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[Papi_swav]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

[Resistance]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Two seconds ànd a fake second?

[The Rebel]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Ainge won a championship with Perkins and big baby Davis as his Centers. Obviously he does not value Centers near as much as fans do, as his last big signing at Center was actually a PF that played Center due to lack of size at his previous team.


That being said I am not convinced that Turner should have all that value. He looked like he was finally getting things right a year ago, signs a big contract, and then regresses this last season, that is not a good sign at all. Screams that he is a contract year player, and I am not sure i would want him on my team.

[Scoot McGroot]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Ainge won a championship with Perkins and big baby Davis as his Centers. Obviously he does not value Centers near as much as fans do, as his last big signing at Center was actually a PF that played Center due to lack of size at his previous team.


That being said I am not convinced that Turner should have all that value. He looked like he was finally getting things right a year ago, signs a big contract, and then regresses this last season, that is not a good sign at all. Screams that he is a contract year player, and I am not sure i would want him on my team.

He didn’t regress though. He was a team player that took the 5th option role and also had to shoulder a ton of extra defensive pressure on his own, with the swap of Thad out and Sabonis into the lineup. Also, instead of playing with Collison and Oladipo, he had Brogdon and Lamb, and no one that could guard the smaller quick guards. The man played really well for what was asked of him and the adjustments to his game that were forced upon him by the roster. His counting stats went down, but in watching him, the guy grew his game tons over the course of the season.

[MasterIchiro]

Oh good now watch when Turner drops 30 and 15 on them and McDermott drops 25 on them he's going to say " we was just about to pick up the phone and accept their offer, but Hayward didn't give us a chance" or some lame excuse to save face lol happens time and time again with that dude. It's corny and annoying by now.

How can you not accept that trade ASAP. Turner is the perfect fit on the Celtics and plus you get a straight shooter and a first as a bonus on the side for a guy who was leaving Boston one way or the other lol this is really bad. Everybody want to talk about Turner being overpaid and no team out there wants him but the fact is the guy is a top defensive center and can shoot the 3, what more do you want? You're not getting Dipo or Warren (who balled out this year) for a guy that's leaving anyway. Ainge is greedy and thinks he's a bandit. BTW does Boston have anymore of other teams picks or anymore assets left?

Ainge won a championship with Perkins and big baby Davis as his Centers. Obviously he does not value Centers near as much as fans do, as his last big signing at Center was actually a PF that played Center due to lack of size at his previous team.


That being said I am not convinced that Turner should have all that value. He looked like he was finally getting things right a year ago, signs a big contract, and then regresses this last season, that is not a good sign at all. Screams that he is a contract year player, and I am not sure i would want him on my team.

He didn’t regress though. He was a team player that took the 5th option role and also had to shoulder a ton of extra defensive pressure on his own, with the swap of Thad out and Sabonis into the lineup. Also, instead of playing with Collison and Oladipo, he had Brogdon and Lamb, and no one that could guard the smaller quick guards. The man played really well for what was asked of him and the adjustments to his game that were forced upon him by the roster. His counting stats went down, but in watching him, the guy grew his game tons over the course of the season.

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

[winter_mute_13]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

It depends on what you mean by a stretch 5. Turner has a nice outside shot, yes. But he's not a guy who can create from the perimeter, for example. To be fair very few 5's can do that (Nowitzki, Love, depends on who else you consider a 5). To compound that, Turner isn't a guy who can create from the post either. In fact, for such a tall guy, his post up ability is disappointing. Pacer fans like to talk up Turner's defense, and definitely he's no slouch, but he's also not a guy who can switch on guards, unlike Bam for example. To me, Turner is a guy with very well-defined strengths and weaknesses, but that generally suggest a role player, whereas versatility seems to be the watchword now.

What's hurting Turner's trade value IMO, and really it affects all bigs, is that the market for bigs basically halved while 3/4 wings are now overvalued. FWIW I agree that Turner's contract seems pretty reasonable, but if the Pacers want a wing in return they'll have to take a talent hit IMO.

[Buzzard]

Ainge won a championship with Perkins and big baby Davis as his Centers. Obviously he does not value Centers near as much as fans do, as his last big signing at Center was actually a PF that played Center due to lack of size at his previous team.


