Woj: Paul George informs Pacers he plans to leave them in 2018 free agency, prefers Lakers.

[damecurry]

If said team isn't clev or gsw, it won't matter

Disagree. Put this guy on SAS LAC BOS TOR and you're in the mix

I'll give you the Spurs, the other, no

No way, not even the Spurs. Who's the Point? Patty Mills? Who are their bigs? LMA and hopefully a replacement for Pau if opts out but probably just Pau? No chance a lineup of: Mills/PG/Kawhi/LMA/Pau challenges Curry/Klay/Andre/KD/Dray. Not even close. The wing really isn't where the Spurs need help, they've got Danny, J. Simmons looks solid, they're fine there. They're gonna need a point and a 2nd big to play with LMA, if CP3 goes there I give them much better odds of making noise than if PG does.

None of those other teams move the needle just with the PG addition. That's what's so crazy about the Warriors, except for the Cavs no-one is 1 step away from competing with them. Everyone is at least 2. If Boston trades for PG and then signs Hayward than on paper they're in the convo except that brand new group isn't gonna gel right away and then you have to convince PG to stay the next year. What does LAC even trade for him? Have to be DAj or a S&T with Blake, Cp3/PG/DAJ or Cp3/PG/Blake, nice team but not beating the Ws. TOR? Are we joking around now?

[RRFB]

You can definitely expect Denver to get in on this. This is exactly the kind of risk they need to take right now.

[wolves_89]

I wonder if the Celtics will take a flier on George since the cost to acquire him just dropped considerably. He would be a lot cheaper to get than Butler and maybe a good season in Boston would convince him to stay (plus they would be able to offer the most money).

[NoZoLakers]

Jc/28th/1 or 2 future unprotected 1st for Ellis or big Al and Pg....thats more than fair

[GFreak34]

Ok, so Mr Paul George.

The Pacers have treated you like a prince and now not only want to leave, you intentially try to sabotage the team's future.

- The Pacers believed and drafted you
- They have given you the MAX salary they can at every contract point.
- Pacer fans have always rooted and adored you as a Pacer.
- You have gotten national TV commercials and on the cover of video games.
- WHEN YOU BROKE YOUR LEG during Olympic Trials and the Pacers supported you.
- They paid you MAX salary for sitting out the following season for an Olympic injury AND the team/fans supported you.

- Yeah, let's not act like PG hasnt brought back his value as far as making the team able to compete and be relevant in the league for several year.
- He would have gotten the max from every single team in the NBA, it's not like you ve done him a favor for offering him his value.
- The team sobotages it's self by dismissing every single trade suggested and demanding crazy value for an expiring player. You ve asked crazy picks like #1 plus assets, #2 plus assets, you find Kevin Love not good enough.. this has gotten out of hand at some point. So, having things under perspective this actually helps the team to act normally and salvage something.

The motive for making it public that he wants out is for a chance to be traded this remaining season of his contract to the Cavs for a chance to compete. He literally says, trade me now to get some value, instead of losing me for free.. By stating that he wants the Lakers, he s actually dismissing every prospect of dealing him anywhere else other than his liking. He will eventually end up with the Cavs for a year and then he ll see his options.. if Lebron stays and the Cavs still compete for the title, he might stay there, if not he ll go to LA.. In any case, the Cavs would want him for only just a season and he also wants there for competing.. that's is how i see it unfolding.

[Birdie]

I mean, in CLE, this is no doubt welcome news as it keeps low probabilities of hope of a potential swap for Love/PG13 deal, however, you want to construct it.

But I think people claiming, "oh, PG13 is all about the bigger market, big city, LALA land, etc, no way anything else appeals to him"...

I'd just like to counter, I don't think you can discount 1) PG13 lived/grew his career in Indianapolis, the Cleveland area is not much different as a city(at least suburbia since most of the players all live out in McMansion-ville parts of outskirts of CLE anyways), so, it wouldn't be anything he hasn't already had experience living through. 2) CLE's roster is championship made/ready to go. LAL are not BOS is not even if they get Butler/Griffin/Hayward 3) PG13 joins 2 other Nike signature shoe guys. 4) The CLE opportunity gives PG13 the opportunity to prove, he CAN be the difference in a potential rematch against GSW as KD proved he was no Harrison Barnes in next year's storyline of these 2 teams. It won't be LBJ/Ky getting the glory, it potentially could be PG13's rise back into Top 5-10 player in NBA pre-leg break.

At least from my perspective, I really hope Cavs are considering this as I think it's worth the risk of losing PG13 after 1 year. Hell, at the very least, if PG13 does want to leave for LAL "if" we were to win next year, at the very least, we could still S&T him to LAL for a few assets and his 8% raise instead of having to sign with LAL outright and take a little less money. I think winning could change a lot of minds/perceptions especially if it looks good on the court. We shall see.

