I Still Know What They Should Do This Summer Atlanta Hawks

[Couch Potato]

How long did it take before Booker started running his mouth ?

I seen another link other day he wasn't happy about Suns not trading for DLO. Rumors rumors. Could be nothing.

[Crizzle]

How long did it take before Booker started running his mouth ?

I seen another link other day he wasn't happy about Suns not trading for DLO. Rumors rumors. Could be nothing.

lol really? i honestly didnt pay attention to the suns until ayton came back. How was rubio in a vacuum this season?

[Buzzard]

Yes my opinion is nothing in your mind. I'll take my opinion. Heck Young cried and Hawks traded for Capela. Not exciting. But trying to win. If he's on the outs of no playoffs long before trade deadline his big mouth may cherp again. If not nothing happens. But this is a forum for chatter. I'm just predicting he's the next guy that wants out.

I think you are over emphasizing this years trade for Capela; and acting like it was a knee jerk reaction. The Hawks have been in trade rumors for Steven Adams since early last season. Just google Hawks and Adams to look at all the hits going back to 2019. Here is one for you by soaring down south and cites bleacher report.

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2019/07/03/atlanta-hawks-trade-steven-adams/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2868333-nba-rumors-latest-on-steven-adams-trade-dion-waiters-outlook-with-heat

Its not top secret information the Hawks had not drafted or acquired a top tier starting center. Its no secret that was seen as their biggest positional weakness. You just seem to think it was not recognized until Febuary of 2020, which shows you don't really follow the Hawks.

[dakomish23]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

[Buzzard]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Them being together for a full season will be a good to watch. I think Collins will surprise people once again with another year of growth. I look for Reddish to take Huerter's starting job; and Huerter being regulated to a Kyle Korver 6th man role.

They need maybe one more shooter and a defender coming off the bench. Then they are 10 deep plus a valuable rookie on the bench ( 4th pick ).

[Texas Chuck]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Is that really a good starting 5? Because I'd have that as one of the weakest wing rotations in the league and you are asking Hunter and Capela to carry the defense which is asking too much imo. I think they need a veteran wing on a short term deal. Maybe the kids all take a leap and the vet's role gets reduced which would be great. But if they want to be competitive I don't think those wings are ready yet. Then get a backup PG which is easy to find. I'd not want Teague though. I'd want a guy who could play more minutes next to Trae. Trae is carrying too heavy a load and I think you could get even more out of him if he could steal some minutes off-ball.

I'd also not rush to extend Collins though if they could get him to take their number I understand they'd probably have to do it. But he's not going to take a team friendly deal knowing that lots of teams will have cap space next off-season and that a player like him likely gets at least one team to throw a max offer.

[Buzzard]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Is that really a good starting 5? Because I'd have that as one of the weakest wing rotations in the league and you are asking Hunter and Capela to carry the defense which is asking too much imo. I think they need a veteran wing on a short term deal. Maybe the kids all take a leap and the vet's role gets reduced which would be great. But if they want to be competitive I don't think those wings are ready yet. Then get a backup PG which is easy to find. I'd not want Teague though. I'd want a guy who could play more minutes next to Trae. Trae is carrying too heavy a load and I think you could get even more out of him if he could steal some minutes off-ball.

I'd also not rush to extend Collins though if they could get him to take their number I understand they'd probably have to do it. But he's not going to take a team friendly deal knowing that lots of teams will have cap space next off-season and that a player like him likely gets at least one team to throw a max offer.

I do think both Hunter and Reddish take a small leap in year two. Nothing to ooh and aah about; but something around 13-14 a game, better defense, and efficiency. I could see Huerter doing better but he needs more strength. His biggest weakness is finishing. That needs to improve if he wants to be anything more than a shooting specialist with good passing ability and handles. Getting him at 19 makes that seem like a decent bargain though.

If Hunter or Reddish hit an efficient 14 a game, that takes care of losing Prince who was not a good defender. Bazemore was the starting SG for three straight playoff teams. The Hawks don't need Reddish, Hunter, or Huerter to become All Stars next season. They just need to improve next season.

Year three is when the writing becomes clearer on the wings; but a 8th seed is there if the Hawks do not crap out in free agency.

[dakomish23]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Is that really a good starting 5? Because I'd have that as one of the weakest wing rotations in the league and you are asking Hunter and Capela to carry the defense which is asking too much imo. I think they need a veteran wing on a short term deal. Maybe the kids all take a leap and the vet's role gets reduced which would be great. But if they want to be competitive I don't think those wings are ready yet. Then get a backup PG which is easy to find. I'd not want Teague though. I'd want a guy who could play more minutes next to Trae. Trae is carrying too heavy a load and I think you could get even more out of him if he could steal some minutes off-ball.

I'd also not rush to extend Collins though if they could get him to take their number I understand they'd probably have to do it. But he's not going to take a team friendly deal knowing that lots of teams will have cap space next off-season and that a player like him likely gets at least one team to throw a max offer.

