Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

Post #81 » by **jbk1234** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:39 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Players don't extend anymore these days ... of the high end FAs at least. It makes more sense for them to opt out.

But without that guarantee, Minny won't get value. If Minny doesn't get value, Love doesn't get traded, or worse he get's traded somewhere he doesn't want to be. He'd have to agree to extend.

Maybe he or his agent would make it clear he would resign, but he won't extend.

After Dwight and LAL last year, I'm just not sure that gets it done.

Catchall · Post #82 » by **Catchall** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:41 am

Miami should extend Bosh and trade him for Love.

criteriado · Post #83 » by **criteriado** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:43 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
But without that guarantee, Minny won't get value. If Minny doesn't get value, Love doesn't get traded, or worse he get's traded somewhere he doesn't want to be. He'd have to agree to extend.

Maybe he or his agent would make it clear he would resign, but he won't extend.

After Dwight and LAL last year, I'm just not sure that gets it done.

That was all on Kobe running Dwight out of town.

kingstyyyle · Post #84 » by **kingstyyyle** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:45 am

jbk1234 wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Thats a good point. Offers should be separated into with/without an extension since it makes a huge difference.

There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Because it's true. Love can say all he wants now but there is no guarantee that he'll stay more than this next season.

criteriado · Post #85 » by **criteriado** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:47 am

kingstyyyle wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Because it's true. Love can say all he wants now but there is no guarantee that he'll stay more than this next season.

Love wants a trade now (to a team that he likes) because he wants a 5 year 100 mill deal. You can't get that deal if you don't have his bird rights.

Post #86 » by **jbk1234** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:49 am

criteriado wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Because it's true. Love can say all he wants now but there is no guarantee that he'll stay more than this next season.

Love wants a trade now (to a team that he likes) because he wants a 5 year 100 mill deal. You can't get that deal if you don't have his bird rights.

Can Minny sign and trade him?

Edit: This year.

clydestudent1276 · Post #87 » by **clydestudent1276** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:50 am

Not that I think Toronto should risk it, but their best offer would be something around
Derozan
Amir Johnson
Salmons (1 mil buyout)
#20 2014 1st
the future NYK 1st (can't remember what year but the one from the Bargs trade)
2016 1st

for

Love
(enter salary here)

Post #88 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:51 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
But without that guarantee, Minny won't get value. If Minny doesn't get value, Love doesn't get traded, or worse he get's traded somewhere he doesn't want to be. He'd have to agree to extend.

Maybe he or his agent would make it clear he would resign, but he won't extend.

After Dwight and LAL last year, I'm just not sure that gets it done.

Its going to have to and I'm sure it will as he will not extend with any team.
But, any team that trades for him will always be able to offer that 5th year and about $25m or so, which he cannot get extending.

kingstyyyle · Post #89 » by **kingstyyyle** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:00 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Maybe he or his agent would make it clear he would resign, but he won't extend.

After Dwight and LAL last year, I'm just not sure that gets it done.

Its going to have to and I'm sure it will as he will not extend with any team.
But, any team that trades for him will always be able to offer that 5th year and about $25m or so, which he cannot get extending.

True, I just think acting like it's 100% that he resigns with a team after they trade for him is ridiculous. Its not like the Dwightmare was the first time it happened.

DLeagueAllStars · Post #90 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:06 am

I will say it on this board too... Kevin Love will say who he is going to be traded to and for what. This is what happened with Chris Paul. Chris Paul said who was staying and who was going and the deal was made around that. So that is what you will see here.

