Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[JKiddy]

MIL has a GET OUT OF JAIL CARD which they can use now and restart the franchise.

He has enough value they can likely pawn off Dame at the same time.

They have zero chance of competing in 2026 and it looks like the same will be said for 2027 UNLESS they can super tank those seasons with their own picks. There is a chance they can do that. But, as of now their future is bleaker than PHX.

If they do not trade Giannis at his peak now and let it ride and no longer contend for the next decade, would they have fumbled the bag to keep Giannis there and not compete after decimating their entire player and draft asset pool?

I want honest opinions as I know it is much easier to see the writing on the wall as an outsider. The emotional value of keeping Giannis is huge. But, the ability to win a title from 2025-2035/40 might also have some value to fans as well with a new competitive roster.

[BlazersBroncos]

They own like zero of their own FRP for years. They are a small market team who has convinced a superstar to stay long term. They wont have another Giannis level player for 20-30 years after him. It appears they have convinced him to stay, and if that is true you dont trade him. Even looking only financially at the move to keep Giannis - its a winner - the guy brings so much money to that team, moving him and rebuilding would cost literally tens of millions in revenue.

I know its hard to accept your Giannis to BRK pipe dream was just that but reality is reality.

[JKiddy]

I understand it both ways, emotionally and financially.

It is super hard to get a player like this. I am unsure which would be more valuable long term, revamp the roster to start over so you can compete in 2030 or let it ride out to then when he retires a few years after 2030 or let him go wherever he wants if he wants to ring chase at 35/36?

Ticket sales will definitely be definitively higher if he stays and competes for a title.

That is not happening so tickets will be solid with him and not competing for a title than rebuilding without him.

But, what if they got 5 first round picks, a stud young player, another great 2nd or 3rd fiddle in this draft, and cleared up the entire roster from the lesser players and brought in players a few levels above them within 2-3 seasons? Would that not also have value?

I am entirely on the fence with this one, which is why I posted this. Forget about BK. He might have wanted to go to NY in some capacity but likely decided now is not the time. He wants to see it through for another year or two (or they asked him to give them that time to figure it out like BK did with Durant).

[gswhoops]

They own like zero of their own FRP for years. They are a small market team who has convinced a superstar to stay long term. They wont have another Giannis level player for 20-30 years after him. It appears they have convinced him to stay, and if that is true you dont trade him. Even looking only financially at the move to keep Giannis - its a winner - the guy brings so much money to that team, moving him and rebuilding would cost literally tens of millions in revenue.

Yup. We went through the same debate 4-5 years ago when everyone was convinced that GSW was done and we should trade Steph and rebuild before his value tanked and we were left holding the bag. And then we won a title two years later.

[Jojothewhale]

We went through the same debate 4-5 years ago when everyone was convinced that GSW was done and we should trade Steph and rebuild before his value tanked and we were left holding the bag. And then we won a title two years later.

I don't even think there's anything wrong with a local fan wanting Steph or Giannis to spend their entire career on one team. It still ultimately is an entertainment product. There's no pressure to avoid retiring without a ring. If the players and the fans are happy with it, fair enough.

[mlloyd10]

I understand it both ways, emotionally and financially.

It is super hard to get a player like this. I am unsure which would be more valuable long term, revamp the roster to start over so you can compete in 2030 or let it ride out to then when he retires a few years after 2030 or let him go wherever he wants if he wants to ring chase at 35/36?

Ticket sales will definitely be definitively higher if he stays and competes for a title.

That is not happening so tickets will be solid with him and not competing for a title than rebuilding without him.

But, what if they got 5 first round picks, a stud young player, another great 2nd or 3rd fiddle in this draft, and cleared up the entire roster from the lesser players and brought in players a few levels above them within 2-3 seasons? Would that not also have value?

I am entirely on the fence with this one, which is why I posted this. Forget about BK. He might have wanted to go to NY in some capacity but likely decided now is not the time. He wants to see it through for another year or two (or they asked him to give them that time to figure it out like BK did with Durant).

There are moves to be made that could keep this bucks in the 4-6 range for the next two seasons. Just depends on a lot of stuff.

