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Wallace had some big hits and some big misses with the Grizz. Probably best to get some experience in there though, they don't have a ton of it in the FO.

They also hired their recently let go color guy and former Rocket Matt Bullard to a spot in the FO

Honestly it was almost exclusively misses outside Dillon Brooks. Wallace was a fairly terrible GM who got lucky with the Core 4. That said, he has been a part of the scouting department for us the last couple years and we've had some really good drafts so maybe he'll do well in Houston.

Uh.. Didn't he draft Marc??

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Wallace had some big hits and some big misses with the Grizz. Probably best to get some experience in there though, they don't have a ton of it in the FO.

They also hired their recently let go color guy and former Rocket Matt Bullard to a spot in the FO

Honestly it was almost exclusively misses outside Dillon Brooks. Wallace was a fairly terrible GM who got lucky with the Core 4. That said, he has been a part of the scouting department for us the last couple years and we've had some really good drafts so maybe he'll do well in Houston.

Uh.. Didn't he draft Marc??

Gasol/Gasol trade remember? Lakers drafted Marc.

[K_chile22]

Honestly it was almost exclusively misses outside Dillon Brooks. Wallace was a fairly terrible GM who got lucky with the Core 4. That said, he has been a part of the scouting department for us the last couple years and we've had some really good drafts so maybe he'll do well in Houston.

Uh.. Didn't he draft Marc??

Gasol/Gasol trade remember? Lakers drafted Marc.

Ah misremembered and thought they traded for the pick.

Mike Conley then! Lol

[VCfor3]

Uh.. Didn't he draft Marc??

Gasol/Gasol trade remember? Lakers drafted Marc.

Ah misremembered and thought they traded for the pick.

Mike Conley then! Lol

Technically yes though he had just been named GM and so that could have been the result of the work the previous GM did. He also technically drafted JJJ but rumor is that Zach and friends were secretly calling the shots at that point.

I could be remembering wrong, but I don't think anyone other than Brooks made it to a second contract that was a pure Wallace pick.

[K_chile22]

Gasol/Gasol trade remember? Lakers drafted Marc.

Ah misremembered and thought they traded for the pick.

Mike Conley then! Lol

Technically yes though he had just been named GM and so that could have been the result of the work the previous GM did. He also technically drafted JJJ but rumor is that Zach and friends were secretly calling the shots at that point.

I could be remembering wrong, but I don't think anyone other than Brooks made it to a second contract that was a pure Wallace pick.

If we're going off rumors didn't he want curry but ownership wanted Thabeet? Thought I saw that somewhere. Regardless, he's not calling the shots so none of this probably matters that much, not sure if he's actually scouting or managing the scouts based on his title


Edit: no idea who Tyler ward is and he doesn't cite his sources, but here's a BR article mentioning the curry thing https://bleacherreport.com/articles/505764-is-it-already-too-late-for-memphis-hasheem-thabeet

Might be bs

[VCfor3]

Ah misremembered and thought they traded for the pick.

Mike Conley then! Lol

Technically yes though he had just been named GM and so that could have been the result of the work the previous GM did. He also technically drafted JJJ but rumor is that Zach and friends were secretly calling the shots at that point.

I could be remembering wrong, but I don't think anyone other than Brooks made it to a second contract that was a pure Wallace pick.

If we're going off rumors didn't he want curry but ownership wanted Thabeet? Thought I saw that somewhere. Regardless, he's not calling the shots so none of this probably matters that much, not sure if he's actually scouting or managing the scouts based on his title


Edit: no idea who Tyler ward is and he doesn't cite his sources, but here's a BR article mentioning the curry thing https://bleacherreport.com/articles/505764-is-it-already-too-late-for-memphis-hasheem-thabeet

Might be bs

Now that you mention it I kinda remember that. Good call. I think that whatever Memphis has been doing lately has been working very well. He is supposed to have been some part of that so if he can even just bring some of the structure and strategy and then others do the scouting I think it would be a fantastic hire. Worst case scenario it doesn't go well and you bring in someone else. Also I'll be the first to admit that people can absolutely bomb in a certain role and then thrive in a different one. Just because he wasn't a great GM doesn't mean he is automatically going to be bad in a scouting/scout management role.

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Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

[Texas Chuck]

Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

I'm too lazy but someone steal the Cetlics/Cleveland Sexton/3 for Brown => Beal trade if it hasn't been done already.

[VCfor3]

Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

I kinda lean towards a third team which is what makes a potential deal interesting. There is definitely the possibility that Washington retools around Brown, but I wonder if they'd prefer a rebuilding package instead in order to not be on a potential 2-3 year clock. -