If Love has two years left on his contract before is ETO, then the big haul that Minny and most fans on here are expecting would be plausible. People are going to be shocked to see how low of a return Minny is going to get in this deal.

sportscrazy · Post #91 » by **sportscrazy** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:06 am

Cleveland receives:
Nikola Pekovic
Harrison Barnes
Marreese Speights
Nemanja Nedovic

Golden State receives:
Kevin Love
Kevin Martin
Jarrett Jack

Minnesota receives:
Klay Thompson
David Lee
Anderson Varejao (waived)
8th Overall Draft Pick

DLeagueAllStars · Post #92 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:10 am

sportscrazy wrote:Cleveland receives:
Nikola Pekovic
Harrison Barnes
Marreese Speights
Nemanja Nedovic

Golden State receives:
Kevin Love
Kevin Martin
Jarrett Jack

Minnesota receives:
Klay Thompson
David Lee
Anderson Varejao (waived)
8th Overall Draft Pick

THats not a deal the Warriors FO will do. The return on defense is horrendous let alone the long contracts of Jack and Martin.

The best the Warriors give in a deal will be is Lee, Barnes, Green and 2015 1st after the draft is completed.

Post #93 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:20 am

DLeagueAllStars wrote:I will say it on this board too... Kevin Love will say who he is going to be traded to and for what. This is what happened with Chris Paul. Chris Paul said who was staying and who was going and the deal was made around that. So that is what you will see here.

If Love has two years left on his contract before is ETO, then the big haul that Minny and most fans on here are expecting would be plausible. People are going to be shocked to see how low of a return Minny is going to get in this deal.

Didn't quite work that way for Howard as he never wanted LA.
Paul wanted to be a Laker.
Melo thought a deal was finalized and he was a Net at one point despite his desire to only be a Knick.

IMO Minny will take the best offer.
Of course the teams that trade for him will like their odds of keeping him, but all it takes is a Billy King type GM or James Dolan type owner who does or orders a trade and deals with the consequences later on. Closest to that here is Boston and Ainge who would have his work cut out trying to make the roster up to par. Love might not like what he sees at first and be non committal.

All in all, I think Love will be traded to one of these teams in order of likelihood.
Boston
Chicago
Golden State if they offer Thompson
Houston if they offer Parsons
Lakers

DLeagueAllStars · Post #94 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:27 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
DLeagueAllStars wrote:I will say it on this board too... Kevin Love will say who he is going to be traded to and for what. This is what happened with Chris Paul. Chris Paul said who was staying and who was going and the deal was made around that. So that is what you will see here.

If Love has two years left on his contract before is ETO, then the big haul that Minny and most fans on here are expecting would be plausible. People are going to be shocked to see how low of a return Minny is going to get in this deal.

Didn't quite work that way for Howard as he never wanted LA.
Paul wanted to be a Laker.
Melo thought a deal was finalized and he was a Net at one point despite his desire to only be a Knick.

IMO Minny will take the best offer.
Of course the teams that trade for him will like their odds of keeping him, but all it takes is a Billy King type GM or James Dolan type owner who does or orders a trade and deals with the consequences later on. Closest to that here is Boston and Ainge who would have his work cut out trying to make the roster up to par. Love might not like what he sees at first and be non committal.

All in all, I think Love will be traded to one of these teams in order of likelihood.
Boston
Chicago
Golden State if they offer Thompson
Houston if they offer Parsons
Lakers

Dwight screwed himself by being so wishy washy. He could have had Brooklyn but he screwed that one up. So ORL said screw you and if you look at the deal didnt even take the next best players in the deal in Bynum or Iggy. So thats a messed up outlier situation all in its own.

Stern said no to the Laker deal, and when it became you can go to LAC, Paul made it known that Blake and DJ were not going to be part of deal, so that meant bye bye EG. So yes he dictated that deal and even with the LA deal, its not like they were giving up anything of value which made Paul happy too

Melo would have been okay with being a Net in Brooklyn with Deron. Lala could still have what she wanted since its the same market. Come on we know who pulling the strings on that one.

HornetJail · Post #95 » by **HornetJail** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:30 am

If Kevin Love would agree to an extension on the spot:
Zeller, Henderson, McRoberts, future top 1 protected Detroit pick, #24, #45, future CHA 1st

If Kevin Love won't agree to an extension:
blow him off and don't even bother making an offer.

