Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Darthlukey]

Sixers kindly tell Boston to **** themselves also

What did we do this time?

[Darthlukey]

The Wolves and Spurs high profile pursuit of Simmons is just as much kabuki as Morey’s inflated demands. The wolves have one borderline star (kind of a perfect opposite of Ben) who they can’t move without alienating the fan base. And nothing else that’s going to secure another borderline star. I don’t doubt that Pop would be a great mentor for Ben, but he’s too got nothing that could get the move done. But both FOs can earn a little cheap pr with the fans by going through the motions like they’re going to compete in the near term. Morey makes outrageous offers to flatter Ben and his representation about how highly his worth is valued, despite the deer in the headlights meme. Because there is a distinct probability that the Sixers are going to hold onto Ben until he’s got a chance to remind folks of his athleticism, stunted as it may be from lack of oncourt development. Dame is the only unconditional target. There are a couple of promising young guards that may be secondary targets, though the Sixers are loathe not to contend immediately with Embiid. There could also be some serious adaptation of Ben’s role with the team, both in terms of half court positioning and changes in end of game roster deployment. (Keeping Ben could surely be uncomfortable, but it wouldn’t be dull. Fans who have lived through the process are not all together unwilling to attend the good, the bad and the ugly.)

Disagree, Spurs have a glut of rotational players and picks they could trade. The problem Morey has is that no one is going to trade a star player for Simmons, especially a disgruntled Simmons coming off an extremely poor playoff showing. He's not getting Lillard for Simmons, and no one is going to gut their roster and throw for 1st rounders or whatever silly thing he wants. Lillard is a pipedream, so is Beal. De'Aaron Fox is the most realistic high profile trade target, imo

A Simmons trade will likely revolve around 2-3 solid rotational players and draft capital. If you all think you're getting an all-star in return for Simmons to put next to Embiid, you're going to be disappointed. I'm not by any means saying SA is in the prime position to trade for him, but just pointing out that they have a glut of solid young guys (Murray, White, Walker) and draft capital (their own, Bulls 1st, numerous 2nds) they could use to make a decent offer. I really, really do not believe that Simmons will be in Philly when the season starts in 2 months.

The only star to get traded for a decent return in recent memory was Anthony Davis, and that was really only because the NBA gifted the Lakers the #4 pick, and Ingram had a major breakout season when he got to NOLA

**** I hate they leapt to 4th that year

[cool93]

Sixers kindly tell Boston to **** themselves also

What did we do this time?

1) CJ for Ben is a no-no
2) Sixers sure as hell won't accomodate Lillards trade anywhere, much less to eastern team.

[Tomjas]

I just threw the pick in their to appease any woeful Sixers fans, not really a deal-breaker.

Gordon fits better next to Embiid because he can at least shoot a little, while still providing some defense. He's a much better off-ball player than Simmons. And he fits like a glove next to Harris, he can guard whichever forward that Harris can't.

No ball handlers

Barton is actually a pretty good handler and can somewhat run an offence. Having said that, way off in terms of value for Philly

Sixers are allegedly targeting a lead guard or assets which can be used to acquire one

We have solid backup guards & wings so don’t need the likes of Barton or Gordon (about to be extended and can’t be traded for a while after that iirc)

If the Simmons relationship is salvageable, biggest problem is Harris as he doesn’t fit with either Ben or Joel

[Darthlukey]

Sixers kindly tell Boston to **** themselves also

What did we do this time?

1) CJ for Ben is a no-no
2) Sixers sure as hell won't accomodate Lillards trade anywhere, much less to eastern team.

1. Ive been guilty of that one myself, but noted
2. Yeah, that would be a kick in the teeth!

[Jingles2]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjyqocx

Boston gets Lillard and Covington. This makes them better and they are trying to stay with Brooklyn and Milwaukee.

Portland gets Jaylen Brown, Simmons, Love, and Prichard. They retool the lineup, get younger, and still put out a likely playoff team. Hopes Love coming home rejuvenates his career a bit.