CLE receives PG13 (TT gives #13 to PG), Willie-Cauley-Stein

IND receives SAC 2017 1st (#5) + SAC 2017 1st (#10) + Malachai Richardson + Rights to Cedi Osman

SAC receives KLove + Monta Ellis

NYK buyout Melo, we package Frye/RJ for Dudley to PHO, sign James Johnson/Thabo or PJ Tucker with 5.2mil exception, sign Shelvin Mack to vet min, re-sign Korver to 2yr 12.5mil deal, re-sign James Jones as bench mom..BOOM, game over.

Ky/Mack/Kay
PG13/JR/Korver
LBJ/James Johnson/Shump/JJ
Melo/Dudley
TT/WCS/Taveras

It'd be over 147mil in salary with a 88mil luxury tax bill next season. And if you were to bring back 12 out of 15 players the following year after maxing out LBJ/PG13, James Jones/Melo/Mack are odd men out unless they take vet min, Cavs' salary commitments for a full 15 man roster could be around 164mil with a luxury tax bill that could hover around 141mil. Would be worth for back-to-back chips though.

[RR9]

Enh, not really because he keeps harping on the Lakers thing which is destroying his trade value. Why would any team give up a lot knowing he's likely just a rental and gonna walk to LAl after this year? Why would the Lakers trade anything now to bring him in a year early when they can just sign him for nothing but cap-space next year? They'll be lucky to get even middling assets at this point I think. I agree it's still better than giving all appearences of staying and then up and bailing as you (and we, LMA) have suffered, but not a ton better.

A team that trades for him and they win a lot (finals, conference finals) gives him a sense of how close he can get...I can see that changing his mind about LA.

Sure but that's a massive risk for that team to take, I mean they have to approach it as presumably a rental with a chance of resigning him if things go right. That has some value and I wouldn't be shocked for like a single solid asset or a couple middling ones are moved but short of someone just going crazy and pulling a Magic/Ibaka move I don't think the Pacers will get anything remotely resembling his actual value like they could have if they'd dealt him before the trade deadline last year. So I guess it's nice of him to say something, better late than never, but it's pretty much too late, if he did this last february they would be in a position to benefit but at this point and with all the lakers chatter thrown on there he's really not doing them much of a favor lol.

It is a risk, but here it's very little leverage. It's similar to NOP getting boogie with 2 (or 3?) years remaining and there's obviously no guarantee he stays either. It's just a shorter window and it's got some value, but yeah it's a risk that team would have to be willing to take. It's a balance between that and a potentially desperate Pacers team trying to get ANY value for PG at all...there'll be some spot in the middle.

[RR9]

Ok, so Mr Paul George.

The Pacers have treated you like a prince and now not only want to leave, you intentially try to sabotage the team's future.

- The Pacers believed and drafted you
- They have given you the MAX salary they can at every contract point.
- Pacer fans have always rooted and adored you as a Pacer.
- You have gotten national TV commercials and on the cover of video games.
- WHEN YOU BROKE YOUR LEG during Olympic Trials and the Pacers supported you.
- They paid you MAX salary for sitting out the following season for an Olympic injury AND the team/fans supported you.

He wants to win and the Pacers aren't winning. That would be a valid reason. Fan base and loyalty of contracts go only so far. This is a business on both sides. It's gotta suck, but just like with KD, Lebron, it's the player's decision. Fans will be mad, understandably, but they don't owe us a thing.

[wackbone]

I mean, in CLE, this is no doubt welcome news as it keeps low probabilities of hope of a potential swap for Love/PG13 deal, however, you want to construct it.

But I think people claiming, "oh, PG13 is all about the bigger market, big city, LALA land, etc, no way anything else appeals to him"...

I'd just like to counter, I don't think you can discount 1) PG13 lived/grew his career in Indianapolis, the Cleveland area is not much different as a city(at least suburbia since most of the players all live out in McMansion-ville parts of outskirts of CLE anyways), so, it wouldn't be anything he hasn't already had experience living through. 2) CLE's roster is championship made/ready to go. LAL are not BOS is not even if they get Butler/Griffin/Hayward 3) PG13 joins 2 other Nike signature shoe guys. 4) The CLE opportunity gives PG13 the opportunity to prove, he CAN be the difference in a potential rematch against GSW as KD proved he was no Harrison Barnes in next year's storyline of these 2 teams. It won't be LBJ/Ky getting the glory, it potentially could be PG13's rise back into Top 5-10 player in NBA pre-leg break.

At least from my perspective, I really hope Cavs are considering this as I think it's worth the risk of losing PG13 after 1 year. Hell, at the very least, if PG13 does want to leave for LAL "if" we were to win next year, at the very least, we could still S&T him to LAL for a few assets and his 8% raise instead of having to sign with LAL outright and take a little less money. I think winning could change a lot of minds/perceptions especially if it looks good on the court. We shall see.

