Andrea Bargnani

Post #81 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:08 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:Bargs would be a perfect 6th man off the bench that can drop 20 in ten minutes. Just don't ask for rebounds or defense. Having said that, i'd over CV +2 2nd round picks

Wow how generous of you :roll:

Charlie V can't play he's pretty bad. I mean why do we even touch that deal just to get some 2nd round picks? Bargs easily has more value then this to get one of the worst contracts in basketball today.

If we wanted to get rid of Bargs we have the amnesty to do so, Colangelo would rather see how he pairs with Jonas V now before trading him.

Rapsfan07 · Post #82 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 5:00 am

Unlike most Raptor fans, I'd like to see Bargnani traded while he's still viewed as somewhat of a positive. But at the same time, deals like CV + 2 2nd round picks is a complete joke and I'd much rather hold on to him instead of moving him for this kind of package.

Blkbrd671 · Post #83 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 5:12 am

^sorry guys

i was trolling i know Bargs is worth much more than that. i'd say a bargs for beasley seems reasonable

giberish · Post #84 » by **giberish** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 5:14 am

I'd like to see Bargnani traded just to see:

1) What kind of trade package he nets Toronto, as opinions vary wildly as to his value, and
2) Does he continue to post nice offensive stats with bad D and rebounding hurting his team when he's on the court? Does he become more effective in a different situation? Does he get benched for bad D/rebounding on a team where he isn't the golden child?

Rapsfan07 · Post #85 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 5:16 am

giberish wrote:I'd like to see Bargnani traded just to see:

1) What kind of trade package he nets Toronto, as opinions vary wildly as to his value, and
2) Does he continue to post nice offensive stats with bad D and rebounding hurting his team when he's on the court? Does he become more effective in a different situation? Does he get benched for bad D/rebounding on a team where he isn't the golden child?

+1 Couldn't have said it better myself.

Barg's value is extremely difficult to determine.

AussieBuck · Post #86 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 9:22 am

Relentless88 wrote:Here are the starting PFs that I would definitely have over Bargnani (I'm going to take age and contract into consideration).

Blake Griffin
Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Al Horford
LaMarcus Aldridge

I would also consider taking Ibaka and Milsap.

Most of the other PFs are older than the above list, declining, or owed a lot of money. Some have a combination of these factors. (ex. Gasol, Amare, Boozer, Garnett, Zbo, etc.).

Hopefully I didn't miss anyone.

Ersan.

BlackIce · Post #87 » by **BlackIce** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 9:44 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Relentless88 wrote:Here are the starting PFs that I would definitely have over Bargnani (I'm going to take age and contract into consideration).

Blake Griffin
Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Al Horford
LaMarcus Aldridge

I would also consider taking Ibaka and Milsap.

Most of the other PFs are older than the above list, declining, or owed a lot of money. Some have a combination of these factors. (ex. Gasol, Amare, Boozer, Garnett, Zbo, etc.).

Hopefully I didn't miss anyone.

Ersan.

No to Ersan, but I'd take Josh Smith and Al Jefferson over Bargs as well.

AussieBuck · Post #88 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 11:52 am

Lol, Ersan is much better than Bargnani.

Alienware · Post #89 » by **Alienware** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 12:56 pm

Il mago is an excellent offensive player, one of the best big men in the league offensive-wise, he also has a lot of talent and a great hand. His limits are clearly his defense and his ability to rebound, but he's worth all the money he makes.

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #90 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 1:29 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Lol, Ersan is much better than Bargnani.

recently ersan is playing great.. Too bad he's in a contract year(huge drop off next year.. book it).. dude is a career 10 and 6.. **** outta here..

Post #91 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 1:36 pm

I think Ilyasova is for real - he's just been under-utilized in the past. And there's even room for more growth. Looking at his Euro stats, he was a more prolific 3 point shooter there. He can do what Anderson does for Orlando, except he rebounds a bit better and defends a lot harder.

lordjeff05 · Post #92 » by **lordjeff05** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 6:47 pm

As a NOLA fan I'd offer straight cap space and the sota pick. I think Bargs could be an excellent 2nd option and I think Monty could hide him on D with his scheme and the other good defenders on the team (Ariza, Okafor, Gordon and Jack are all pretty strong defenders, Jack less so when put on quick pg's but that's irrelevant to Bargs). Also, Bargs can guard some of the longer bigs that might give Meka trouble.

Post #93 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 8:13 pm

lordjeff05 wrote:As a NOLA fan I'd offer straight cap space and the sota pick. I think Bargs could be an excellent 2nd option and I think Monty could hide him on D with his scheme and the other good defenders on the team (Ariza, Okafor, Gordon and Jack are all pretty strong defenders, Jack less so when put on quick pg's but that's irrelevant to Bargs). Also, Bargs can guard some of the longer bigs that might give Meka trouble.

Very, easy yes from Toronto. Hopefully we get a top 3 pick for MKG or Lamb or at the very least Barnes with our pick if we don't win #1 overall. Then with The Minny pick I would look at Kendall Marshall here, great size at the point and knows how to play within himself and not make mistakes. If he could develop a consistent 3 point shot he could be very good player down the road. After this deal I would amnesty Calderon or Klezia and use our new found cap room to go after some really good fits like Asik, Chase Budinger, Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo or Dragic and rebuild that way. IMHO there is no way The Hornets move a potential top 10 pick and raw space for Bargs.