Philadelphia gets McCollum and filler. They get a better fit and rids themselves of a problem trying to keep Simmons will cause.

Cleveland gets off some guaranteed money in Love and takes on Horford who is owed less and has less guaranteed next year.

Edit: The Horford-Love swap could be cut out of the deal and Portland would take on Horford. As some have pointed out this may be needed for tax purposes.

[Henesey]

Celtics get cut out here, There's no way Morey would give up Simmons for McCollum while Dame walks to a division rival.

[Resistance]

Why are you forcing readers to go to another web site to see the trade?

Is Portland a taxpayer after this trade?

[Henesey]

Why are you forcing readers to go to another web site to see the trade?

Is Portland a taxpayer after this trade?

They are acquiring $93.2m in salary whilst dumping $86.7m

They are also sending Horford off to Cleveland and taking on Loves contract which doesn't make a lot of sense considering their guarantees.

[Resistance]

Why are you forcing readers to go to another web site to see the trade?

Is Portland a taxpayer after this trade?

They are acquiring $93.2m in salary whilst dumping $86.7m

They are also sending Horford off to Cleveland and taking on Loves contract which doesn't make a lot of sense considering their guarantees.

I had already added the numbers in my head and came up with a spread close to $7 million. You did the actual math and showed the spread to be $6.5 million. So I was a bit high, but close enough for my question to remain valid.

Basketball Insiders
Portland

Has them at $136,047,713 in guaranteed salary with the Luxury tax line at $136.6 million. Taking on an additional $6.5 million in salary will put them close to $6 million over the Luxury Tax line. Sending out Lillard and paying Luxury Tax because of Love is probably something that Portland isn't interested in doing.

I understand that Brown + Pritchard isn't enough outgoing salary to bring back Lillard & Covington, so Horford gets pushed into the trade so Boston can bring back more salary.

Getting it down to the bare minimum on salaries for Horford versus Love:

Horford:........$27,000,000 + $14,500,000 = $41,500,000

Love:............$31,258,256 + $28,942,830 = $60,201,086

The Love situation seems to be rather gloomy, so I have Portland preferring Horford at $41.5 million in guaranteed money versus Love at $60.2 million in guaranteed money.

Not that Portland would be eager to do the overall trade, but I do have the shuffling of Horford and Love as something very unpalatable for Portland.

[Jingles2]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygs5wyb5

Revised version

Portland gets Horford, Brown, Pritchard and Simmons

Philadelphia gets McCollum and Simons

Boston's gets Lillard and Covington.

In general I like it for Portland as they get to retool and get younger. I just can't see them winning with what they have. I like it less for Boston, but I think they want to keep up with Brooklyn and this makes Boston a bit better over the next few years. I think this is fair value for Simmons. McCollum and Simons I do think improve their team based on fit and keeping Simmons could actually hurt the the chemistry at this point.

[BullyKing]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjyqocx

Boston gets Lillard and Covington. This makes them better and they are trying to stay with Brooklyn and Milwaukee.

Portland gets Jaylen Brown, Simmons, Love, and Prichard. They retool the lineup, get younger, and still put out a likely playoff team. Hopes Love coming home rejuvenates his career a bit.

Philadelphia gets McCollum and filler. They get a better fit and rids themselves of a problem trying to keep Simmons will cause.

Cleveland gets off some guaranteed money in Love and takes on Horford who is owed less and has less guaranteed next year.

Edit: The Horford-Love swap could be cut out of the deal and Portland would take on Horford. As some have pointed out this may be needed for tax purposes.

This is moved to the Simmons containment thread.

[rzzzzz]

Can't imagine why you'd want to pair Fox and Simmons.

Defense, plain and simple. Simmons is close to a string of DPOYs.

