Offers for Kyrie Irving

[KGboss]

Being a Boston fan I would hope DA would be looking at what he could get out of a Rondo for Irving swap.

Any be get out do you mean what he'd have to add to entice Cleveland to consider?

Depends on who you ask. Rondos got the hardware and track record/playoff performances to believe he is good. Kyrie hasnt done much of anything. But he has potential.

[jbk1234]

Being a Boston fan I would hope DA would be looking at what he could get out of a Rondo for Irving swap.

Any be get out do you mean what he'd have to add to entice Cleveland to consider?

Depends on who you ask. Rondos got the hardware and track record/playoff performances to believe he is good. Kyrie hasnt done much of anything. But he has potential.

I promise that if you ask Chris Grant or Dan Gilbert, whether a guy who can't shoot, is coming of an injury, and just told the press he wants to explore free agency in 2015 is worth Irving, their answer will be no.

[Jon1798]

I think the Pelicans and Cavs would be interesting trade partners. Jrue Holiday would be a good base for a deal. I personally think it would be a step in the wrong direction. Jrue may be the best defensive PG in the league and Kyrie isn't close. But the opportunity to put 21 y/o Kyrie with 20 y/o Davis would be good for them and the league I'm sure. And just for starters, maybe after the 2014 draft:

Pelicans get: Irving, Jack, Andy V

Cavs get: Jrue Holiday, Ryan Anderson, Austin Rivers and Pelicans 2015 1st

Might not be the best, but interesting at least.

[fishercob]

I think the Pelicans and Cavs would be interesting trade partners. Jrue Holiday would be a good base for a deal. I personally think it would be a step in the wrong direction. Jrue may be the best defensive PG in the league and Kyrie isn't close. But the opportunity to put 21 y/o Kyrie with 20 y/o Davis would be good for them and the league I'm sure. And just for starters, maybe after the 2014 draft:

Pelicans get: Irving, Jack, Andy V

Cavs get: Jrue Holiday, Ryan Anderson, Austin Rivers and Pelicans 2015 1st

Might not be the best, but interesting at least.

The Pelicans would have been and interesting trade partner had they not made that silly trade for Holiday. If they had their lotto pick and Noel right now they'd be better positioned than anyone to land Kyrie or any other disgruntled star.

[Jon1798]

I think the Pelicans and Cavs would be interesting trade partners. Jrue Holiday would be a good base for a deal. I personally think it would be a step in the wrong direction. Jrue may be the best defensive PG in the league and Kyrie isn't close. But the opportunity to put 21 y/o Kyrie with 20 y/o Davis would be good for them and the league I'm sure. And just for starters, maybe after the 2014 draft:

Pelicans get: Irving, Jack, Andy V

Cavs get: Jrue Holiday, Ryan Anderson, Austin Rivers and Pelicans 2015 1st

Might not be the best, but interesting at least.

The Pelicans would have been and interesting trade partner had they not made that silly trade for Holiday. If they had their lotto pick and Noel right now they'd be better positioned than anyone to land Kyrie or any other disgruntled star.

lol, Pelicans are currently slotted at #11. You think Noel and say Jeremi Grant has more value than Jrue Holiday?? I've got some land for you.

[fishercob]

I think the Pelicans and Cavs would be interesting trade partners. Jrue Holiday would be a good base for a deal. I personally think it would be a step in the wrong direction. Jrue may be the best defensive PG in the league and Kyrie isn't close. But the opportunity to put 21 y/o Kyrie with 20 y/o Davis would be good for them and the league I'm sure. And just for starters, maybe after the 2014 draft:

Pelicans get: Irving, Jack, Andy V

Cavs get: Jrue Holiday, Ryan Anderson, Austin Rivers and Pelicans 2015 1st

Might not be the best, but interesting at least.

The Pelicans would have been and interesting trade partner had they not made that silly trade for Holiday. If they had their lotto pick and Noel right now they'd be better positioned than anyone to land Kyrie or any other disgruntled star.

lol, Pelicans are currently slotted at #11. You think Noel and say Jeremi Grant has more value than Jrue Holiday?? I've got some land for you.

You think the Pelicans would be at #11 if they never traded for Jrue?

[MNRunLeft]

Depends on who you ask. Rondos got the hardware and track record/playoff performances to believe he is good. Kyrie hasnt done much of anything. But he has potential.

How much do we equate Rondo's hardware and track record to the fact that he had 3 future hall of famers around him? Not saying Rondo isn't a good player but he, Pierce and Big Al never made a playoff run.

[KGboss]

Depends on who you ask. Rondos got the hardware and track record/playoff performances to believe he is good. Kyrie hasnt done much of anything. But he has potential.

How much do we equate Rondo's hardware and track record to the fact that he had 3 future hall of famers around him? Not saying Rondo isn't a good player but he, Pierce and Big Al never made a playoff run.

