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[Ballerhogger]

Maybe he does on a team that doesn't run their offense through their center. People have been saying for years that Simmons and Embiid aren't a good match for each other because of that.

Literally every team that people hypothesise Ben on there are some kind of fit issues. Put him with KAT! But...who protects the rim? Put him on the Cavs! But...where is the spacing? Put him with Dame! But...what is Ben actually doing on Offense when Dame is doing his thing dominating the ball?

He's just a really awkward fit basically anywhere. You need a stretch five who can still defend like a regular five, and you need a guard who can handle the ball for crunch time, but also play offball. It's just hard to find a team with players he would gel well with. It's not like dudes like Beal who would fit anywhere. Shooters fit easily (hence why the Nets work so well). Non-shooters don't

All those issues you bring up are issues that pre-exist on the team. Minnesota already has rim protector issues. The Cavs already have spacing issues. Portland already has a fit issue with Dame.

Honestly I think the Cavs solve improve their spacing by trading their poor floor-spacers to Philly-- swapping Rubio/Osman/Okoro/pick(s) or Rubio/Osman/Mobley for Simmons probably improves the Cavs' spacing by taking bad shooters out of the rotation, and Philly can absorb those guys in their rotation with Thybulle being the only non-Simmons shooting liability currently on their roster.

That’s really low offer for 76ers . I mean Ricky is main piece does that get them closer to nets, hawks , etc

[jbk1234]

Don’t think this will go well but we’ve done Sexton to death, can we bring back Garland?

Love, 2022 Cleveland first to Houston
EG, Garland, Okoro to Philly
Curry, DJ, Simmons to Cleveland

How much more is Philly owed? A first? Or more? Not sure how Okoro is valued vs Curry. Houston getting a first for the 20~ mil difference seems right?

Curry/Sexton/Simmons/Lauri/Allen with Mobley/Cedi/Rubio seems interesting.

I can't imagine a reason the Cavs would be willing to include Garland in a Simmons trade. If you're not building around Simmons, Garland, and Mobley after the trade, then there's no point in trading for Simmons from the Cavs perspective.

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[76ersForLife]

Are they?... I'm still waiting for someone to provide the objective evidence of Simmons' "massive" impact. Both RAPTOR and LEBRON (PIPM) have Beal as a significantly more impactful player. Then if we roll on over to counting stats it's hard to argue that 2 extra assists and 2 extra defensive rebounds bridges the gap of scoring over twice as many points (15.8ppg difference) on better efficiency.

Well the LEBRON stat puts them in the same tier for last season. Both 4A.

Multi year LEBRON in RS favours Beal and in playoffs it favours Ben.

Ben is on a long contract at 30m and Beal is up for a contract that will see him get 40m per season.

Also Ben is younger and hasn't been on a team that builds their strategy around him unlike Beal.


Weighing all this I have them same tier.

Why would anyone trust a stat that says Ben Simmons is a better option in the playoffs than Bradley Beal? Simmons performance in the playoffs is why we're even having this discussion lol!

Simmons struggled in the Hawks series but he was pretty good against the Wizards in the 1st round. He put up like 15,10,10 on 64% shooting and defended Beal all series.

But Beal is better than Simmons no doubt.

[76ersForLife]

Has this one been mentioned yet? 3 team deal.

Wizards get
Fox, Thybuille, Maxey

Kings get
Simmons and a Philly 1st round pick

76ers get
Beal

I think that Philly get punished here, the Kings do well and the Wizards do exceptional if they think Beal isnt going to stick around

Sixers give up alot but to me its worth it cause it removes the Simmons fiasco and you have Joel, Beal and Tobias as your core the next couple of years. It worked on the trade machine too.

[jayjaysee]

Don’t think this will go well but we’ve done Sexton to death, can we bring back Garland?

Love, 2022 Cleveland first to Houston
EG, Garland, Okoro to Philly
Curry, DJ, Simmons to Cleveland

How much more is Philly owed? A first? Or more? Not sure how Okoro is valued vs Curry. Houston getting a first for the 20~ mil difference seems right?