To me, the interesting thing is Ben declaring GSW as his first choice. Cause there’s no way Ben is starting guard for them. He’d have to adapt to playing forward in the half court. And so all the talk of Green training him for a more effective role. It’s just that GSW don’t have what the Sixers need. BUT if he’s willing to do that with the Warriors, we got to expect that whether he stays in Philly or no matter where he lands, there’s now an open door to reprogramming him to play the front line. That’s where. Simmons and Fox, or any free shooting PG, suddenly makes sense.

[Toine85]

Ben Simmons and a 1st rounder for Pascal Siakam?

Philly gets a fellow Cameroonian to make Embiid happy. Toronto gets the younger player and a 1st rounder for a player that seemed to have multiple outbursts towards Nick Nurse last year.

Thoughts on the following trade?

Raptors get: Ben Simmons, Dwight Powell, Josh Green
Sixers get: Pascal Siakam, Trey Burke
Mavs get: Goran Dragic, Anthony Tolliver, Isaiah Joe

Why for Raps? DPOY-caliber player who might complement VanVleet's game very well. Plus Simmons is two years younger than Pascal. This also rids the Raps of a player who has clashed with Nick Nurse recently (Siakam) and a player who doesn't seem like he wants to be in Toronto (Dragic). It would also be a nice homecoming for Dwight Powell, who is originally from Toronto. Plus, Josh Green joins his fellow Aussie (Ben Simmons) in Toronto.

Why for Sixers? Get Embiid a fellow Cameroonian frontcourt buddy in Siakam. I can really see those two guys love playing with each other. I believe he would be the best player that Ben Simmons could fetch.

Why for Mavs? Dragic and Doncic seem like they are close and this get the newly minted max contract player his backcourt running mate to take some of the ballhandling duties off his plate.

[Lovetron Joe]

Ben Simmons and a 1st rounder for Pascal Siakam?

Philly gets a fellow Cameroonian to make Embiid happy. Toronto gets the younger player and a 1st rounder for a player that seemed to have multiple outbursts towards Nick Nurse last year.

Thoughts on the following trade?

Raptors get: Ben Simmons, Dwight Powell, Josh Green
Sixers get: Pascal Siakam, Trey Burke
Mavs get: Goran Dragic, Anthony Tolliver, Isaiah Joe

Why for Raps? DPOY-caliber player who might complement VanVleet's game very well. Plus Simmons is two years younger than Pascal. This also rids the Raps of a player who has clashed with Nick Nurse recently (Siakam) and a player who doesn't seem like he wants to be in Toronto (Dragic). It would also be a nice homecoming for Dwight Powell, who is originally from Toronto. Plus, Josh Green joins his fellow Aussie (Ben Simmons) in Toronto.

Why for Sixers? Get Embiid a fellow Cameroonian frontcourt buddy in Siakam. I can really see those two guys love playing with each other. I believe he would be the best player that Ben Simmons could fetch.

Why for Mavs? Dragic and Doncic seem like they are close and this get the newly minted max contract player his backcourt running mate to take some of the ballhandling duties off his plate.

Sixers cut Tolliver several days ago.

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[doctor him]

Looks like Pompey (local Sixers beat writer) just reported that Simmons has officially put in a trade request and will not report to camp as of now.

It's all over the local Twitter, but Pompey is decently sourced in the organization and with the players that I'll take this report at face value.

[NW]

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Here we go

[Bornstellar]

Are the posters who kept saying that Ben never said anything himself and expected him to be on the team next season changing their tunes now?

[SNPA]

Sixers get Sexton/Barnes/24 Kings first (protection)
Cavs get Bags/Kings 22 first unprotected
Kings get Simmons/Reed/100k in Cavs salary - their choice

[Texas Chuck]

Are the posters who kept saying that Ben never said anything himself and expected him to be on the team next season changing their tunes now?

I've been a skeptic. I haven't said Ben never said anything himself just that I wasn't ready to let the narrative run wild and that I thought Philly should keep him if like CJ and a first was the best offer.

And yes, I'm taking this latest report more seriously. And freely admit that it's quite likely I was too resistant to how bad the situation was.