Toronto/Orlando

[Asif16]

T. Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Is this serious?

If so, how about M. Hezonja + Zimmerman + LAL 1st round Pick for Lowry?

Lol yeah im def serious.

You seriously just compare Lowry to Ibaka?

[Colbinii]

T. Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Is this serious?

If so, how about M. Hezonja + Zimmerman + LAL 1st round Pick for Lowry?

Besides this deal not being fair, and besides Lowry and Ibaka not being comparable both in terms of players or in terms of contract, Toronto was on the door step of the NBA Finals last year while Orlando is on the door-step of an 8th seed playoff fodder.

[Asif16]

What does Orlando really want for Ibaka?

Just as a precursor, no team is offering a lottery pick and a young player.

Which is why a trade for Ibaka is not happening. Magic have no intention to explore the trade market for him. Unless some team really wants him for a playoff run and offers young player or a top 10 pick, Magic have no intention to entertain the offer. That's how much they value Ibaka. People don't realize that oladipo was prob hennigans favorite player. To trade him was almost unimaginable. So the player you get in return, you can can damn we'll be sure that we intend to keep around.

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

[Skin]

What does Orlando really want for Ibaka?

Just as a precursor, no team is offering a lottery pick and a young player.

Which is why a trade for Ibaka is not happening. Magic have no intention to explore the trade market for him. Unless some team really wants him for a playoff run and offers young player or a top 10 pick, Magic have no intention to entertain the offer. That's how much they value Ibaka. People don't realize that oladipo was prob hennigans favorite player. To trade him was almost unimaginable. So the player you get in return, you can can damn we'll be sure that we intend to keep around.

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

Wow, you're bitter. Your offer was weak. Get over it.

Does this have something to do with losing Biyombo for nothing?

[bondom34]

What does Orlando really want for Ibaka?

Just as a precursor, no team is offering a lottery pick and a young player.

Which is why a trade for Ibaka is not happening. Magic have no intention to explore the trade market for him. Unless some team really wants him for a playoff run and offers young player or a top 10 pick, Magic have no intention to entertain the offer. That's how much they value Ibaka. People don't realize that oladipo was prob hennigans favorite player. To trade him was almost unimaginable. So the player you get in return, you can can damn we'll be sure that we intend to keep around.

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

So you know his intent well beforehand? Because otherwise this is nothing but baseless speculation and sounds like you're trying to lowball a team based on perceived superiority. There's no reason he wouldn't just stay in Orlando, who can offer him more money and a place he seems to fit well so far. If you really wanted him that badly, the offer should be better.

[Skin]

T. Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Is this serious?

If so, how about M. Hezonja + Zimmerman + LAL 1st round Pick for Lowry?

Lol yeah im def serious.

You seriously just compare Lowry to Ibaka?

OK, I see what I'm dealing with here. I can happily move on.

[Asif16]

T. Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Lowry/Joseph
Derozan/Powell
Carroll
Ibaka/Patterson
Val/Sullinger

A lot of depth to take a run for the top. Thoughts?

I think this is an excellent offer. The Magic can move Aaron Gordon to be their small ball 4, where he should be. Add a much needed 3 and D guy in Ross.

Toronto finds more playing time for Powell while solving their PF search.

Well done.

Thanks man, but obviously most magic fans dont like it and are intent on keeping Ibaka.

Orlando's message from the start was "Playoffs of bust", if recall correctly. If the magic were in a playoff spot right now or even think they can make the playoffs, i dont make this proposal.

[Asif16]

Which is why a trade for Ibaka is not happening. Magic have no intention to explore the trade market for him. Unless some team really wants him for a playoff run and offers young player or a top 10 pick, Magic have no intention to entertain the offer. That's how much they value Ibaka. People don't realize that oladipo was prob hennigans favorite player. To trade him was almost unimaginable. So the player you get in return, you can can damn we'll be sure that we intend to keep around.

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

Wow, you're bitter. Your offer was weak. Get over it.

Does this have something to do with losing Biyombo for nothing?

We lost biyombo for nothing? We never traded for biyombo. It was a $3mill dollar contract lmao. You expected us to trade biyombo last year when we were battling for the 1st seed?

[Asif16]

Which is why a trade for Ibaka is not happening. Magic have no intention to explore the trade market for him. Unless some team really wants him for a playoff run and offers young player or a top 10 pick, Magic have no intention to entertain the offer. That's how much they value Ibaka. People don't realize that oladipo was prob hennigans favorite player. To trade him was almost unimaginable. So the player you get in return, you can can damn we'll be sure that we intend to keep around.

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

So you know his intent well beforehand? Because otherwise this is nothing but baseless speculation and sounds like you're trying to lowball a team based on perceived superiority. There's no reason he wouldn't just stay in Orlando, who can offer him more money and a place he seems to fit well so far. If you really wanted him that badly, the offer should be better.

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

[bondom34]

Then get ready to lose him for nothing. Regardless of what he said on "Media Day", orlando is gonna be a bottom barrel team most likely by the trade deadline and by the end of the season, I cant see Ibaka attracted to that at all.

Losing Ibaka, Oladip and Sabonis for nothing, is terrible asset management and a firing waiting to happen. Your GM's fate pretty much rests on ibaka resigning. I wish you all the best if thats the case

So you know his intent well beforehand? Because otherwise this is nothing but baseless speculation and sounds like you're trying to lowball a team based on perceived superiority. There's no reason he wouldn't just stay in Orlando, who can offer him more money and a place he seems to fit well so far. If you really wanted him that badly, the offer should be better.

