2022 NBA Draft Open Thread

[K_chile22]

If the Rockets still get tyty with two seconds to boot I will be happy

I thought Jabari would go #1 and Houston would take TyTy at #17... so y'all made out like bandits overall, haha.

I had Jabari 3, Tari 17 and TyTy 19, so I think they did well but nothing crazy. Love the fits of those three guys though

[BeiBeau]

Oh Dallas, yes. I like this very much.

He seems not remotely ready to help, but I love taking a chance on a guy with this brash confidence who will now have a major chip on his shoulder that he slid this far.

ESPN said that he shot 40 percent on spot up 3s and he shot 88 percent from the free throw line so it sounds like he clearly has really good shooting mechanics. I think if he just doesn't iso and focuses on spot ups, attacking close outs, using his athleticism and 6'11" wingspan to defend at a high level he could be the steal we need.

[babyjax13]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

[zimpy27]

Oh Dallas, yes. I like this very much.

He seems not remotely ready to help, but I love taking a chance on a guy with this brash confidence who will now have a major chip on his shoulder that he slid this far.

ESPN said that he shot 40 percent on spot up 3s and he shot 88 percent from the free throw line so it sounds like he clearly has really good shooting mechanics. I think if he just doesn't iso and focuses on spot ups, attacking close outs, using his athleticism and 6'11" wingspan to defend at a high level he could be the steal we need.

He dropped for a reason though.

Showcase 12 games: 35% FG%, 27% 3, 88% FT
Ignite Tour 13 games: 40% FG%, 34% 3, 71% FT

[BeiBeau]

Oh Dallas, yes. I like this very much.

He seems not remotely ready to help, but I love taking a chance on a guy with this brash confidence who will now have a major chip on his shoulder that he slid this far.

ESPN said that he shot 40 percent on spot up 3s and he shot 88 percent from the free throw line so it sounds like he clearly has really good shooting mechanics. I think if he just doesn't iso and focuses on spot ups, attacking close outs, using his athleticism and 6'11" wingspan to defend at a high level he could be the steal we need.

He dropped for a reason though

Agreed those efficiency numbers we bad. And don't be mistaken I had to talk my self into being this optimistic. But how much is this drop because 12 games is a small sample size and because the level of basketball in the G League isn't much higher then a pickup game? I don't know but they might be contributing factors.

[cucad8]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

The tough part is, if you zero in on Murray as the guy you want, what assets are you realistically able to extract. I think it's easy as fans to see, hey, this guy is mocked at 6, or 7, we can trade down and still get him. But if you trade 4 to say Indy for 6, and then Detroit takes Murray, you miss out on your guy, and you're down to your second choice. In the middle of the 1st, I agree, better to trade down than to reach, because better odds of getting your guy. But if you're top 5, and like a guy who is...say top 7, it doesn't seem worth the risk to me to drop to choice 2.

[zimpy27]

ESPN said that he shot 40 percent on spot up 3s and he shot 88 percent from the free throw line so it sounds like he clearly has really good shooting mechanics. I think if he just doesn't iso and focuses on spot ups, attacking close outs, using his athleticism and 6'11" wingspan to defend at a high level he could be the steal we need.

He dropped for a reason though

Agreed those efficiency numbers we bad. And don't be mistaken I had to talk my self into being this optimistic. But how much is this drop because 12 games is a small sample size and because the level of basketball in the G League isn't much higher then a pickup game? I don't know but they might be contributing factors.

Well there was 12 Showcase and 13 exhibition tour games. I added stats above.

He's good to take a flyer on for sure though. I think you may as well see what he can do in the NBA with more selective shots taken.

[babyjax13]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

The tough part is, if you zero in on Murray as the guy you want, what assets are you realistically able to extract. I think it's easy as fans to see, hey, this guy is mocked at 6, or 7, we can trade down and still get him. But if you trade 4 to say Indy for 6, and then Detroit takes Murray, you miss out on your guy, and you're down to your second choice. In the middle of the 1st, I agree, better to trade down than to reach, because better odds of getting your guy. But if you're top 5, and like a guy who is...say top 7, it doesn't seem worth the risk to me to drop to choice 2.