I'm not a fan. The offense with Jefferson/Love would be incredible, but the interior defense would be absolutely putrid. But I'm not one to turn down true star talent. Love may not be a superstar who can carry a team, I don't think you can be a great team with him as your clear-cut #1 option, and he's probably the single most overrated player I've seen in the last few years, but the thought of Love in Charlotte does kind of interest me. With that said, zero interest in him if he's going to blow us off in the offseason.

AQuintus · Post #96 » by **AQuintus** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:32 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Boston
Chicago
Golden State if they offer Thompson
Houston if they offer Parsons
Lakers

As a Wolves' fan, I'd rank them:

1. Boston (5, Olynik, and salary filler + take back bad contract)
3. Chicago (Mirotic, Butler, and salary filler/Gibson)
2. Houston (Parsons + extras)
4. Lakers (1st (6) + extras (would be higher if they're willing to move a top 3 pick) + take back bad contracts)
5. GS (Lee, Barnes, Thompson)

The more I think about it, and the more I look at stats, the less I like the GS offer. Thompson, while a very good, high volume three point shooter, doesn't really do anything else, Barnes is a mediocre but extremely overhyped prospect, and Lee is bad salary for the Wolves.

AQuintus · Post #97 » by **AQuintus** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:33 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:If Kevin Love would agree to an extension on the spot:
Zeller, Henderson, McRoberts, future top 1 protected Detroit pick, #24, #45, future CHA 1st

If Kevin Love won't agree to an extension:
blow him off and don't even bother making an offer.

So basically the same thing either way?

Post #98 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:37 am

AQuintus wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Boston
Chicago
Golden State if they offer Thompson
Houston if they offer Parsons
Lakers

As a Wolves' fan, I'd rank them:

1. Boston (5, Olynik, and salary filler + take back bad contract)
3. Chicago (Mirotic, Butler, and salary filler/Gibson)
2. Houston (Parsons + extras)
4. Lakers (1st + extras (would be higher if they're willing to move a top 3 pick) + take back bad contracts)
5. GS (Lee, Barnes, Thompson)

The more I think about it, and the more I look at stats, the less I like the GS offer. Thompson, while a very good, high volume three point shooter, doesn't really do anything else, Barnes is a mediocre but extremely overhyped prospect, and Lee is bad salary for the Wolves.

My least favorite would be LA easily...if they keep #6
You are putting all your eggs in one basket, and if that one pick is a bust you've sent your team back for some time IMO.

I'm a huge Klay fan so I prefer that offer to LA or Houston.
Parsons is a very overvalued asset IMO.
He either restricted this year and costing you a lot of money to match...or unrestricted in a year and still going to cost and arm and leg maybe keep. He doesn't play D and is a glorified role player. He's a rich man's Budinger who you have for what will be less money.

Takingbaconback · Post #99 » by **Takingbaconback** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:40 am

DLeagueAllStars wrote:I will say it on this board too... Kevin Love will say who he is going to be traded to and for what. This is what happened with Chris Paul. Chris Paul said who was staying and who was going and the deal was made around that. So that is what you will see here.

If Love has two years left on his contract before is ETO, then the big haul that Minny and most fans on here are expecting would be plausible. People are going to be shocked to see how low of a return Minny is going to get in this deal.

Imma say it here too. You are going to be crying that the Splash Brothers have broken up by the start of the season.

DaFan334 · Post #100 » by **DaFan334** » Mon May 19, 2014 3:44 am

Denver could offer a package of Faried, Chandler, 2014 1st round pick (11), 2016 Knicks 1st round pick if Love agreed to an extension. With how Faried played the second half of the year (18.8ppg and 10.1rpg after the All Star Break), he could be a solid replacement for the Wolves. The Nuggets would probably prefer Chandler, but if necessary, I would imagine that Gallo could replace Chandler.