CLE receives PG13 (TT gives #13 to PG), Willie-Cauley-Stein

IND receives SAC 2017 1st (#5) + SAC 2017 1st (#10) + Malachai Richardson + Rights to Cedi Osman

SAC receives KLove + Monta Ellis

NYK buyout Melo, we package Frye/RJ for Dudley to PHO, sign James Johnson/Thabo or PJ Tucker with 5.2mil exception, sign Shelvin Mack to vet min, re-sign Korver to 2yr 12.5mil deal, re-sign James Jones as bench mom..BOOM, game over.

Ky/Mack/Kay
PG13/JR/Korver
LBJ/James Johnson/Shump/JJ
Melo/Dudley
TT/WCS/Taveras

It'd be over 147mil in salary with a 88mil luxury tax bill next season. And if you were to bring back 12 out of 15 players the following year after maxing out LBJ/PG13, James Jones/Melo/Mack are odd men out unless they take vet min, Cavs' salary commitments for a full 15 man roster could be around 164mil with a luxury tax bill that could hover around 141mil. Would be worth for back-to-back chips though.

Just wanna say, the Kings would say absolutely not to this deal. They have no use for Love or Monta. No way they trade one of their young potential stars in WCS, along with #5 and #10, for two vets who don't fit their timeline whatsoever.

[youOK]

I think the best they can hope for is a mid to late first and some sort of young prospect.

[Asif16]

I think the best they can hope for is a mid to late first and some sort of young prospect.

Val + Poetl + 23rd ???

We can add more prospects like Wright/Bebe/Siakam or a future picks

[Asif16]

You guys think the Pacers trade PG this offseason or wait till the trade deadline?

[damecurry]

A team that trades for him and they win a lot (finals, conference finals) gives him a sense of how close he can get...I can see that changing his mind about LA.

Sure but that's a massive risk for that team to take, I mean they have to approach it as presumably a rental with a chance of resigning him if things go right. That has some value and I wouldn't be shocked for like a single solid asset or a couple middling ones are moved but short of someone just going crazy and pulling a Magic/Ibaka move I don't think the Pacers will get anything remotely resembling his actual value like they could have if they'd dealt him before the trade deadline last year. So I guess it's nice of him to say something, better late than never, but it's pretty much too late, if he did this last february they would be in a position to benefit but at this point and with all the lakers chatter thrown on there he's really not doing them much of a favor lol.

It is a risk, but here it's very little leverage. It's similar to NOP getting boogie with 2 (or 3?) years remaining and there's obviously no guarantee he stays either. It's just a shorter window and it's got some value, but yeah it's a risk that team would have to be willing to take. It's a balance between that and a potentially desperate Pacers team trying to get ANY value for PG at all...there'll be some spot in the middle.

Well in the NOP case almost everyone agrees they easily won that trade cause they gave so little for him, which is what I'm saying;. Indy is now in a position where they have little choice but to move him and everyone knows it so no-one is gonna give up a lot of value when there's a substantial risk it's a one year rental. So like with the Boogie case the team trading for him is only gonna bother doing so if they think they're getting a great deal. Indy can definitely move him and get positive value I just don't think it's a lot of value. Probably something pretty similar to what we saw with Boogie actually, a little less cause it's only 1 year remaining but close cause PG doesn't have all the issues. A less-than-awesome looking prospect and a future 1st of some kind. Nothing close to what they could've gotten at the deadline last year.

[Waynearchetype]

Deng/Ingram/Lottery Protected 2020 first. Could the Lakers then sign Chris Paul if he is still interested?

[Wizop]

We've always known he'll opt out. Worst case Pacers have monstrous cap room next summer as long as we don't trade for any long contracts.

So who leaked? Timing is suspicious. Could this be the Pacers saying the trading window is open?

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Just looked up his agent.

Aaron Mintz

If you are curious maybe you can find some side noise in the last week or two.

This is the side noise I've been hearing in Indy for a month or two.

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[AingesBurner]

You guys think the Pacers trade PG this offseason or wait till the trade deadline?

Nope, they will lose significant value.

[Wizop]

I wonder if the Celtics will take a flier on George since the cost to acquire him just dropped considerably. He would be a lot cheaper to get than Butler and maybe a good season in Boston would convince him to stay (plus they would be able to offer the most money).

And their assets to make the deal just went up when they traded down.

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[Asif16]

You guys think the Pacers trade PG this offseason or wait till the trade deadline?

Nope, they will lose significant value.

So this offseason then?

[pacers33granger]

You guys think the Pacers trade PG this offseason or wait till the trade deadline?

Nope, they will lose significant value.

Will also be super awkward if he plays out any part of the season at this point it would seem.

[jayjaysee]

What about Charlotte?

MKG+11 for Paul George.

A lot more value than the recent LA offers. MKG is only 23 and 11 could be Lauri, Collins, Mitchell

MJ gets a star and Walker gets a friend. Batum, Marvin, and Zeller fit perfectly.

At least it would push Charlotte in.. And if PG leaves, they can use cap space next offseason and try again or decide there was no Kemba era and trade him and start a rebuild after a fun year.


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