We know Capella can anchor a defense so I’m banking on him being at his best. Hunter I think will be solid defender and Huerter can become passable. Trae & Collins aren’t great there, we know that.

Offensively is where I think they’ll shine. Trae is probably already a top 10 offensive player in the league, Collins is a solid b option, Hunter I’m abnormally high on since pre draft, Huerter can play the ultra light version of the Klay role off the ball & Capella is a solid PnR guy.

Is it perfect? Nope. Good enough? Yeah at this stage of their rebuild. They’ve been committed to the youth movement and I think next year is when they start getting dividends in the W column.

[Buzzard]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Is that really a good starting 5? Because I'd have that as one of the weakest wing rotations in the league and you are asking Hunter and Capela to carry the defense which is asking too much imo. I think they need a veteran wing on a short term deal. Maybe the kids all take a leap and the vet's role gets reduced which would be great. But if they want to be competitive I don't think those wings are ready yet. Then get a backup PG which is easy to find. I'd not want Teague though. I'd want a guy who could play more minutes next to Trae. Trae is carrying too heavy a load and I think you could get even more out of him if he could steal some minutes off-ball.

I'd also not rush to extend Collins though if they could get him to take their number I understand they'd probably have to do it. But he's not going to take a team friendly deal knowing that lots of teams will have cap space next off-season and that a player like him likely gets at least one team to throw a max offer.

We know Capella can anchor a defense so I’m banking on him being at his best. Hunter I think will be solid defender and Huerter can become passable. Trae & Collins aren’t great there, we know that.

Offensively is where I think they’ll shine. Trae is probably already a top 10 offensive player in the league, Collins is a solid b option, Hunter I’m abnormally high on since pre draft, Huerter can play the ultra light version of the Klay role off the ball & Capella is a solid PnR guy.

Is it perfect? Nope. Good enough? Yeah at this stage of their rebuild. They’ve been committed to the youth movement and I think next year is when they start getting dividends in the W column.

A lot of people were high on Hunter. Some of those same people have jumped off the bandwagon. I am not one who jumped off. I think Reddish is the sleeper here. Reddish and Hunter could be a batman and robin like duo with perimeter defense; plus they showed in flashes they can score.

Vets vs Rookies in one on one matchups, vets almost always win. Give them both time and that script could flip.

[Buzzard]

I have Atlanta as in need of taking it slow, and unlikely to fully do so.

I have Trae/Collins/Capela with Huerter off the bench as 4 of my top 7-8 in pen. Can anyone else get in there? Sure. Hopefully Reddish or Hunter, but I don't have them in there yet. So boringly let those two work there way into concrete plans, add more rookies (even 3!), and placeholder with a plan to use cap space next summer.

Fully boring.

So, lets go unboring.

Some combo of Reddish/Hunter/20 1st, 21st/+? for Oladipo with a massive extension.

Oladipo does it for the money (and playing with Trae).
Indy does it for all the assets, and because Atlanta is offering such a large extension they blanch at keeping Oladipo into free agency.
Atlanta does it so they can play

Trae/Oladipo/_? / Collins/Capela and try to be a serious East contender versus a playoff hopefully. It is the all in scenario, for your reading pleasure.

Pass on four assets for Oladipo. The boring take may not be so boring. Beside Collins great two months in January and February, Hunter and Reddish put together their best full month February.

Reddish:
13.4 PT , 3.0 TRB, .441 FG%, .349 3P%, .572 TS%
Hunter:
13.8 PT, 6.8 TRB , .439 FG%, .463 3P%, .589 TS%

The Hawks won 9 of their last 20 games and a lot of that was due to Reddish and Hunter playing better. I think they can both put up decent numbers in their 2nd season. Something along 13-14 points, at least average efficiency, and better defense. Add Capela and a couple of free agents off the bench, the Hawks are a .500 team.

Oladipo is not going to put the Hawks in the conversation. They would still be dependent on who ever you are penciling in at the 3 spot. It would take a whole lot to convince me to move any two of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and #4. Moving four of them is almost out of the question. Oladipo had two good seasons and one major injury. His value right now is not all that.

Let the Hawks be boring and when year three comes around it may just get exciting in Atlanta again. Like back in the days of Wilkins, Willis, Tree, Doc, Eddie Johnson, and Spud. Some journeyman named Randy Whitman as well.

[HartfordWhalers]

I have Atlanta as in need of taking it slow, and unlikely to fully do so.

I have Trae/Collins/Capela with Huerter off the bench as 4 of my top 7-8 in pen. Can anyone else get in there? Sure. Hopefully Reddish or Hunter, but I don't have them in there yet. So boringly let those two work there way into concrete plans, add more rookies (even 3!), and placeholder with a plan to use cap space next summer.

Fully boring.

So, lets go unboring.

Some combo of Reddish/Hunter/20 1st, 21st/+? for Oladipo with a massive extension.

