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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#81 » by JDLAW » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:15 pm

I_Socrates wrote:Suns will protect: G.Dragic, Bledsoe, Plumlee, Morris twins (2), I. Thomas, T.J. Warren
Unprotected: Ennis, Goodwin, Green, Tucker, Len, Tolliver, Z. Dragic, S. Randolph



The general rule in an expansion draft is that because of the CBA, UFAs and RFAs cannot be protected and cannot be drafted. With that in mind and assuming the draft is after this season, I agree with your first 7 and add Len to make it eight. Goran does not have to be protected because of his opt out clause where he will be a free agent so I move Goodwin into the protected class. Green cannot be protected or drafted.

So protected would be Bledsoe, Plumlee, Morris twins (2), I. Thomas, T.J. Warren, Len, and Goodwin.

Unprotected but ineligible for expansion draft G Dragic, Green, Randolph

Unprotected Ennis, Tucker, Tolliver, and Z Dragic

A year later it looks quite different. An expansion team might take Ennis.
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#82 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:28 pm

JDLAW wrote:
I_Socrates wrote:Suns will protect: G.Dragic, Bledsoe, Plumlee, Morris twins (2), I. Thomas, T.J. Warren
Unprotected: Ennis, Goodwin, Green, Tucker, Len, Tolliver, Z. Dragic, S. Randolph



The general rule in an expansion draft is that because of the CBA, UFAs and RFAs cannot be protected and cannot be drafted. With that in mind and assuming the draft is after this season


This doesn't matter here. Like I mentioned in the OP this would have been better done prior to the draft and FA, but it wasn't so we are going with rosters as they currently sit and thus Dragic, Green etc are available for this exercise.
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Post#83 » by ardee » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:07 pm

Lakers

Protected:

Kobe
Lin
Young
Randle
Hill
Davis
Boozer
Johnson

Unprotected and hope they're not picked:
Clarkson
Nash
Xavier

Unprotected:
Everyone else

I don't see any of our guys getting picked tbh.

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Post#84 » by jimmy keys » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:32 pm

ardee wrote:Lakers

Protected:

Kobe
Lin
Young
Randle
Hill
Davis
Boozer
Johnson

Unprotected and hope they're not picked:
Clarkson
Nash
Xavier

Unprotected:
Everyone else

I don't see any of our guys getting picked tbh.

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It's hard to find 8 players worth protecting on that s**t roster. :lol:
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Post#85 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:52 pm

My plan is to compile the list Monday morning so anyone who would like to comment for any team please get it in soon.
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Post#86 » by gswhoops » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:44 am

giberish wrote:
ChuckDurn wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Golden State Warriors

Protected: Curry, Thompson, Livingston, Iguodala, Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, Green

Unprotected: Lee, Barbosa, Craft, Holiday, Kapono, Kuzmic, McAdoo, Nedovic, Rush, Speights, Watt

The toughest decision was whether to leave Lee unprotected, but I'm guessing with a cap of only $45M, the expansion team isn't going to want to commit a third of their cap space to a 31 year old complimentary player. And if they do, we'll take the cap space thank you very much.

I was on the fence about this too, but I think you have to swap Ezeli and Lee (i.e. keep Lee, don't keep Ezeli). Doubtful you'd really get much with that TPE, and Lee is a useful player.

Funny that there was debate about Josh Smith, yet nobody else has commented about this one (yet).


I acutaly think that there's 3 options for the last unprotected spot: Lee, Bogut and Ezeli. On talent, Ezeli would be the obvious 9th man, but he's very cheap, youngish and a sure expansion team selection if available. Lee and Bogut both might get passed over. If anything, I'd expect Lee to be taken over Bogut. If an expansion team takes a couple of big $$ vets, they would want them to play, not be limited to 25 mpg for 60 games as Bogut probably is.

Bogut's contract also runs a year longer than Lee's - and I expect an expansion team would want to spend their own money as soon as possible (rather than have their cap filled for a long time with bad/questionable contracts from other teams).

I agree with the general consensus re: Bogut - leave him unprotected and he's getting snapped up, if only to use him as trade bait. Losing him also leaves us with Ezeli as our only C...not willing to risk that.

