New Start a Team Tourney:Winner Jersey Generals

[dockingsched]

haven't forgotten about this! told HW i'd get it in today but just don't have the time. should tomorrow.

[HartfordWhalers]

haven't forgotten about this! told HW i'd get it in today but just don't have the time. should tomorrow.

The man is clearly holding out or bribes.

[dockingsched]

#1 - "B" Nets Rebuild. good value on the trades that followed a set plan every well. this entry met its goal in every way and did it with balanced trades that didn't short change anyone in an obvious way.


#2 - "I" Nets go for it. again, i thought this one had good value coming and going with a firm plan of what direction everything was leading to.

#3 - 'G" Miami blows it up. i wasn't a big fan of this scenario, mostly cause the heat basically give away james and wade for very poor packages. the problem was that in the remaining scenarios, each of the focus teams is getting some pretty big steals, and to me that was more unrealistic than giving players away too cheaply.

[HartfordWhalers]

Okay, everyone please feel free and vote for your favorite new start a team scenario. The criteria where:

All entries a) must conform with the new CBA (if your unsure, check the new CBA sticky), b) be realistic in value, and c) must give any team of your choice an entirely new start for the new year. No small fixes.

And just to be clear, this means if you think a team should, then you can take any team and switch the direction management wants to take them in, without hearing No way we break up ____ regardless of the value, no way management is willing to rebuild (although thats a brilliant trade!), no way ... So post away.

Full scenarios follow in next post.

If you have an argument for one over another, feel free and post it. Thanks.

[HartfordWhalers]

Nets Rebuild

The scenario is this: Dwight Howard has been traded to the Lakers, and the Nets decide to say “wow, this team really stinks, and is going to be even worse if Deron leaves, so why even bother?” With that in mind, they rebuild around youth and draft picks, giving them an exciting and bright future.

Trade 1:

Nets trade: Deron Williams
Nets receive: Darren Collison, Paul George, a 2012 top 10 protected Indiana Pacers first round pick, a 2012 top 10 protected Los Angeles Clippers first round pick, and the return of their 2014 second round pick.

Why? The Nets get good value for Deron, though certainly not near what they gave up to get him in the first place. However, George, Collison, and the picks should help the rebuild, and George with his athleticism especially fits next to Marshon Brooks, who looks like a 20 ppg guy. This trade also creates around 14.5 million in cap room for moves.

Pacers trade: Darren Collison, Paul George, and a 2011 top 10 protected first round pick.
Pacers receive: Rajon Rondo and Brandon Bass.

Why? The Pacers are missing a good point guard that can push them to the next level. On a good contract, Rondo is a great fit with their team, and Brandon Bass gives them more depth in the big rotation. If they don’t have a need for Bass, they could always try to flip him for a starting two guard or depth at another position.

Celtics trade: Rajon Rondo, Brandon Bass, a 2012 Top 10 protected Los Angeles Clippers first round pick, and the return of the 2014 Nets second round pick.
Celtics receive: Deron Williams.

Why? They take a chance on Deron re-signing with them just like they were going to do with CP3. Perhaps most of all, they also make a push for a championship this year with Deron on the team. Further, by adding Brandon Bass to the deal, they’ll seemingly have enough to offer another max deal along with Deron’s max deal in the summer, giving them a chance at a possible Deron/Howard duo. If not, they still have all of their own picks to work with for the rebuild and can sign-and-trade Deron for some assets.

Trade 2:

Nets trade: Anthony Morrow
Nets receive: Wes Johnson

Why? Nets trade a role player, who has no role on a rebuilding team, in exchange for a young(ish) prospect that can hopefully have some flashes with the playing time that will come to him.

Grizzlies trade: OJ Mayo
Grizzlies receive: Anthony Morrow

Why? They trade for a cheap role player that can be a dynamite change of pace from Tony Allen off the bench, solidifying themselves for the playoffs.

Timberwolves trade: Wes Johnson
Timberwolves receive: OJ Mayo

Why? The T-Wolves trade for a starting shooting guard that fits with the age of the core and works impeccably with Rubio at the point. With Malcolm Lee also in the fold, they have a good young trio of guards to go forward with.

Trade 3:

Nets trade: Jordan Farmar, Damion James, Sundiata Gaines, a 2011 Miami Heat second rounder, and cash considerations.
Nets receive: CJ Watson, Ronny Brewer, and a 2012 top 20 protected Chicago first round pick.

Why? They get a first round pick in exchange for taking on the salary of CJ Watson and Brewer, which will allow the Bulls more room to work under the luxury tax next season.

Hawks trade: Kirk Hinrich
Hawks receive: Jordan Farmar, Damion James, a 2012 Miami Heat second round pick, and cash considerations.

