessantly in this thread then I'm going to insist that you are at least intellectually honest about it.