I think you're probably right though that our FO would protect Lee and we'd likely see Ezeli get selected.
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#87 » by loserX » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:20 am

Still need answers for
Brooklyn (Trader Joe, perhaps?)
Chicago
Houston (LarsV8?)
Memphis
San Antonio

I am as you all know a Utah fan, but I'll take a shot at the Spurs' list. If anyone (especially Spurs' fans!) disagree, please do ring in, I claim no authority whatsoever.

Protected: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, K. Leonard, Splitter, Kyle Anderson, P. Mills, Danny Green
Unprotected: Ayres, Baynes, Belinelli, Bonner, Bryce Cotton, Daye, Diaw, C. Joseph

Only real tough call was Diaw, whom they obviously like...but I don't see him making the cut over the previous 8.
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#88 » by HornetJail » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:32 am

loserX wrote:Still need answers for
Brooklyn (Trader Joe, perhaps?)
Chicago
Houston (LarsV8?)
Memphis
San Antonio

I am as you all know a Utah fan, but I'll take a shot at the Spurs' list. If anyone (especially Spurs' fans!) disagree, please do ring in, I claim no authority whatsoever.

Protected: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, K. Leonard, Splitter, Kyle Anderson, P. Mills, Danny Green
Unprotected: Ayres, Baynes, Belinelli, Bonner, Bryce Cotton, Daye, Diaw, C. Joseph

Only real tough call was Diaw, whom they obviously like...but I don't see him making the cut over the previous 8.

I think San Antonio's 8 is pretty clear. No expansion team is going to want Diaw anyway. Remember the last time Diaw was on an expansion-caliber roster? He literally expanded.

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Post#89 » by Hawk Eye » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:40 am

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I think San Antonio's 8 is pretty clear. No expansion team is going to want Diaw anyway. Remember the last time Diaw was on an expansion-caliber roster? He literally expanded.

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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#90 » by Domejandro » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:40 am

Chuck Texas wrote:My plan is to compile the list Monday morning so anyone who would like to comment for any team please get it in soon.

Darn, not enough time to due the whole league, haha. Here is the Western Conference in my eyes. I might get filleted on some things, but I used my previous eye tests, advanced metrics, and my unbiased demeanor ( :lol: total BS) to make the lists.

Western Conference
Southwest Division
Dallas Mavericks
Dirk Nowitzki
Monta Ellis
Chandler Parsons
Tyson Chandler
Devin Harris
Brandan Wright
Jameer Nelson (I might get hate for this, but he is a really solid back-up.)
Jae Crowder

(Raymond Felton, Richard Jefferson, Ricky Ledo, Ivan Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Doron Lamb, Gal Meekel, Charlie Villanueva, Greg Smith, Bernard James)

Houston Rockets
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Trevor Ariza
Terrence Jones
Patrick Beverly
Donatas Motiejunas
Clint Capela
Kostas Papanikolaou

(Jason Terry, Ish Smith, Joey Dorsey, Jeff Adrien, Josh Powell, Francisco Garcia, Troy Daniels, Isaiah Canaan, Robert Covington, Nick Johnson)

Memphis Grizzlies
Marc Gasol
Mike Conley
Zach Randolph
Courtney Lee
Tony Allen
Quincy Pondexter
Kosta Koufos
Jordan Adams

(Jon Leuer, Hassan Whiteside, Beno Udrih, Tayshaun Prince, Vince Carter, Jarnell Stokes, Nick Calathes, Earl Clark)

New Orleans Pelicans
Jrue Holiday
Omer Asik
Tyreke Evans
Ryan Anderson
Jeff Withey
Eric Gordon (I seriously think they are going for the playoffs and want to keep him.)
Anthony Davis (You were getting nervous weren’t you?)
Russ Smith

(Austin Rivers, Patrick Young, John Salmons, Alexis Ajinca, Luke Babbitt, Jimmer Fredette, Dionte Christmas, Darius Miller, Kevin Jones)

San Antonio Spurs
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobli
Kahwi Leonard
Tiago Splitter
Danny Green
Boris Diaw (Gross Contract)
Kyle Anderson