Why? They get rid of Hinrich, who hasn’t been able to play all season, while getting another cheap backup for Teague, a middling prospect, a late second round pick, and cash that basically negates any salary that Farmar has next season if he decides to pick up his option.

Bulls trade: CJ Watson, Ronny Brewer, and a 2012 top 20 protected first round pick.
Bulls receive: Kirk Hinrich and Sundiata Gaines.

Why? They get a backup one and two, who can work well with either Rose or Hamilton, while also gaining some room under the luxury tax, which allows them to perhaps use the MLE or re-sign Omer Asik, and only losing a late first round pick.

*Since the Nets would actually be under the cap at this point, this can be two separate deals between the Nets and the Hawks and then the Nets and the Bulls., with Farmar staying on the Nets. However, I put them as one for the sake of simplicity.

The Nets roster for the remainder of the season:

Collison/Watson
Brooks/Brewer/Stevenson
George/Johnson
Humphries/Williams/Williams
Lopez/Okur/Petro

Picks:

2012 Nets
2012 Clippers (top 10 protected)
2012 Pacers (top 10 protected)
2012 Houston Rockets (lottery protected)
2012 Bulls (top 20 protected)

Needs:

Long term options at the point guard and power forward positions. The team construction would be based around the offensive talents of Lopez and Brooks, meaning defensive athletes will be in high demand for this team.

As for what they do come draft time? They go BPA, whether it is a pf or a wing. If things work out, obviously the best player to fit on that team would be Anthony Davis, who would blend in seamlessly with Lopez. If not, they draft Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist and trade Wes Johnson to a team like the Raptors, whom could have Ed Davis on the block, depending on who they themselves draft. Or they draft Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist, and try to trade Johnson for a pick high enough to draft John Henson, who would work great with Lopez, as well.

Nets Supporting Cast

Scenario: The Magic decide to keep Dwight and rock it til the wheels fall off.
New Jersey feels their chances are strong to land him in free agency so decide to completely retool the team on the fly to build a super strong supporting cast without a traditional Big 3, but instead go with a traditional Big 2 with great fit and depth and a couple young guys that can emerge to inevitably form said Big 3.


Trade #1
New Jersey sends:
Brook Lopez
Johan Petro

New Jersey receives:
Paul George
Luis Amundson

Why?
They get rid of Petro's salary and Brook Lopez's cap hold and looming free agency.
Lopez is an elite talent, but the chances he fits as a full time four next to Dwight aren't the greatest and even if he does he takes Dwight out of his most effective role as an anchor on defense and forces him into more man.

Paul George is a high level wing prospect who should be the perfect fit next to MarShon Brooks.

Amundson is salary filler and some depth for this season's playoff run.


Indiana sends:
Paul George
George Hill
Louis Amundson

Indiana receives:
Monta Ellis
Shaun Livingston

Why?
Indiana is playing at a high level right now but needs more firepower to be taken seriously as a title or even deep playoff threat. Monta Ellis provides that.
Ellis is a polarizing player though, most either think he's an excellent top shooting guard in the league or an overused negative impact chucker.
In between lies his play, but if you check when he was on strong playoff teams with above .500 records was when his advanced stats and impact were extremely high and that was long before his prime, he has definitely improved his skill set by far since then.

Livingston is the perfect starter to put next to him at the point.
They can cross check on defense and Livingston is not a scorer so he won't clash with Granger, West or Ellis and would be the type of setup man Hibbert has lacked.

Paul George is a fan favorite and certainly has a lot of potential, but you have to give to get and his legend has grown bigger then his play and likely case scenario.

Hill is a nice player, but it makes more sense for them to send him out over Collison due to contract extensions coming up for Hibbert and Monta's added money.


Milwaukee sends:
Shaun Livingston

Milwaukee receives:
George Hill

Why?
Bogut is down again and Milwaukee is going nowhere fast. They swap out guards for a change of scenery and to provide a little more punch to pair with Jennings.


Golden State sends:
Monta Ellis

Golden State receives:
Brook Lopez
Johan Petro

Why?
It's no secret Golden State has wanted to acquire a big time big man and prefers to eventually hand the reigns to either Curry or Ellis, not both.

They do both right here and commit fully to youth and upside.

Mark Jackson is no stranger to Brook and knows with a change of scenery he can meet his ultimate potential. Brook is a Cali guy and will work well with the other players on GS with the spacing and tempo they play and the big rotation they would form.

Ellis is a big time player. Maybe not as good as his numbers might paint him, but a lot better then his detractors will ever admit, so it's tough losing him, but again, have to give to get and this move makes a lot of sense for them.