But the alternative could also be trading down to 6, getting some value, then trading 6 for a win-now type player (e.g. John Collins, who they were rumored to be interested in, and who ATL was rumored to want to trade for a lottery pick).

e.g. we could have seen something like:

SAC trades: 4, Holmes, Holiday, Harkless, Davis, Len
SAC receives: Collins, Brogdon

IND trades: 6, Brogdon
IND receives: 4, Holiday, Harkless, Davis, Len

ATL trades: Collins
ATL receives: Holmes, 6

[BeiBeau]

He dropped for a reason though

Agreed those efficiency numbers we bad. And don't be mistaken I had to talk my self into being this optimistic. But how much is this drop because 12 games is a small sample size and because the level of basketball in the G League isn't much higher then a pickup game? I don't know but they might be contributing factors.

Well there was 12 Showcase and 13 exhibition tour games. I added stats above.

He's good to take a flyer on for sure though. I think you may as well see what he can do in the NBA with more selective shots taken.

I don't follow the G league so I didn't know about the tour games thanks!

[K_chile22]

I think the ignite tasked Hardy with being an on ball creator when that wasn't really ever his game. Off ball scoring savant.

[K_chile22]

Now, can Houston get a 23 first by bundling KJ Martin and EG?

[OxAndFox]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

I just think Monte overplayed his hand. He asked for too much and when it comes down to it he could only end up with Murray by trading with the Pistons and they knew it.
Putting the dinner date between Murray/Sabonis/Fox out there gave Detroit the go ahead to make other plans (Grant trade) and know they end up with Ivey because Murray was #1 on Monte's big board.

[babyjax13]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

I just think Monte overplayed his hand. He asked for too much and when it comes down to it he could only end up with Murray by trading with the Pistons and they knew it.
Putting the dinner date between Murray/Sabonis/Fox out there gave Detroit the go ahead to make other plans (Grant trade) and know they end up with Ivey because Murray was #1 on Monte's big board.

It's honestly sad that the Kings didn't keep Hali and draft Ivey, would have been a great combo. Trade Fox for whatever value you could get (11?) and move forward with a really exciting young core. Albeit if they can make the playoffs that will go a long way for their reputation, so I understand this route, too, it just seems like there are/were better ways to get to that point, as well.

[BoogieTime]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

I just think Monte overplayed his hand. He asked for too much and when it comes down to it he could only end up with Murray by trading with the Pistons and they knew it.
Putting the dinner date between Murray/Sabonis/Fox out there gave Detroit the go ahead to make other plans (Grant trade) and know they end up with Ivey because Murray was #1 on Monte's big board.

It's honestly sad that the Kings didn't keep Hali and draft Ivey, would have been a great combo. Trade Fox for whatever value you could get (11?) and move forward with a really exciting young core. Albeit if they can make the playoffs that will go a long way for their reputation, so I understand this route, too, it just seems like there are/were better ways to get to that point, as well.

Fox wouldn't bring back Domas

The FO thinks Davion will be able to play (starter caliber, as some believe he was starting to show towards the end of the season when he was starting).

Trading Fox down on value would be questionable use of assets

[BoogieTime]

Not surprised Jabari went 3, and even then dude is a glorified shooter. His entire clips on YouTube are simple shots with clumsy handle

[BoogieTime]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

The tough part is, if you zero in on Murray as the guy you want, what assets are you realistically able to extract. I think it's easy as fans to see, hey, this guy is mocked at 6, or 7, we can trade down and still get him. But if you trade 4 to say Indy for 6, and then Detroit takes Murray, you miss out on your guy, and you're down to your second choice. In the middle of the 1st, I agree, better to trade down than to reach, because better odds of getting your guy. But if you're top 5, and like a guy who is...say top 7, it doesn't seem worth the risk to me to drop to choice 2.