1. Can they resign KPJ and Trent to reasonable deals?
2. Will Doc play the young guys?
3. Can the limited options we currently have get us something ( Like Pat C/ Kuzma for MPJ )

Does a KPJ/Trent/MPJ/Giannis/Portis team get you the 4 seed?

[SlimShady83]

Just posting this quickly b4 heading to work feel free to move to general board, figured it was better suited here.

Teams are; Houston, Spurs, Wolves, Miami, Knicks

Where will he go to and will he get his wish?

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[wemby]

https://nypost.com/2025/06/11/sports/knicks-not-in-mix-for-kevin-durant-trade/
Knicks not in mix for Kevin Durant trade

Despite long speculation and reporting to the contrary, the Knicks are not in the mix to trade for Kevin Durant, The Post has learned. Durant is expected to be dealt this offseason from the Suns, with ESPN listing the Knicks among five teams who have registered interest. However, a league source said New York will not be dealing for the future Hall of Famer.

[wemby]

https://nypost.com/2025/06/11/sports/knicks-not-in-mix-for-kevin-durant-trade/
Knicks not in mix for Kevin Durant trade

Despite long speculation and reporting to the contrary, the Knicks are not in the mix to trade for Kevin Durant, The Post has learned. Durant is expected to be dealt this offseason from the Suns, with ESPN listing the Knicks among five teams who have registered interest. However, a league source said New York will not be dealing for the future Hall of Famer.

[psman2]

I understand it both ways, emotionally and financially.

It is super hard to get a player like this. I am unsure which would be more valuable long term, revamp the roster to start over so you can compete in 2030 or let it ride out to then when he retires a few years after 2030 or let him go wherever he wants if he wants to ring chase at 35/36?

Ticket sales will definitely be definitively higher if he stays and competes for a title.

That is not happening so tickets will be solid with him and not competing for a title than rebuilding without him.

But, what if they got 5 first round picks, a stud young player, another great 2nd or 3rd fiddle in this draft, and cleared up the entire roster from the lesser players and brought in players a few levels above them within 2-3 seasons? Would that not also have value?

I am entirely on the fence with this one, which is why I posted this. Forget about BK. He might have wanted to go to NY in some capacity but likely decided now is not the time. He wants to see it through for another year or two (or they asked him to give them that time to figure it out like BK did with Durant).

There are moves to be made that could keep this bucks in the 4-6 range for the next two seasons. Just depends on a lot of stuff.

1. Can they resign KPJ and Trent to reasonable deals?
2. Will Doc play the young guys?
3. Can the limited options we currently have get us something ( Like Pat C/ Kuzma for MPJ )

Does a KPJ/Trent/MPJ/Giannis/Portis team get you the 4 seed?

7/8 seed. Lopez older/worse or gone and no Dame, but you think they will do better than their 5th seed this year? Denver doesn’t take that deal btw.

[Godaddycurse]

I understand it both ways, emotionally and financially.

It is super hard to get a player like this. I am unsure which would be more valuable long term, revamp the roster to start over so you can compete in 2030 or let it ride out to then when he retires a few years after 2030 or let him go wherever he wants if he wants to ring chase at 35/36?

Ticket sales will definitely be definitively higher if he stays and competes for a title.

That is not happening so tickets will be solid with him and not competing for a title than rebuilding without him.

But, what if they got 5 first round picks, a stud young player, another great 2nd or 3rd fiddle in this draft, and cleared up the entire roster from the lesser players and brought in players a few levels above them within 2-3 seasons? Would that not also have value?

I am entirely on the fence with this one, which is why I posted this. Forget about BK. He might have wanted to go to NY in some capacity but likely decided now is not the time. He wants to see it through for another year or two (or they asked him to give them that time to figure it out like BK did with Durant).

There are moves to be made that could keep this bucks in the 4-6 range for the next two seasons. Just depends on a lot of stuff.