AussieBuck · Post #94 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Apr 4, 2012 11:10 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Lol, Ersan is much better than Bargnani.

recently ersan is playing great.. Too bad he's in a contract year(huge drop off next year.. book it).. dude is a career 10 and 6.. **** outta here..

Ersan was the better player last season and the one before too so yeah..

Relentless88 · Post #95 » by **Relentless88** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 12:39 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Relentless88 wrote:Here are the starting PFs that I would definitely have over Bargnani (I'm going to take age and contract into consideration).

Blake Griffin
Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Al Horford
LaMarcus Aldridge

I would also consider taking Ibaka and Milsap.

Most of the other PFs are older than the above list, declining, or owed a lot of money. Some have a combination of these factors. (ex. Gasol, Amare, Boozer, Garnett, Zbo, etc.).

Hopefully I didn't miss anyone.

Ersan.

Good catch. I forgot about Ersan. He was very impressive against the Raptors last time I saw him. He's also surprisingly still really young (24). I would probably add him to the list as well, but it will also depend on the kind of contract he gets.

ballislife · Post #96 » by **ballislife** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:52 am

Out of the last 11 games that Bargnani has played in and scored more than 18 points, the Raptors are 10-1. That says something about his impact on our team offensively. When healthy, he's one of the better PF's in the league, and I'm not being biased here. He's one of the top scoring PF's in the league. He can literally score from anywhere. There's not a lot of 7 footers that can say that.

Relentless88 · Post #97 » by **Relentless88** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:58 am

ballislife wrote:Out of the last 11 games that Bargnani has played in and scored more than 18 points, the Raptors are 10-1. That says something about his impact on our team offensively. When healthy, he's one of the better PF's in the league, and I'm not being biased here. He's one of the top scoring PF's in the league. He can literally score from anywhere. There's not a lot of 7 footers that can say that.

I agree, he can be deadly offensively at times. He was in great form that beginning part of the season, and the Raptors were doing well.

Over his last 5 games, he's averaging 25 points on 16 shots, very good efficiency. He's also shooting 51/42/94 and getting to the line 7 times a game. The most interesting statistic is the record during the stretch. 4-1, with the one loss against the Heat (where he played well, and the game was tied with 5 minutes to go). He's definitely looked a lot more like his pre-injury form, which is encouraging.

hillbilly hare · Post #98 » by **hillbilly hare** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 8:48 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:
giberish wrote:I'd like to see Bargnani traded just to see:

1) What kind of trade package he nets Toronto, as opinions vary wildly as to his value, and
2) Does he continue to post nice offensive stats with bad D and rebounding hurting his team when he's on the court? Does he become more effective in a different situation? Does he get benched for bad D/rebounding on a team where he isn't the golden child?

+1 Couldn't have said it better myself.

Barg's value is extremely difficult to determine.

Actually, when you "look at the stats", as they say, or at least the one stat that really means anything, is that the Raptors are much better when Andrea is playing and healthy. He is probably our only impact player at the moment, in that he's the only guy who's presence, or absence, really impacts the fortunes of the team.

I would trade Andrea if a good offer came along, but I am really interested in seeing how he does alongside a real center, which Jonas should be, though maybe in a year of two if we're realistic. I'd like to add an Asik for the time being to let Jonas break in slowly and, more importantly, to let Andrea maximize his talents while still in his prime.

hillbilly hare · Post #99 » by **hillbilly hare** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 8:53 am

AussieBuck wrote:Lol, Ersan is much better than Bargnani.

At what? Rebounding, yes. Hustle and effort, yes. Scoring, no. That said, I'd like the Raptors to make a serious effort to sign Ilyasova this offseason. An ideal Raptor offseason would be to add Rondo, Ilyasova, Asik and Anthony Morrow. Ha! We can dream, no?

hillbilly hare · Post #100 » by **hillbilly hare** » Thu Apr 5, 2012 8:58 am

Which would make it difficult to trade him for 2 mediocre guys, as some are suggesting, or pure cap space and a draft pick that may or may not turn out to be anything (and given who's doing our drafting, I wouldn't be that confident).

It is a crossroads with Andrea, though. His value will be at its highest if he continues to play like he's been playing all year when healthy. We have to remember that Jonas is coming next season and we have the cap space to add another good defensive center, like Asik. That would only make Andrea all that much better, even though he is already playing well. His max. 5 rebounds a game wouldn't be such a negative factor. He would be freer to score his 22-24 ppg on efficient shooting. If he learned to pass better (he's not that bad) our centers would get some very good looks inside.

That said, I'd hang onto Andrea unless a good offer comes along. I want to see him play a full season healthy and alongside a good rebounding/defensive center.

I would definitely love to add Ilyasova. Can play either forward spot, rebound like a PF and shoot like a SF. Must be analyzed closely re. playing great in a contract year, but he has played very well over the last couple of seasons, and his play only improved when getting starter's minutes. Doesn't look like a fluke.

We could be the Euro Raptors that so many Yank sports writers make fun of. Add Ilyasova, Asik and Dragic!!!