But the alternative could also be trading down to 6, getting some value, then trading 6 for a win-now type player (e.g. John Collins, who they were rumored to be interested in, and who ATL was rumored to want to trade for a lottery pick).

e.g. we could have seen something like:

SAC trades: 4, Holmes, Holiday, Harkless, Davis, Len
SAC receives: Collins, Brogdon

IND trades: 6, Brogdon
IND receives: 4, Holiday, Harkless, Davis, Len

ATL trades: Collins
ATL receives: Holmes, 6

Brogdon is past 30 with a ridiculous injury history, Not only possibly reoccurring injuries like achilles and back, but knick knack injuries that make you question if he likes the game.

I like Collins, just dont know what Atlanta was doing with the cost

[OxAndFox]

I can't believe Sacramento didn't get some assets for trading out of number 4. Taking Murray (going to be a good player) rather than trade the pick is such a bad move.

I just think Monte overplayed his hand. He asked for too much and when it comes down to it he could only end up with Murray by trading with the Pistons and they knew it.
Putting the dinner date between Murray/Sabonis/Fox out there gave Detroit the go ahead to make other plans (Grant trade) and know they end up with Ivey because Murray was #1 on Monte's big board.

It's honestly sad that the Kings didn't keep Hali and draft Ivey, would have been a great combo. Trade Fox for whatever value you could get (11?) and move forward with a really exciting young core. Albeit if they can make the playoffs that will go a long way for their reputation, so I understand this route, too, it just seems like there are/were better ways to get to that point, as well.

I'm past the Hali trade. I wouldn't have done it personally, however, I am more than happy with Sabonis. I just love watching him play. It would have been PERFECT had the Kings traded Fox for Sabonis and had the 4th pick in this draft still to select Ivey. Two reluctant, but still good scorers and excellent passers in Hali/Sabonis flanked by a guy that has the makings of being a legitimate superstar in the NBA.

It's my opinion that Fox threw in the towel the first half of the season because the FO, for two straight years, didn't get rid of Bagley and Buddy, who didn't want to be here.
IMO it's the reason he was out with his foot for so long and he forced the FO hand. I also think it's just as much on Hali as it is on Fox why that pairing didn't work. They genuinely liked each other, but both refused to develop their game to win games of basketball which might have had an impact on their stats.

I bring this up because I don't think Fox finishes the season as he did without the Sabonis trade. When you look back to the deadline last year there were people saying the Kings, and some were Kings fans, wouldn't be able to get expiring contracts back for Fox and he is a bad contract. Heck, people are still saying it after finishing so strong. So I don't think many would have agreed (if he continued to play like he did the first half of the season) that he could bring back the 11th pick. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

[zimpy27]

I just think Monte overplayed his hand. He asked for too much and when it comes down to it he could only end up with Murray by trading with the Pistons and they knew it.
Putting the dinner date between Murray/Sabonis/Fox out there gave Detroit the go ahead to make other plans (Grant trade) and know they end up with Ivey because Murray was #1 on Monte's big board.

It's honestly sad that the Kings didn't keep Hali and draft Ivey, would have been a great combo. Trade Fox for whatever value you could get (11?) and move forward with a really exciting young core. Albeit if they can make the playoffs that will go a long way for their reputation, so I understand this route, too, it just seems like there are/were better ways to get to that point, as well.

I'm past the Hali trade. I wouldn't have done it personally, however, I am more than happy with Sabonis. I just love watching him play. It would have been PERFECT had the Kings traded Fox for Sabonis and had the 4th pick in this draft still to select Ivey. Two reluctant, but still good scorers and excellent passers in Hali/Sabonis flanked by a guy that has the makings of being a legitimate superstar in the NBA.

It's my opinion that Fox threw in the towel the first half of the season because the FO, for two straight years, didn't get rid of Bagley and Buddy, who didn't want to be here.
IMO it's the reason he was out with his foot for so long and he forced the FO hand. I also think it's just as much on Hali as it is on Fox why that pairing didn't work. They genuinely liked each other, but both refused to develop their game to win games of basketball which might have had an impact on their stats.

