Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[jayjaysee]

Unrealistic fun...

Would Sac go all in on Martin, AD and Kyrie?

Salary matching with their Bulls and Murray+Carter.. add as many picks as you think?

Dallas tries hard to flip LaVine and Demar for less salary or assets if possible.

Monk/Ellis/Martin/AD/Sabonis til Kyrie back?

[zimpy27]

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

Odds are he looks like Kobe last 2 years after he tore his Achilles at 34. Those were not pretty seasons.

Again, age not correlated.

Kobe came back after 8 months too. I think the quickest from Achilles we ever saw.

[TheNetsFan]

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.

Proof?

[SlimShady83]

Question about Beals no trade clause. If suns decide too stretch Beals contract to 4-5 years, does the NTC get waived or does it stay no matter what?

[Hook_Em]

Is the general consensus that Murphy is worth #3 alone while Herb at #7 is worth #3?

[zimpy27]

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.

Proof?

Look at the outcomes.


Guys that were far worse after Achilles were Cousins (27), Jennings (26), Wes (28), Ellis (26), Brand (28), Kobe (35)

Guys that were impacted least after Achilles were Durant (31), Wilkins (32), Klay (30), Gay (31)


These are just notable players, plenty other young role players guys never returned to NBA.

[zimpy27]

Studies suggest that sticking to rehabilitation and sticking to the rehab program is the best correlate to outcome after Achilles. We're talking daily stretching and increasing flexibility.

It's not age, it's determination. I think Dame has what it takes to get back ok.

[psman2]

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

Odds are he looks like Kobe last 2 years after he tore his Achilles at 34. Those were not pretty seasons.

Again, age not correlated.

Kobe came back after 8 months too. I think the quickest from Achilles we ever saw.

And he played 6 games and missed the rest of that season. Individuals will vary but age almost always correlates negatively to recover.

[SkyHook]

Question about Beals no trade clause. If suns decide too stretch Beals contract to 4-5 years, does the NTC get waived or does it stay no matter what?

If he gets stretched he gets waived. A trade is no longer a possibility so the NTC is moot.

[SkyHook]

In a potential KD trade to Houston, who would be the 3rd team to take J. Green? I know some of my fellow Mavs fans don't want anything to do with him, personally I'd take a chance, he has indescribable talent. Would Klay/Gafford be a fair package? Maybe Marin/Gafford/Hardy? I would especially like it because it would mean the Mavs are committed to youth and surrounding Flagg. Any other teams taking a chance on Green? Jazz maybe? Hornets? (Bridges/Green?)

I would take him. Collins for Green.

I'm still firmly against this. I'd much rather ride out the rest of Collins' deal than to be saddled with Green's long term. I see little chance of it ending well.

[SkyHook]

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.

There's never been anyone who tore their Achilles over the age of 32 who has come back anywhere near the player they were prior.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Would Sac go all in on Martin, AD and Kyrie?

I'm getting old. My brain cycled through Kenyon, Kevin, and Scorsese before arriving at any active NBA players.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Is the general consensus that Murphy is worth #3 alone while Herb at #7 is worth #3?

I like Edgecombe too much to trade him for either Murphy or Herb + 7, but that may be the wrong call.

[zimpy27]

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.

There's never been anyone who tore their Achilles over the age of 32 who has come back anywhere near the player they were prior.

Ok but there's also not been many elite players beyond 32 that have had achilles injuries. I think only Kobe was still elite prior to injury, most others were already average players.

[SkyHook]

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.

There's never been anyone who tore their Achilles over the age of 32 who has come back anywhere near the player they were prior.

Ok but there's also not been many elite players beyond 32 that have had achilles injuries. I think only Kobe was still elite prior to injury, most others were already average players.

Okay, but many of us will remain unconvinced until there's a counter example. Teams would be wise to be skeptical.

[jayjaysee]

Would Sac go all in on Martin, AD and Kyrie?

I'm getting old. My brain cycled through Kenyon, Kevin, and Scorsese before arriving at any active NBA players.

Just needed for salaries. Should have made it Naji.

Also just a really bad/unrealistic ides not worth defending though..

[JRoy]

Would Sac go all in on Martin, AD and Kyrie?

I'm getting old. My brain cycled through Kenyon, Kevin, and Scorsese before arriving at any active NBA players.

That’s pretty funny.

[Scoot McGroot]

Question about Beals no trade clause. If suns decide too stretch Beals contract to 4-5 years, does the NTC get waived or does it stay no matter what?

Stretch, like stretch waive? His contract would be terminated, so there’d be no contractual agreement with a no trade clause. His salary would be locked on the books for those 4-5 years and can’t be traded off the cap or anything. It’s just there.

If you mean stretch as in “extend”, then the no trade clause would still exist. It can only be added or removed if a player is signing a completely new contract. As in, they are an unrestricted free agent and sign a new contract in free agency rather than an extension of an existing contract. But also, it’s infinitely unlikely that Phx or anyone wants to extend Beal. So I assume you mean the stretch waiver.

[zimpy27]

There's never been anyone who tore their Achilles over the age of 32 who has come back anywhere near the player they were prior.

Ok but there's also not been many elite players beyond 32 that have had achilles injuries. I think only Kobe was still elite prior to injury, most others were already average players.

Okay, but many of us will remain unconvinced until there's a counter example. Teams would be wise to be skeptical.

The skepticism is baked in. Dame before the injury would have cost several FRPs, here in what I'm proposing is he actually gets you FRPs

[ReggiesKnicks]

Is the general consensus that Murphy is worth #3 alone while Herb at #7 is worth #3?

I like Edgecombe too much to trade him for either Murphy or Herb + 7, but that may be the wrong call.

That's how I feel about Essengue