-Memphis would probably open up the entire war chest, but I expect us to be outbid. Lots of youth and picks but not the blue chip asset to get Washington excited.
-Golden State likely offers Wiseman, #7, and more unless the injury scares them off with their shortish window. Still Brown with Green, Klay, and Curry would be awesome. Poole provides some bench firepower and maybe JTA (or a tax payer MLE big during the regular season) could be the last starter.
-OKC has the largest asset stockpile. Maybe they part with a sizeable portion of it to pair SGA with a young All Star.
-I think Brown fits with Zion better than Ingram, or very well with both Ingram and Zion. I think they offer their trove of picks, Hayes, and Bledsoe as almost-expiring-filler initially but would consider an Ingram based deal if necessary. I don't know how much they'd actually add to Ingram though and Ingram would have to go to a 4th team so would get complicated. The receiving team would have to prefer Ingram over Brown or at least value them equally.
-NYK is always a possibility with their youth, picks, and desire for stars.
-I could see Toronto considering a #4+ for Brown deal. Brown is proven and would fit with FVV/OG/Siakam. Suggs or whoever is available at #4 likely needs time to develop and has the potential to be a bust. Sure they give up on a potentially higher ceiling young player, but could be worth it for them.
-SAC would make a play but I don't see them making it happen.
-MIN would love to use Brown as a PF with Edwards and KAT to elevate the defense, but without including one of those two I think it would be tough. Do they offer up a Harden draft pick package? For their sake I hope not but it'll take something drastic like that. McDaniels is a nice potential trade piece. They have additional youth as well but of lesser appeal.
-Miami probably offers a Herro based package but I don't see it getting it done
-Denver could make a fairly strong offer with Porter or Murray but I don't know if they would or not
-Atlanta has a bevy of youth they could offer in a potential deal plus their picks and the OKC likely-fake 1st.
-Detroit isn't trading #1, has their 1st tied up for a long time, and probably shouldn't go after Brown. I don't see them winning out, but Bey is a solid young player to base a package around.
-Charlotte would love to get Ball a running mate like Brown. Is Bridges, PJ, and some assortment of their picks enough to win the Brown sweepstakes?
-Chicago's package based around White feels too weak with their outstanding owed picks
-Cleveland would love to have Brown but would they part with #3+? I personally would keep the pick if I was them. Is there a Sexton plus picks package that would entice Washington enough to take it over other offers?
-Houston is just starting their rebuild so I think they'd hold off on Brown and keep their picks
-Orlando is also too early in their rebuild to pony up for Brown

The other teams don't seem like potential candidates due to various reasons such as lacking assets.

[Texas Chuck]

-Atlanta has a bevy of youth they could offer in a potential deal plus their picks and the OKC likely-fake 1st.

This is the one I love. Question is how much value do Ogongwu and one or two of the wings have? If Washington really likes Hunter then Ogongwu/Hunter/Gallo/picks probably in there someway for salary matching for Brown would be so good for Atlanta.

Capela
Collins
Brown
Bogdan
Trae

with Reddish/Huerter. Would obviously need to find some cheap depth, but that's a much better problem to have than be looking for that next star. And if Washington liked Collins it gets even better for Alanta because then you could keep one of OO/Hunter back and add another pick and keep Gallo for depth for a year or flip him to fill some other needs.

[Godaddycurse]

-Atlanta has a bevy of youth they could offer in a potential deal plus their picks and the OKC likely-fake 1st.

This is the one I love. Question is how much value do Ogongwu and one or two of the wings have? If Washington really likes Hunter then Ogongwu/Hunter/Gallo/picks probably in there someway for salary matching for Brown would be so good for Atlanta.

Capela
Collins
Brown
Bogdan
Trae

with Reddish/Huerter. Would obviously need to find some cheap depth, but that's a much better problem to have than be looking for that next star. And if Washington liked Collins it gets even better for Alanta because then you could keep one of OO/Hunter back and add another pick and keep Gallo for depth for a year or flip him to fill some other needs.

Hunters 2 knee surgeries probably squashes this deal. Dont see Washington going for collins when rhey have rui already.

[Texas Chuck]

-Atlanta has a bevy of youth they could offer in a potential deal plus their picks and the OKC likely-fake 1st.

This is the one I love. Question is how much value do Ogongwu and one or two of the wings have? If Washington really likes Hunter then Ogongwu/Hunter/Gallo/picks probably in there someway for salary matching for Brown would be so good for Atlanta.

Capela
Collins
Brown
Bogdan
Trae

with Reddish/Huerter. Would obviously need to find some cheap depth, but that's a much better problem to have than be looking for that next star. And if Washington liked Collins it gets even better for Alanta because then you could keep one of OO/Hunter back and add another pick and keep Gallo for depth for a year or flip him to fill some other needs.

Hunters 2 knee surgeries probably squashes this deal. Dont see Washington going for collins when rhey have rui already.

Yeah I think its pretty tough. Hunter has the upside the other wings don't but you are the injury thing is tough. Hawks could try the just massive picks/swaps combo but the problem with that is their core is so young unlike the Lakers or Nets.

See this is why I don't don't these kinds of deals. They are hard. I don't know how the rest of you guys do them. I feel like I struggle to get value right on relatively minor deals. That many pieces? Tough.

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Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

or Celtics just wait 1 year and sign him as a free agent

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Have no idea on if these guys are good coaches or nice but like seeing opportunities for new people rather than the typical parade of retreads.

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Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

I like the 3-team option with NO. Beal/Brown/Ingram

NO has lots of ball-handlers (including Zion as a big) and needs better defense and off-the-ball offensive threat without taking a big talent downgrade from Ingram. Brown is a very good fit, still good enough to be a #2 on a good team and young enough to fit long-term.

Ingram is more of a guy you might try and build around as a #1 on an otherwise limited team as he's better at creating offense for himself (I'm assuming Westbrook would be moved for EC filler if they deal Beal).

Or if Washington wants more of a rebuild package then there's GS.