Curry/Sexton/Simmons/Lauri/Allen with Mobley/Cedi/Rubio seems interesting.

Rockets pass they wont no part of love contract. They already have wall if you can move wall then yes. That first rounder probably not going be top 5 pick so they cant use that to trade wall or love.

You think going from paying Gordon+DJ 45 million to paying Love 60 should be a top 5 pick?

None of Houston’s potential core is getting paid next season so don’t see why they wouldn’t sacrifice 10 million in tax room to add another first.

Seems kind of wasteful to turn down assets because you already have one bad contract.

[jayjaysee]

Don’t think this will go well but we’ve done Sexton to death, can we bring back Garland?

Love, 2022 Cleveland first to Houston
EG, Garland, Okoro to Philly
Curry, DJ, Simmons to Cleveland

How much more is Philly owed? A first? Or more? Not sure how Okoro is valued vs Curry. Houston getting a first for the 20~ mil difference seems right?

Curry/Sexton/Simmons/Lauri/Allen with Mobley/Cedi/Rubio seems interesting.

I can't imagine a reason the Cavs would be willing to include Garland in a Simmons trade. If you're not building around Simmons, Garland, and Mobley after the trade, then there's no point in trading for Simmons from the Cavs perspective.

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You don’t think Sexton/Simmons/Mobley is worth building around?

Again I’m way too high on Sexton

[kuclas]

Has this one been mentioned yet? 3 team deal.

Wizards get
Fox, Thybuille, Maxey

Kings get
Simmons and a Philly 1st round pick

76ers get
Beal

I think that Philly get punished here, the Kings do well and the Wizards do exceptional if they think Beal isnt going to stick around

Sixers give up alot but to me its worth it cause it removes the Simmons fiasco and you have Joel, Beal and Tobias as your core the next couple of years. It worked on the trade machine too.

Beal is essentially an expiring. (Player option)

Giving up
Simmons
Thybulle (basically a mid 1st round value)
Maxey (another mid first round value )
Plus another 1st round pick.

That’s why way too much to give up.

[Ballerhogger]

I think that Philly get punished here, the Kings do well and the Wizards do exceptional if they think Beal isnt going to stick around

Sixers give up alot but to me its worth it cause it removes the Simmons fiasco and you have Joel, Beal and Tobias as your core the next couple of years. It worked on the trade machine too.

Beal is essentially an expiring. (Player option)

Giving up
Simmons
Thybulle (basically a mid 1st round value)
Maxey (another mid first round value )
Plus another 1st round pick.

That’s why way too much to give up.

I agree . giving up ben and 1st rounder and maybe another one just to win this season is the most id do. I think hes headed towards Boston after his deal is up. Would they give up maxey at the deadline if they felt they were one player away from title run though?

[Ballerhogger]

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[Dat2U]

I think that Philly get punished here, the Kings do well and the Wizards do exceptional if they think Beal isnt going to stick around

Sixers give up alot but to me its worth it cause it removes the Simmons fiasco and you have Joel, Beal and Tobias as your core the next couple of years. It worked on the trade machine too.

Beal is essentially an expiring. (Player option)

Giving up
Simmons
Thybulle (basically a mid 1st round value)
Maxey (another mid first round value )
Plus another 1st round pick.

That’s why way too much to give up.

Simmons value is in the toilet. It might have been too much a year ago but the price has changed!

[toooskies]

Literally every team that people hypothesise Ben on there are some kind of fit issues. Put him with KAT! But...who protects the rim? Put him on the Cavs! But...where is the spacing? Put him with Dame! But...what is Ben actually doing on Offense when Dame is doing his thing dominating the ball?