(Patrick Mills, Marco Belinelli, Jeff Ayers, Corey Joseph, Ausin Daye, Matt Bonner, JaMychal Green)

Northwest Division
Denver Nuggets
Kenneth Faried
Ty Lawson
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Aaron Afflalo
Gary Harris
Jusuf Nurkic (I am not a fan)
Timofey Mosgov

(Javale McGee, J.J. Hickson, Darell Arthur, Randy Foye, Quincy Miller, Erick Green, Alonzo Gee)

Minnesota Timberwolves
Andrew Wiggins
Ricky Rubio
Gorgui Dieng
Kevin Martin (Many will hate me for this, but we need his scoring.)
Zach LaVine
Thaddeus Young
Shabazz Muhammad (Keep him due to his off-season.)
Nikola Pekovic

(Anthony Bennett, Ronny Turiaf, Chase Budinger, Corey Brewer, J.J. Barea, Mo Williams, Glenn Robinson III, Robbie Hummel)

Oklahoma City Thunder
Kevin Durant
Russel Westbrook
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Kendrick Perkins
Steven Adams
Anthony Morrow (Tough choice between him and Lamb)
Mitch McGary

(Jeremy Lamb, Andre Roberson, Nick Collison, Perry Jones, Grant Jarret, the ghost of Josh Huestis)

Portland Trail Blazers
LaMarcus Aldridge
Nicolas Batum
Weley Matthews
Robin Lopez
Damian Lillard
C.J. McCollum
Thomas Robinson
Chris Kaman

(Joel Freeland, Dorell Wright, Meyers Leonard, Steve Black, Victor Claver, Allen Crabbe)

Utah Jazz
Gordon Hayward (Though I personally would flee from his contract)
Derrick Favors
Dante Exum (Though I think he is going to be dreadful)
Alec Burkes
Trey Burk
Rodney Hood
Rudy Gobert
Enes Kanter (Though personally I would save Booker)

(Steve Novak, Dee Bost, Carrick Felix, Ian Clark, Trevor Booker, Jeremy Evans, Toure’ Murry)

Pacific Divison
Golden State Warriors
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Andre Igoudala
Andrew Bogut
David Lee (They need him to stay relevant)
Shaun Livingston
Harrison Barnes

(Festus Ezili, Jason Kapono, Brandon Rush, Marreese Speights, Nemanja Nedovic, Leandro Barbosa, Ognjen Kuzmic, Justin Holiday)

Los Angeles Clippers
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan
Jamal Crawford
J.J. Reddick
Spencer Hawes (His contract is ugly, but he is great for their depth.)
Matt Barnes
C.J. Wilcox

(Reggie Bullock, Jordan Farmar, Glen Davis, Hedo Turkoglu, Ekpe Udoh, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jared Cunningham)

Los Angeles Lakers
Julius Randle
Kobe Bryant
Jordan Hill (Beautiful unguaranteed contract next season.)
Ryan Kelly
Carlos Boozer
Steve Nash
Jeremy Lin
Nick Young (I would try to get rid of his contract as fast as possible, but in reality they would save him)

(Ed Davis, Ronnie Price, Xavier Henry, Wayne Ellington, Wesley Johnson, Jeremy Tyler, Robert Sacre, Jordan Clarkson, Keith Appling)

Phoenix Suns
Eric Bledsoe
Goran Dragic
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Isaiah Thomas
P.J. Tucker
Miles Plumlee
T.J. Warren

(Gerald Green, Anthony Tolliver, Shavlik Randolph, Zoran Dragic, Tyler Ennis, Alex Len, Tyler Ennis)

Sacramento Kings
DeMarcus Cousins
Darren Collison
Rudy Gay
Nik Stauskas
Ben McLemore
Ray McCollum (Why? I wouldn’t either.)
Jason Thompson
Ramon Sessions

(Derrick Williams, Carl Landry, Omri Casspi, Reggie Evans, Ryan Hollins, Trey Johnson)
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#91 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:16 pm

loserX wrote:Still need answers for
Brooklyn (Trader Joe, perhaps?)
Chicago
Houston (LarsV8?)
Memphis
San Antonio

I am as you all know a Utah fan, but I'll take a shot at the Spurs' list. If anyone (especially Spurs' fans!) disagree, please do ring in, I claim no authority whatsoever.