That being said I am not convinced that Turner should have all that value. He looked like he was finally getting things right a year ago, signs a big contract, and then regresses this last season, that is not a good sign at all. Screams that he is a contract year player, and I am not sure i would want him on my team.

He didn’t regress though. He was a team player that took the 5th option role and also had to shoulder a ton of extra defensive pressure on his own, with the swap of Thad out and Sabonis into the lineup. Also, instead of playing with Collison and Oladipo, he had Brogdon and Lamb, and no one that could guard the smaller quick guards. The man played really well for what was asked of him and the adjustments to his game that were forced upon him by the roster. His counting stats went down, but in watching him, the guy grew his game tons over the course of the season.

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

I cannot even comprehend why a GM with Ainge's experience needs other teams input if a player will be good for his team. This is the type of BS that gets leaked anytime Ainge is involved.

Stupid as hell to think Schlenk, or any GM, would call other teams to see if they like Bogdan and Gallinari before they made offers for them.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

It depends on what you mean by a stretch 5. Turner has a nice outside shot, yes. But he's not a guy who can create from the perimeter, for example. To be fair very few 5's can do that (Nowitzki, Love, depends on who else you consider a 5). To compound that, Turner isn't a guy who can create from the post either. In fact, for such a tall guy, his post up ability is disappointing. Pacer fans like to talk up Turner's defense, and definitely he's no slouch, but he's also not a guy who can switch on guards, unlike Bam for example. To me, Turner is a guy with very well-defined strengths and weaknesses, but that generally suggest a role player, whereas versatility seems to be the watchword now.

What's hurting Turner's trade value IMO, and really it affects all bigs, is that the market for bigs basically halved while 3/4 wings are now overvalued. FWIW I agree that Turner's contract seems pretty reasonable, but if the Pacers want a wing in return they'll have to take a talent hit IMO.

What should it cost the Hornets for him? Miles Bridges and 15 million expiring (Zeller)? I bet Pacers fans would want us to attach a first.

[Buzzard]

Looks like the Hawks are done unless something big comes along.

Although Schlenk does not anticipating trading the club’s new depth yet, he does think that the Hawks have enough players to package in a deal if needed.

Sarah K. Spencer, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“One of the things I really like about where we are is with the veteran guys, with the young guys we have, we have a lot of guys on our roster that other teams value,” Schlenk said of the Hawks’ new-look squad. “So we always try to keep ourselves in a position, if there is a star player that becomes available, we’re in a position to try to go acquire those.”

[winter_mute_13]

What should it cost the Hornets for him? Miles Bridges and 15 million expiring (Zeller)? I bet Pacers fans would want us to attach a first.

No idea really, shrug. It could be that the Pacers decide that keeping Myles is better than what they could get in trade. Not optimal of course, but the trade market is outside their control.

[Mr B]

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Antetokounmpo to the Mavs per Woj


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[loserX]

I know some of our Pacers fans liked this guy. Not sure he'll get a whole lot more run in Toronto, but let's see what Nurse thinks!

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[Scoot McGroot]

I know some of our Pacers fans liked this guy. Not sure he'll get a whole lot more run in Toronto, but let's see what Nurse thinks!

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I mean, that’s an absolutely perfect spot for him if he’s to develop. He’s real likable, a superb rebounder, and otherwise he’s ok to good in a lot of ways. He’s not excellent in any ways. But he’s athletic and a good teammate. Would prefer to have him over Lecque this year, for sure, but alas, seems financial for us.

[jayu70]

He didn’t regress though. He was a team player that took the 5th option role and also had to shoulder a ton of extra defensive pressure on his own, with the swap of Thad out and Sabonis into the lineup. Also, instead of playing with Collison and Oladipo, he had Brogdon and Lamb, and no one that could guard the smaller quick guards. The man played really well for what was asked of him and the adjustments to his game that were forced upon him by the roster. His counting stats went down, but in watching him, the guy grew his game tons over the course of the season.

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

I cannot even comprehend why a GM with Ainge's experience needs other teams input if a player will be good for his team. This is the type of BS that gets leaked anytime Ainge is involved.

Stupid as hell to think Schlenk, or any GM, would call other teams to see if they like Bogdan and Gallinari before they made offers for them.

Or could it be that Ainge was asking too much for Turner from those other teams?