He's just a really awkward fit basically anywhere. You need a stretch five who can still defend like a regular five, and you need a guard who can handle the ball for crunch time, but also play offball. It's just hard to find a team with players he would gel well with. It's not like dudes like Beal who would fit anywhere. Shooters fit easily (hence why the Nets work so well). Non-shooters don't

All those issues you bring up are issues that pre-exist on the team. Minnesota already has rim protector issues. The Cavs already have spacing issues. Portland already has a fit issue with Dame.

Honestly I think the Cavs solve improve their spacing by trading their poor floor-spacers to Philly-- swapping Rubio/Osman/Okoro/pick(s) or Rubio/Osman/Mobley for Simmons probably improves the Cavs' spacing by taking bad shooters out of the rotation, and Philly can absorb those guys in their rotation with Thybulle being the only non-Simmons shooting liability currently on their roster.

That’s really low offer for 76ers . I mean Ricky is main piece does that get them closer to nets, hawks , etc

In terms of win-now value, yeah, they're low. But either the pick(s) or Mobley are going to be used as centerpieces for the next trade. And if "pick(s)" is two FRPs (with Okoro counting as the value of a third pick), that kind of return is very good in terms of value and movability, and gets Philly to a point where they're at least a 50-win team until another trade goes down.

[Sportfan73]

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Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris?

[NebWolvesFan]

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Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris?

I can't imagine the Nuggets trading Murray.

[GutUNC]

76ers just signed a rookie to 3 year deal

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What possible correlation could that have?

[Sportfan73]

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Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris?

I can't imagine the Nuggets trading Murray.

16 hours ago Ben posted on his Instagram story landing in Denver, 45 mins ago driving around Colorado. Denver would have to trade Murray to make the salary work, Gordon, Barton, and green are all restricted from trade until December 15th at the earliest and they obviously aren’t trading jokic

[BlazersBroncos]

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Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris?

Denver cant afford to move both Murray and Morris.

I question his fit as well. Not just because it gives them 3 starting forwards (Ben, MPJ, AG), but moving Murray basically removes the only guy outside Joker who can get his own buckets consistently. You want a post and a wing who can score, and this relegates them to just having the post. Barton can score, but is more of a super-6th-man IMO.

Then again, this would be a pretty unique lineup:

G - Morris
F - Simmons
F - Porter Jr
F - Gordon
C - Jokic

[76ersForLife]

I think that Philly get punished here, the Kings do well and the Wizards do exceptional if they think Beal isnt going to stick around

Sixers give up alot but to me its worth it cause it removes the Simmons fiasco and you have Joel, Beal and Tobias as your core the next couple of years. It worked on the trade machine too.

Beal is essentially an expiring. (Player option)

Giving up
Simmons
Thybulle (basically a mid 1st round value)
Maxey (another mid first round value )
Plus another 1st round pick.

That’s why way too much to give up.

Obviously Sixers arent doing that deal without assurances from.Beal and his agent that he will sign long term.

[Ballerhogger]

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Simmons, Curry, and shake for Murray and Morris?

I can't imagine the Nuggets trading Murray.

16 hours ago Ben posted on his Instagram story landing in Denver, 45 mins ago driving around Colorado. Denver would have to trade Murray to make the salary work, Gordon, Barton, and green are all restricted from trade until December 15th at the earliest and they obviously aren’t trading jokic

hmmm it can’t be for Murray alone …. They lose lot shooting without curry coming back. Gordon not great shooter either …. Hmm interesting.

[Godaddycurse]

trade for recovering murray, embiid surgery and sit out the year, and try to pull off a 1 year tank?

[Sportfan73]

I can't imagine the Nuggets trading Murray.

16 hours ago Ben posted on his Instagram story landing in Denver, 45 mins ago driving around Colorado. Denver would have to trade Murray to make the salary work, Gordon, Barton, and green are all restricted from trade until December 15th at the earliest and they obviously aren’t trading jokic

hmmm it can’t be for Murray alone …. They lose lot shooting without curry coming back. Gordon not great shooter either …. Hmm interesting.

Even from a Philly fans point of view it only makes sense for Denver with Curry coming back as well