Protected: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, K. Leonard, Splitter, Kyle Anderson, P. Mills, Danny Green
Unprotected: Ayres, Baynes, Belinelli, Bonner, Bryce Cotton, Daye, Diaw, C. Joseph

Only real tough call was Diaw, whom they obviously like...but I don't see him making the cut over the previous 8.


In light of this, I'll give it another day to see if we get some more input before compiling the list.
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#92 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:20 pm

My take on Chicago:

Protect:
Noah
Gibson
McBuckets
Butler
Mirotic
Pau
Hinrich
Rose(really tempted to leave him unprotected, but ultimately I think they wouldn't)


Unprotected:
Dunleavy
Snell
Mohammed
Brewer
Moore
Brooks
Jones
Bairstow
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#93 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:25 pm

Brooklyn:

Protected:
Brook Lopez
Teletovic
Bogdanovic
Karasev
Plumlee
AK47
Teauge
Brown

Unprotected:
Deron Williams
KG
Joe Johnson
Jarrett Jack
Alan Anderson
Reed
Jordan
Jefferson

I honestly couldn't find 8 guys worthy of being protected and don't even know who Brown is. I think they would be thrilled to give up any of the high-priced veterans outside of Lopez. Would love a real Nets guy to come in and correct me if this is wrong tho.
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Post#94 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:04 pm

Interesting couple of lists, Chuck. If that happens with BK I wonder if an expansion team would build a team with Smoove and DWill and cheap players like Lamb, Nelson, Ennis, etc. It would be a risk, but could also put some butts in the seats.

Where do expansion teams draft? How does that work?
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Post#95 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:07 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Where do expansion teams draft? How does that work?


They have usually picked 4th in the draft so as not to interfere with the opportunity for the lotto teams to move up into the top 3.

And yeah I think Deron might be tempting for an expansion team, and I think the Nets would be thrilled if it happened.
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Post#96 » by QRich3 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:32 pm

Domejandro wrote:Los Angeles Clippers
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan
Jamal Crawford
J.J. Reddick
Spencer Hawes (His contract is ugly, but he is great for their depth.)
Matt Barnes
C.J. Wilcox

(Reggie Bullock, Jordan Farmar, Glen Davis, Hedo Turkoglu, Ekpe Udoh, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jared Cunningham)

I don't think they'd leave Bullock unprotected, they see him as a solid building block. Doc is trying him at the starting SF already. It'd probably be between Wilcox and Barnes, depending on how Wilcox rookie season goes.
Also, is MLE for Hawes really an ugly contract? he refused a couple bigger offers just this offseason.
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Re: T&T Expansion Draft Project 

Post#97 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:35 pm

Hawes contract is great for a very good 3rd big. If anything he's underpaid.
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Post#98 » by Smitty731 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:39 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:Brooklyn:

Protected:
Brook Lopez
Teletovic
Bogdanovic
Karasev
Plumlee
AK47
Teauge
Brown

Unprotected:
Deron Williams
KG
Joe Johnson
Jarrett Jack
Alan Anderson
Reed
Jordan
Jefferson

I honestly couldn't find 8 guys worthy of being protected and don't even know who Brown is. I think they would be thrilled to give up any of the high-priced veterans outside of Lopez. Would love a real Nets guy to come in and correct me if this is wrong tho.


I think they would keep Joe Johnson. As overpaid as he is, they need him. I would switch him for Teague. I'd also switch Alan Anderson (who was actually good for them!) for Brown.
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Post#99 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:41 pm

Thanks for input Smitty. Hopefully a Nets fan of whom we have quite a few, will step in with some thoughts as well.
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Post#100 » by Smitty731 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:42 pm

I can't remember seeing a single Grizzlies fan here, so I'll do them.

Protected - Adams, Allen, Carter, Conley Jr., Gasol, Koufos, Randolph, Stokes

Unprotected - Calathes, Lee, Leuer, Pondexter, Prince, Udrih, all the non-guaranteed guys

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