Pretty terrible comparison. Rondo only started the end of that season and Pierce was hurt almost the whole year. Celtics won 20 something games with a worse lineup then they have now.

Look at Rondo averaging almost a triple double against chicago in 09 when KG was hurt, and when he averages 21/11/7 against Miami leading the eventual Champions to an almost early kick when Allen/Pierce/and KG were playing like role players - not hall of famers. To diminish what Rondo has done in the playoffs and what that type of leadership can be for a young organization like Cleveland is a pretty terrible analysis.

[Ell Curry]

Kyrie for Milwaukee's #1 pick, Gary Neal and Zaza Pachulia.

The Cavs go back into rebuilding, lose 65 games next year after trading Jarret Jack and Thompson for picks and bad contracts. They get to start the rebuild around Joel Embiid, Exum, Parker or Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Waiters, their own 2014 pick and the 2015 pick that will be top 5 again.

The Bucks give up a top 3 pick in a stacked draft, but Irving is an RFA who will take the money when the time comes, and they can go into free agency this summer with a team of Irving-Mayo-Giannis-Henson-Sanders with Ilyasova leading the bench and about 13 million or so in cap space to sign someone who looks at those 6 players and sees a young, exciting and talented team with elite offensive talent at the 1 and defensive talent at the 5 and 2 very exciting young forwards in Giannis and Henson. David West signed on to a team like that a few years back, and maybe Deng, Pau Gasol, Randolph or Pierce would look at that team and feel the same.

Maybe they could even go get Bosh, offering him the max and freeing up the extra 5 million by trading Mayo and a couple of future 2nds to a team with a bunch of cap space that sees his 16 over 2 owed as a reasonable price for consistent outside shooting.

[Jon1798]

The Pelicans would have been and interesting trade partner had they not made that silly trade for Holiday. If they had their lotto pick and Noel right now they'd be better positioned than anyone to land Kyrie or any other disgruntled star.

lol, Pelicans are currently slotted at #11. You think Noel and say Jeremi Grant has more value than Jrue Holiday?? I've got some land for you.

You think the Pelicans would be at #11 if they never traded for Jrue?

Considering we had the 6th pick last year with Anthony Davis as a rookie and Eric Gordon missing half the season, and the fact that without Jrue we may have kept Vasquez and Lopez, or maybe taken a Burke instead of Noel, PLUS the fact that Holiday is out for the year most likely, I could argue we may finish with a better record without the trade. Nothing out of the first 5 or 6 players in this draft makes the deal worth Holiday IMO anyway. But I also realize Noel is an undersized center that weighs less than AD, can't shoot free throws and has no offensive game.

This isn't to say Sixers made a bad move. They lucked out with MCW, bottomed out this year, and have cap space. They should do just fine.

[MNRunLeft]

Look at Rondo averaging almost a triple double against chicago in 09 when KG was hurt, and when he averages 21/11/7 against Miami leading the eventual Champions to an almost early kick when Allen/Pierce/and KG were playing like role players - not hall of famers. To diminish what Rondo has done in the playoffs and what that type of leadership can be for a young organization like Cleveland is a pretty terrible analysis.

Simply stating Rondo's been successful when he's had strong pieces around him and the hardware came with 3 hall of famers around him, its a team sport and Rondo was an intrigal part of a great team but not what I consider the driving force. We've got a limited sample size of Rondo as a true lead player and and even smaller sample post injury. Saying Rondo isn't worth a 21 year old 2 time all star with a year left on his rookie deal isn't a slight imo.

[jbk1234]

Look at Rondo averaging almost a triple double against chicago in 09 when KG was hurt, and when he averages 21/11/7 against Miami leading the eventual Champions to an almost early kick when Allen/Pierce/and KG were playing like role players - not hall of famers. To diminish what Rondo has done in the playoffs and what that type of leadership can be for a young organization like Cleveland is a pretty terrible analysis.

Simply stating Rondo's been successful when he's had strong pieces around him and the hardware came with 3 hall of famers around him, its a team sport and Rondo was an intrigal part of a great team but not what I consider the driving force. We've got a limited sample size of Rondo as a true lead player and and even smaller sample post injury. Saying Rondo isn't worth a 21 year old 2 time all star with a year left on his rookie deal isn't a slight imo.

Yeah lets see what type of "driving force" Rondo can be with the Celtics' current roster. Then, maybe we will be better to appreciate his greatness.

[KGboss]

Look at Rondo averaging almost a triple double against chicago in 09 when KG was hurt, and when he averages 21/11/7 against Miami leading the eventual Champions to an almost early kick when Allen/Pierce/and KG were playing like role players - not hall of famers. To diminish what Rondo has done in the playoffs and what that type of leadership can be for a young organization like Cleveland is a pretty terrible analysis.