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

[Rapcity_11]

Sure, but I disagree with that philosophy. Basically, Orlando would have to spend 2-3 years to just bottom out, then another 3-4 years trying to hit on a player, and then it is 2025, no coach wants to go there, and they could end up like Philly with both young prospects being injury-prone.

I think they could jump start a rebuild pretty quick by trading Fournier, Ibaka and Vucevic.

It's not an ideal choice. It is however, better than toiling in the 11-8 range in the East.

This is true. I don't disagree with this, I just think we have different philosophies on how to handle the situation.

Assuming they move all of them, realistically, what do you expect they could get?

Fournier: 10-14 lotto
Ibaka: 7-12 lotto
Vucevic: Tank Commander!

Something like that, sure.

[Rapcity_11]

So you know his intent well beforehand? Because otherwise this is nothing but baseless speculation and sounds like you're trying to lowball a team based on perceived superiority. There's no reason he wouldn't just stay in Orlando, who can offer him more money and a place he seems to fit well so far. If you really wanted him that badly, the offer should be better.

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Does anyone think this is fair?

[bondom34]

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Does anyone think this is fair?

The OP?

A few on page 1 did I think.

[Asif16]

So you know his intent well beforehand? Because otherwise this is nothing but baseless speculation and sounds like you're trying to lowball a team based on perceived superiority. There's no reason he wouldn't just stay in Orlando, who can offer him more money and a place he seems to fit well so far. If you really wanted him that badly, the offer should be better.

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Never said that either, stop putting words in my mouth. The severity of the situation is what im talkin about.

If the magic was in the thick of things in the playoff hunt, this conversation never happens. On top of that, they traded away one of their star players in Oladipo for a player they thought would help them make the playoffs.

So not only could they be a bottom barrel team, they could POTENTIALLY lose the player they traded oladipo for. So in a year, they COULD lose oladipo, sabonis and Ibaka for crap.

Thats why i keep saying its a huge gamble/risk to take. But ive also said numerous times if magic fans are confident they an resign ibaka, then all the power to them. I wish all the luck.

[bondom34]

I never said i knew his intent beforehand, but im saying thats a huge gamble/risk to take. Plus Many people on here said the offer is fair. Some didnt, including yourself. So its 50/50 right now, you can see why I dont think this offer is bad by any means.

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Never said that either, stop putting words in my mouth. The severity of the situation is what im talkin about.

If the magic was in the thick of things in the playoff hunt, this conversation never happens. On top of that, they traded away one of their star players in Oladipo for a player they thought would help them make the playoffs.

So not only could they be a bottom barrel team, they could POTENTIALLY lose the player they traded oladipo for. So in a year, they COULD lose oladipo, sabonis and Ibaka for crap.

Thats why i keep saying its a huge gamble/risk to take. But ive also said numerous times if magic fans are confident they an resign ibaka, then all the power to them. I wish all the luck.

OK then. That's a pretty easy risk to take.

[Rapcity_11]

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Does anyone think this is fair?

The OP?

A few on page 1 did I think.

Oh true, a Houston fan and a Lakers fan like it for Orlando. Plus the OP that makes 3. The majority of which aren't Raptors fans.

[Asif16]

So you should always trade your good expiring players. I love this rationale.

Also, note that most of those who think this is fair (not all, but most) are Toronto fans.

Never said that either, stop putting words in my mouth. The severity of the situation is what im talkin about.

If the magic was in the thick of things in the playoff hunt, this conversation never happens. On top of that, they traded away one of their star players in Oladipo for a player they thought would help them make the playoffs.

So not only could they be a bottom barrel team, they could POTENTIALLY lose the player they traded oladipo for. So in a year, they COULD lose oladipo, sabonis and Ibaka for crap.

Thats why i keep saying its a huge gamble/risk to take. But ive also said numerous times if magic fans are confident they an resign ibaka, then all the power to them. I wish all the luck.

OK then. That's a pretty easy risk to take.

Lol if you say so

[DreamTeam09]

If not ibaka then gordon needs ti be in Toronto. One of the two. We have Ross + picks as a table setter. Orlando needs some scoring punch and shooters!!! Orlando what would be a reasonable offer???

[bondom34]

Does anyone think this is fair?

The OP?

A few on page 1 did I think.

Oh true, a Houston fan and a Lakers fan like it for Orlando. Plus the OP that makes 3. The majority of which aren't Raptors fans.

Go onto the second page.

[bondom34]

Never said that either, stop putting words in my mouth. The severity of the situation is what im talkin about.

If the magic was in the thick of things in the playoff hunt, this conversation never happens. On top of that, they traded away one of their star players in Oladipo for a player they thought would help them make the playoffs.

So not only could they be a bottom barrel team, they could POTENTIALLY lose the player they traded oladipo for. So in a year, they COULD lose oladipo, sabonis and Ibaka for crap.

Thats why i keep saying its a huge gamble/risk to take. But ive also said numerous times if magic fans are confident they an resign ibaka, then all the power to them. I wish all the luck.

OK then. That's a pretty easy risk to take.

Lol if you say so

I mean, if this is the offer yeah. If you want to make a good offer maybe not.