1. Can they resign KPJ and Trent to reasonable deals?
2. Will Doc play the young guys?
3. Can the limited options we currently have get us something ( Like Pat C/ Kuzma for MPJ )

Does a KPJ/Trent/MPJ/Giannis/Portis team get you the 4 seed?

7/8 seed. Lopez older/worse or gone and no Dame, but you think they will do better than their 5th seed this year? Denver doesn’t take that deal btw.

agree they will be in play in tourney and a first round exit at best most likely.

[Astaluego]

Would the Jazz trade Vassell for Collins, in the supposed KD trade to the Spurs... something like...
Vassell+38 JAZZ
Collins/Barnes++ 14 SUNS
KD SPURS

[shrink]

I hope that you're right. Looking forward to seeing it happen.

Me too, but since this is the trade board, I’ll mention that many MIN posters wouldn’t mind seeing the team add a vet placeholder PG. The team wants to progress after the two WCF appearances raised everyone’s expectations.

Is that the direction you would want to go? Who would be a good target in FA or via the trade assets they have (keeping at least the core of Ant, McD, & Rudy I imagine)?

It’s really hard for me right now to predict the future for the Wolves - hardest season in twenty years. With so many option and expectations, new owners, etc, it’s tough to even know if they will be able to add free agents that aren’t on vet min deals.

On the Wolves boards, there is a lot of interest in bring Tyus Jones home. Many like Lonzo Ball. Supposedly the Wolves backed off Darius Garland, even before the injury, it might be enough to simply have a vet back up for a year.

I’d also mention that MIN might be an attractive option for a point guard that is looking for his next contract. There is certainly a good chance that Conley declines, and that Dillingham takes time, so if a PG tried to name MIN as a destination, it might be a pathway to minutes, even starting minutes, on a playoff contender where Ant helps the team get seen.

[cucad8]

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Orlando has been beaten to death. Utah seems like a weird one. Unsure what a Dallas deal would look like

[Texas Chuck]

Utah is a weird one. Dallas is a hard one because Portland would have to take on future money and Dallas would have to be willing to trade a future pick. Unless the offer involved PJ/Gafford to other teams with expirings and incentives from those team to Portland.

But he makes sense in that Dallas is desperate and being an expiring the cost in assets shouldn't be prohibitive.

No idea about Utah really.

[zimpy27]

Lakers get PJ+Gafford
Mavs get Simons
Blazers get Rui+Kleber+LAL31FRP

[gswhoops]

Utah is a weird one. Dallas is a hard one because Portland would have to take on future money and Dallas would have to be willing to trade a future pick. Unless the offer involved PJ/Gafford to other teams with expirings and incentives from those team to Portland.

But he makes sense in that Dallas is desperate and being an expiring the cost in assets shouldn't be prohibitive.

No idea about Utah really.

The only thing I can think of is that Collins and Simons are both expiring and almost identical salaries, so maybe its a follow-up move to trading some combination of Sexton/Clarkson elsewhere

[mademan]

Lakers get PJ+Gafford
Mavs get Simons
Blazers get Rui+Kleber+LAL31FRP

I have PJ/Gafford> Rui LA 1st> Simons, but Dallas seems in on Simons, so who knows.

[zimpy27]

Lakers get PJ+Gafford
Mavs get Simons
Blazers get Rui+Kleber+LAL31FRP

I have PJ/Gafford> Rui LA 1st> Simons, but Dallas seems in on Simons, so who knows.

Sounds like Blazers giving a couple SRPs to Mavs will balance the trade then.

[mademan]

Lakers get PJ+Gafford
Mavs get Simons
Blazers get Rui+Kleber+LAL31FRP

I have PJ/Gafford> Rui LA 1st> Simons, but Dallas seems in on Simons, so who knows.

Sounds like Blazers giving a couple SRPs to Mavs will balance the trade then.

eh. I also dont think Dallas can really trade both of their bigs or else they'll be thin there overnight depending on AD/Lively to stay healthy (not a great thing to depend on). I think Gafford gotta go but PJ should be kept unless there's an overpay. Simons is too expensive for a guy who probably cant play with Kyrie. A lot of people talk about these bad guard defenders, but Simons is really on another level