Simply stating Rondo's been successful when he's had strong pieces around him and the hardware came with 3 hall of famers around him, its a team sport and Rondo was an intrigal part of a great team but not what I consider the driving force. We've got a limited sample size of Rondo as a true lead player and and even smaller sample post injury. Saying Rondo isn't worth a 21 year old 2 time all star with a year left on his rookie deal isn't a slight imo.

Maybe Kyrie isnt worth a 3 time all star champion, 2 time assist leader, 2nd team all defensive player. You guys are really minimizing who he is. I understand the injury and he is an expiring - but saying one isnt worth the other is complete BS. If anything Ainge should be the one asking for extras in that trade considering. When Rondo is healthy he is a top 15 player in the league and top 5 playoff performer. Saying he isnt worth Irving is pretty laughable.

[Dupp]

^ Honestly i wouldnt trade irving for rondo and i love rondo as much as any non celtic. The injury and fact he is an expiring are major factors to me. Rondos had a great career to date and been an amazing player but i just wouldnt do it.

For me trade kyrie for good picks and or young talented players or not at all. We wont trade him anyway even though a lot of us are open to it.

[fart]

Monroe | Jennings
for
Irving | Bennett

That's horrible value. Look at what other teams' fans are offering.

Totally disagree. Getting two starters. They are both young. And they are not just starting because they are on the Pistons - they are both good enough to start on a legit playoff team. How many big young centers can you name that are better than Monroe? That doesn't have some value? And taking Bennett off your hands will let you quickly put behind you one of the worst #1 picks of all time

We'll take Drummond and your 14 pick instead.

[theBigLip]

That's horrible value. Look at what other teams' fans are offering.

Totally disagree. Getting two starters. They are both young. And they are not just starting because they are on the Pistons - they are both good enough to start on a legit playoff team. How many big young centers can you name that are better than Monroe? That doesn't have some value? And taking Bennett off your hands will let you quickly put behind you one of the worst #1 picks of all time

We'll take Drummond and your 14 pick instead.

That seems reasonable even if it goes against the "don't trade bigs for small guys" rule. Irving is established, Drummond is oozing with potential but isn't "there" yet. So good counter. One problem is that Charlotte has our pick this year, top 8 protected.

[fart]

Totally disagree. Getting two starters. They are both young. And they are not just starting because they are on the Pistons - they are both good enough to start on a legit playoff team. How many big young centers can you name that are better than Monroe? That doesn't have some value? And taking Bennett off your hands will let you quickly put behind you one of the worst #1 picks of all time

We'll take Drummond and your 14 pick instead.

That seems reasonable even if it goes against the "don't trade bigs for small guys" rule. Irving is established, Drummond is oozing with potential but isn't "there" yet. So good counter. One problem is that Charlotte has our pick this year, top 8 protected.

Hmm. Any 14 picks you have in the first round?

[MNRunLeft]

Yeah lets see what type of "driving force" Rondo can be with the Celtics' current roster. Then, maybe we will be better to appreciate his greatness.

It will be interesting to see how well he does not only coming off the injury but with less talent around and being keyed on even more by defenses than he has in the past. I don't hope he plays poorly but I also think its fair to quesiton how he'll play coming back from the injury and when surrounded by a lesser cast but apparently this is a hot button issue with Celtics fans.

[rugbyrugger23]

To Cavs: Rubio, Barea (or choose filler), and Jones (plus 1-2 first rounders from OKC)
-Cavs get Rubio to pair with scoring Waiters, and Rubio has proven to play very well in 2 guard set. Plus dump Jack contract (which I am assuming is considered negative for team like Cavs).

To Wolves: Westbrook, Jack and Perkins
-Wolves get scoring PG in Westbrook and Love's best bud to keep him in MN plus add Jack to upgrade worst bench in NBA.

To OKC: Kyrie, Pek, Bud or Brewer
-Thunder get a scoring PG in Kyrie that absorbs Westbrook loss but on rookie deal. Kyrie fits great with Lamb for a interesting-young backcourt. Pek is the HUGE upgrade over Perkins and Brewer/Bud is nice upgrade to bench.

[jbk1234]

To Cavs: Rubio, Barea (or choose filler), and Jones (plus 1-2 first rounders from OKC)
-Cavs get Rubio to pair with scoring Waiters, and Rubio has proven to play very well in 2 guard set. Plus dump Jack contract (which I am assuming is considered negative for team like Cavs).

To Wolves: Westbrook, Jack and Perkins
-Wolves get scoring PG in Westbrook and Love's best bud to keep him in MN plus add Jack to upgrade worst bench in NBA.

To OKC: Kyrie, Pek, Bud or Brewer
-Thunder get a scoring PG in Kyrie that absorbs Westbrook loss but on rookie deal. Kyrie fits great with Lamb for a interesting-young backcourt. Pek is the HUGE upgrade over Perkins and Brewer/Bud is nice upgrade to bench.

Unless Love is coming back the Wolves have nothing that would make Cleveland trade Irving.