Trade #2
New Jersey sends:
2012 1st round pick
2012 Houston Rockets pick
2014 Nets 1st round pick with top 5 protection
Jordan Farmar
Jordan Williams

New Jersey receives:
Paul Millsap

Why?
Paul Millsap is an excellent complimentary player that can do a little bit of everything from the 4.
He should be an excellent fit with Deron and Dwight and the entire Nets lineup going forward.
He's young enough and his salary cheap enough to be a fit for the long haul.

They ship out a ton of 1st round picks and a young big man they are high on not for the present, but in the long run, but once again it's the old adage, you have to give to get.

Farmar is a solid player and a big minute rotation guy, but the Nets need to clear salary.


Boston sends:
Chris Wilcox
Keyon Dooling

Boston receives:
Jordan Farmar

Why?
Boston picks up a good combo/point guard to play big minutes off the bench to provide a spark for the stretch run and the playoffs without giving up any assets.


Utah sends:
Paul Millsap

Utah receives:
2012 NJ 1st round pick
2012 Houston 1st round pick
2014 Nets 1st round pick top 5 protected
Jordan Williams
Chris Wilcox
Keyon Dooling

Why?
Utah has a glut of big men and their two best young prospects are both big men as well, the best prospect they have, that being their franchise level prospect playing the same position as Paul Millsap.

They have to deal one of them, Paul will bring back the better value and if kept is a guy that forces you to play him more minutes then Big Al, especially because he can only play the 4 he eats more of them.

The Jazz got off to a hot start this year as well, but to any outsider it's pretty obvious they aren't built to make the playoffs any time soon and I'm confident their front office feels the same.

Paul Millsap on the roster means they rack up more unneeded wins.

3 1st round picks including 2 likely mid teens picks in a super deep and immensely talented draft along with a solid amount of salary relief is quite good value for a player, who although very high level and high energy is more or less a role player and is certainly an undersized 4.

The O'Connor/King connection cannot be overlooked either, they guys lookout for each others best interest and get deals done. I'm not talking about 1 sided favors either, they get it done for both their teams simultaneously.



End Result and 2012 Offseason Lineup:
Lineup:
PG: Deron
SG: MarShon Brooks/Anthony Morrow/Bogdanovic
SF: Paul George/Anthony Morrow/Shawne Williams/Bogdanovic
PF: Paul Millsap/Shawne Williams
C: /


Estimated cap:
Leaves the Nets with max cap space for Dwight Howard and then the mini-mini MLE after reaching it.

Jason Kidd has already said he would like to backup Deron next year whether in Dallas or Brooklyn for vet minimum as well.

Kris Humphries would be a welcome resign, but it's doubtful he would sign for the mini-mini MLE which starts around $2.5 million and can only be given for 2 years.

That said, if they stretch Shawne Williams or find a way to send him out for pure cap or this offseason for an expiring, it opens up close to a total of $4.5 million in cap to resign him, a little more if Dwight and Deron would agree to start below max.

This is accounting for Deron's max which would start in the mid 17's and Dwight's which would start a little above 18 million.

Either way it would be open options and Shawne Williams is a much better player then he has shown in the early going so either is a valuable player.

Vet minimum guys will fill out the roster when everything else is taken care of.
That roster with Brooklyn added to the mix and ring chasers would be tripping over themselves to play there, the depth chart might be effected by it and actually probably would.


Example of Hopeful Final Lienup:
PG: Deron Williams/Jason Kidd
SG: MarShon Brooks/Anthony Morrow/Bogdan Bogdanovic
SF: Paul George/Anthony Morrow/Shawne Williams/Bogdan Bogdanovic
PF: Paul Millsap/Kris Humphries/Shawne Williams/Jermaine O'neal
C: Dwight Howard/Kris Humphries/Jermaine O'neal



Conclusion:
This roster fits well all around, has a lot of legitimate above average depth, very real and very big upside but doesn't have anyone that undermine Deron or Dwight.

They would have an identity of a defensive team that can turn you over and get out and run, yet operate flawlessly in the half court.

It's built relatively cap conscience with the flexibility to make a plethora of moves going forward whatever opportunities could pop up while still having a proper contending core.

Fin

Miami Rebuilds

Miami does the unthinkable and rebuilds.
Why?
Because these scenarios are supposed to be preposterous!

March 1st deals to include free agents:

Trade 1 w/NJ:
Bosh, Gladness
for
Lopez, Okur, HOU #1, Rights to Bogdanovic

Why for NJ:
They can't get Dwight and decide to go with another big man to team up with Deron as they go into Brooklyn.

Why for Miami:
Miami gets a C of the future along with some major financial relief and a #1 pick that has a good chance of being conveyed this year in a very nice draft. One of the better Euros not in the NBA gives Miami something additional to look forward to.


Trade 2 w/Minny:
LBJ, Miller, Pittman, J.Howard
for
D. Williams, Wes J., Randolph, Beasley, MEM #1, UTA #1, '14 + '16 MIN #1

Why for Minny:
They throw all their assets outside of Rubio and Love to Miami to form their own dynasty.