[Buzzard]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

I cannot even comprehend why a GM with Ainge's experience needs other teams input if a player will be good for his team. This is the type of BS that gets leaked anytime Ainge is involved.

Stupid as hell to think Schlenk, or any GM, would call other teams to see if they like Bogdan and Gallinari before they made offers for them.

Or could it be that Ainge was asking too much for Turner from those other teams?

I think it was just a bogus rumor mill to lower Turners value in the eyes of whoever would pay attention. It certainly did not work with Charlotte

[zimpy27]

Off-season seems to be over..

Why is it still dragging on with teams not filling out rosters?

[pacers33granger]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

If true, it very well may have been that Ainge was looking for a third team to take Turner for assets right then and there when most teams were getting to be pretty set on their rosters. And we don't know what he was asking for in return from any third teams. Hell, he may have been trying to trade him to a third team at a premium despite them knowing he was going to get him and a pick for a sign and trade of a guy who was leaving.

The odd part is that everyone knows Boston needs some sort of true center. That's why he went out and signed TT. Personally, I liked the signing, but it tends to fly in the face of the claims that Boston centers have to do very specific things otherwise they're useless. TT can switch, which is necessary, but he can't shoot whatsoever and is not a passer, two things we've heard over and over that Boston bigs are required to do. If Ainge doesn't value Turner, that's fine, but he does the things Boston bigs supposedly need to do. And he's not an elite player or anything, but I don't see any other avenue for Boston to get what they seem to want out of that spot.

[Buzzard]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

If true, it very well may have been that Ainge was looking for a third team to take Turner for assets right then and there when most teams were getting to be pretty set on their rosters. And we don't know what he was asking for in return from any third teams. Hell, he may have been trying to trade him to a third team at a premium despite them knowing he was going to get him and a pick for a sign and trade of a guy who was leaving.

The odd part is that everyone knows Boston needs some sort of true center. That's why he went out and signed TT. Personally, I liked the signing, but it tends to fly in the face of the claims that Boston centers have to do very specific things otherwise they're useless. TT can switch, which is necessary, but he can't shoot whatsoever and is not a passer, two things we've heard over and over that Boston bigs are required to do. If Ainge doesn't value Turner, that's fine, but he does the things Boston bigs supposedly need to do. And he's not an elite player or anything, but I don't see any other avenue for Boston to get what they seem to want out of that spot.

I like Tristian as a tough minded player. He is not close to the mythical center we have been hearing about from Celtics fans. Makes me think something else is in the works or Ainge thinks he can pencil anyone in as the starter.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm confused about the polarization over Turner. Ainge reportedly did an assessment of his value around the league and found limited interest. I've always considered him a legit stretch 5. Those players are in demand. I would think it's the opposite. Turner's market should be robust. There are still a bunch of teams lacking impact centers. It just seems one area where teams cut costs so the Jerami Grants of the world can make 20 million. 18 million is too much for a modern NBA center. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a solid contract.

If true, it very well may have been that Ainge was looking for a third team to take Turner for assets right then and there when most teams were getting to be pretty set on their rosters. And we don't know what he was asking for in return from any third teams. Hell, he may have been trying to trade him to a third team at a premium despite them knowing he was going to get him and a pick for a sign and trade of a guy who was leaving.

The odd part is that everyone knows Boston needs some sort of true center. That's why he went out and signed TT. Personally, I liked the signing, but it tends to fly in the face of the claims that Boston centers have to do very specific things otherwise they're useless. TT can switch, which is necessary, but he can't shoot whatsoever and is not a passer, two things we've heard over and over that Boston bigs are required to do. If Ainge doesn't value Turner, that's fine, but he does the things Boston bigs supposedly need to do. And he's not an elite player or anything, but I don't see any other avenue for Boston to get what they seem to want out of that spot.

It's definitely confusing, moreso because it was reported the Celtics and Hornets were pursuing Turner. He doesn't have a one-team market.

According to IndyStar’s J. Michael, the trade interest around the NBA remains ‘extremely high’ for Turner. Two teams were singled out in the report—- the Celtics and Hornets.

“Myles Turner had been resigned to playing on another team going into the offseason according to league sources with knowledge of the situation. The interest in him around the league remains extremely high, including Boston and Charlotte, but the most recent interactions he has had with the Pacers suggest he could stay put.”

[jbk1234]

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