I bring this up because I don't think Fox finishes the season as he did without the Sabonis trade. When you look back to the deadline last year there were people saying the Kings, and some were Kings fans, wouldn't be able to get expiring contracts back for Fox and he is a bad contract. Heck, people are still saying it after finishing so strong. So I don't think many would have agreed (if he continued to play like he did the first half of the season) that he could bring back the 11th pick. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

I'm glad you guys didn't take Ivey, I probably would've liked to see you take Sharpe though personally. He seemed ideal at SG or SF.

[OxAndFox]

It's honestly sad that the Kings didn't keep Hali and draft Ivey, would have been a great combo. Trade Fox for whatever value you could get (11?) and move forward with a really exciting young core. Albeit if they can make the playoffs that will go a long way for their reputation, so I understand this route, too, it just seems like there are/were better ways to get to that point, as well.

I'm past the Hali trade. I wouldn't have done it personally, however, I am more than happy with Sabonis. I just love watching him play. It would have been PERFECT had the Kings traded Fox for Sabonis and had the 4th pick in this draft still to select Ivey. Two reluctant, but still good scorers and excellent passers in Hali/Sabonis flanked by a guy that has the makings of being a legitimate superstar in the NBA.

It's my opinion that Fox threw in the towel the first half of the season because the FO, for two straight years, didn't get rid of Bagley and Buddy, who didn't want to be here.
IMO it's the reason he was out with his foot for so long and he forced the FO hand. I also think it's just as much on Hali as it is on Fox why that pairing didn't work. They genuinely liked each other, but both refused to develop their game to win games of basketball which might have had an impact on their stats.

I bring this up because I don't think Fox finishes the season as he did without the Sabonis trade. When you look back to the deadline last year there were people saying the Kings, and some were Kings fans, wouldn't be able to get expiring contracts back for Fox and he is a bad contract. Heck, people are still saying it after finishing so strong. So I don't think many would have agreed (if he continued to play like he did the first half of the season) that he could bring back the 11th pick. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

I'm glad you guys didn't take Ivey, I probably would've liked to see you take Sharpe though personally. He seemed ideal at SG or SF.

To be honest I was dead against taking Sharpe, mainly because I just didn't know enough about him and while he looks like he could be a star, it was a risk.
The closer the draft got, I warmed up to him and while I would be nervous if the Kings picked him, I would also be okay with it because he has the boom, go big or go home potential.
That's probably because I watched a little more film on him too and there were a few that saw his scrimmages that were impressed.

[Devilanche]

I'm past the Hali trade. I wouldn't have done it personally, however, I am more than happy with Sabonis. I just love watching him play. It would have been PERFECT had the Kings traded Fox for Sabonis and had the 4th pick in this draft still to select Ivey. Two reluctant, but still good scorers and excellent passers in Hali/Sabonis flanked by a guy that has the makings of being a legitimate superstar in the NBA.

It's my opinion that Fox threw in the towel the first half of the season because the FO, for two straight years, didn't get rid of Bagley and Buddy, who didn't want to be here.
IMO it's the reason he was out with his foot for so long and he forced the FO hand. I also think it's just as much on Hali as it is on Fox why that pairing didn't work. They genuinely liked each other, but both refused to develop their game to win games of basketball which might have had an impact on their stats.

I bring this up because I don't think Fox finishes the season as he did without the Sabonis trade. When you look back to the deadline last year there were people saying the Kings, and some were Kings fans, wouldn't be able to get expiring contracts back for Fox and he is a bad contract. Heck, people are still saying it after finishing so strong. So I don't think many would have agreed (if he continued to play like he did the first half of the season) that he could bring back the 11th pick. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

I'm glad you guys didn't take Ivey, I probably would've liked to see you take Sharpe though personally. He seemed ideal at SG or SF.

To be honest I was dead against taking Sharpe, mainly because I just didn't know enough about him and while he looks like he could be a star, it was a risk.
The closer the draft got, I warmed up to him and while I would be nervous if the Kings picked him, I would also be okay with it because he has the boom, go big or go home potential.
That's probably because I watched a little more film on him too and there were a few that saw his scrimmages that were impressed.

He probably need a better environment than one the kings can offer him .