Why for Miami:
Miami continues with youth/upside and get a plethora of picks and prospects.


Trade 3 w/Utah:
Wade, Curry, T. Harris, Battier
for
Favors, Hayward, Miles, Evans, GS #1, Next Available #1

Why for Utah:
With the team performing as well as they are, they go for it and add one of the two best SG in the game.

Why for Miami:
They get some major savings here from Utah who uses the Okur TPE to absorb all the Heat players other than Wade. More picks and prospects come there way as well.



MIAMI HEAT
Cole / Chalmers
Hayward / W.Johsnon / Miles
D.Williams / Beasley / J.Jones
Favors / Haslem / Randolph / Evans
Lopez / Anthony / Okur
+
'12 GS #1
'12 HOU #1
'14 + '16 MIN #1
2 UTA #1
'13 MEM #1
Rights to Bogdanovic

Miami does these deals late enough in the season where they still finish with a better record than Cleveland and thus Cleveland does not switch picks in 2012. Their 2013 pick is top 10 protected to Cleveland, so they should keep that as well as this rebuild should take a couple years. They have a plethora of cap space starting next season to look forward to, as well as a stockpile of draft picks.

[HartfordWhalers]

Thanks. Looks like after all was said and done, there were 3 clear judges favorites. Now to see what the broader forum thinks the winner was.

[dockingsched]

voting is open to anyone and everyone right?

[HartfordWhalers]

voting is open to anyone and everyone right?

Yes!

I will redo the thread name to make it hopefully clearer. If not many people vote we can just go with the judges consensus, but I thought allowing everyone to have their say if they want it could be fun. (I've been wrong before).

[penbeast0]

It looks like you are working too hard for no one to be posting so . . .

I'm not fond of the Miami deal . . . not enough return for 2 all-time great; what you end up with is a typical young wannabe franchise with good, not great talent. Definitely the greatest change though as both New Jersey deals build around Brooks and one of New Jersey's two established talents.

Of the New Jersey deals, I lean to the first one . . . I can't see giving up 3 1sts, the 2012 one presumably unprotected from the writeup for Paul Millsap. He's a nice complimentary player but more David West than Kevin Garnett and with dealing Lopez and going with a black hole at center in the hopes of signing Dwight . . . that pick has a decent chance of being a better player than Millsap will ever be.

So, vote for Nets Rebuild deal.

[dockingsched]

Dear Trade Board,

please feel free to vote. anyone and everyone is welcome....please.

sincerely,

Concerned

[HartfordWhalers]

Dear Trade Board,

please feel free to vote. anyone and everyone is welcome....please.

sincerely,

Concerned

Lol. I'm happy to go with the judges consensus and declare a winner. The scenarios are quite lengthy (and well thought out), so maybe it isn't the best for a big vote. My idea was it might be fun to see what many people thought (people have to have a comment, at least about that Miami scenario, right?) Lets see if votes come in over the next day and if not, I will ask a mod to lock this.

[loserX]

Perhaps put the deadline in the thread topic? Perhaps that will spur a few more voters. People did actually put a bit of work into this, so I hope to see them rewarded with at least a vote for SOMEONE.

(Perhaps people still want to vote for Harden but don't see the option? )

[basketballwacko2]

I'm sorry this is completely incomprehensable!! That OP leaves me scratching my head as to what the hell are you talking about? In the first trade you have indiana sending Paul George and Collison and a 2012 #1 pick to the Nets for Deron and then talk about the Pacers sending that same package to the Celtics for a Rondo Bass package, there are just way too many thoughts going on here I can't follow it at all.

[HartfordWhalers]

And that officially wraps up the board wide voting...

Based on the judges voting the winner of the New Start a Team Tournament was
Jersey Generals with his Nets rebuild scenario.

Second place was vincecarter4pres with his Nets supporting cast scenario, and third was traderjoe with the Miami rebuilds.

There were some really incredibly well thought out ideas, thanks everyone.

[dockingsched]

congrats! NJ fans dominating this contest.

[loserX]

Nothin' but Nets!

(Trademarking that, btw.)

Well done, Jersey Generals! Congratulations to you, well done everyone, and thanks to HW for organizing the whole shebang.

[Jersey Generals]

Awesome! Thank you to the judges. A lot of great entries, and Congratulations goes to Vince and TraderJoe, as well.


This was fun, can't wait for the next tournament.

[vincecarter4pres]

Congrats JG. Well played!

[Trader_Joe]

Yep.. way to go JG!

Considering how open-ended this tournament was, I think there was a lot of great ideas out there and some real creativity.

Nets represent!

[vincecarter4pres]

New Jersey will now take all of your internets please.