Oladipo does it for the money (and playing with Trae).
Indy does it for all the assets, and because Atlanta is offering such a large extension they blanch at keeping Oladipo into free agency.
Atlanta does it so they can play

Trae/Oladipo/_? / Collins/Capela and try to be a serious East contender versus a playoff hopefully. It is the all in scenario, for your reading pleasure.

Pass on four assets for Oladipo. The boring take may not be so boring. Beside Collins great two months in January and February, Hunter and Reddish put together their best full month February.

Reddish:
13.4 PT , 3.0 TRB, .441 FG%, .349 3P%, .572 TS%
Hunter:
13.8 PT, 6.8 TRB , .439 FG%, .463 3P%, .589 TS%

The Hawks won 9 of their last 20 games and a lot of that was due to Reddish and Hunter playing better. I think they can both put up decent numbers in their 2nd season. Something along 13-14 points, at least average efficiency, and better defense. Add Capela and a couple of free agents off the bench, the Hawks are a .500 team.

Oladipo is not going to put the Hawks in the conversation. They would still be dependent on who ever you are penciling in at the 3 spot. It would take a whole lot to convince me to move any two of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and #4. Moving four of them is almost out of the question. Oladipo had two good seasons and one major injury. His value is not all that.

Let the Hawks be boring and when year three comes around it may just get exciting in Atlanta again. Like back in the days of Wilkins, Willis, Tree, Doc, Eddie Johnson, and Spud. Some journeyman named Randy Whitman as well.

Not sure why this is being bumped now but to be clear:
Some combo of does not equal all.

[Buzzard]

I have Atlanta as in need of taking it slow, and unlikely to fully do so.

I have Trae/Collins/Capela with Huerter off the bench as 4 of my top 7-8 in pen. Can anyone else get in there? Sure. Hopefully Reddish or Hunter, but I don't have them in there yet. So boringly let those two work there way into concrete plans, add more rookies (even 3!), and placeholder with a plan to use cap space next summer.

Fully boring.

So, lets go unboring.

Some combo of Reddish/Hunter/20 1st, 21st/+? for Oladipo with a massive extension.

Oladipo does it for the money (and playing with Trae).
Indy does it for all the assets, and because Atlanta is offering such a large extension they blanch at keeping Oladipo into free agency.
Atlanta does it so they can play

Trae/Oladipo/_? / Collins/Capela and try to be a serious East contender versus a playoff hopefully. It is the all in scenario, for your reading pleasure.

Pass on four assets for Oladipo. The boring take may not be so boring. Beside Collins great two months in January and February, Hunter and Reddish put together their best full month February.

Reddish:
13.4 PT , 3.0 TRB, .441 FG%, .349 3P%, .572 TS%
Hunter:
13.8 PT, 6.8 TRB , .439 FG%, .463 3P%, .589 TS%

The Hawks won 9 of their last 20 games and a lot of that was due to Reddish and Hunter playing better. I think they can both put up decent numbers in their 2nd season. Something along 13-14 points, at least average efficiency, and better defense. Add Capela and a couple of free agents off the bench, the Hawks are a .500 team.

Oladipo is not going to put the Hawks in the conversation. They would still be dependent on who ever you are penciling in at the 3 spot. It would take a whole lot to convince me to move any two of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and #4. Moving four of them is almost out of the question. Oladipo had two good seasons and one major injury. His value is not all that.

Let the Hawks be boring and when year three comes around it may just get exciting in Atlanta again. Like back in the days of Wilkins, Willis, Tree, Doc, Eddie Johnson, and Spud. Some journeyman named Randy Whitman as well.

Not sure why this is being bumped now but to be clear:
Some combo of does not equal all.

Because I just saw it. Don't know how I missed it but I did. Its wait and see time for Oladipo. If you are going to send a All Star type package for him, he needs to be playing like a All Star again. Otherwise its buy low, high risk time.

[Threezus]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

[CP War Hawks]

Draft BPA. Extend Collins. Give this team a full year together, likely make the playoffs, then spend away in 2021.

Capella
Collins
Hunter
Huerter
Trae

That’s a good starting 5, though I’m not sure how well Capella & Collins fit. Teague Reddish Dedmon makes it a solid 8.

Alot has happened since this was started. Cap will go down, the 2020 FAs will sign to the highest bidder as they should, Collins will get a 100+ million contract as he a walking 20 and 10, and will be among the elite 4s in the league during his prime.

I wanted to pivot for the 2021 FAs as well but it doesn't seem logical anymore. I would try to sign FVV to 20m annually and Bertans 15m annually. We could trade out the 2020 pick for 2021 considering the two new rotation players takes away from development, but it must make sense for both teams.

Trae/FVV
FVV/Huerter
Hunter/Cam
Collins/Bertans
Capela/Skal

That's a fun and deep team. You go into the season with still significant cap space to take advantage of a team looking to open up space for 2021 during the deadline and/or following offseason.

[Buzzard]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

Lord help us if he can only get back to 75-80% of what he was and give away all those assets. That is a solid pass.

[Threezus]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

Lord help us if he can only get back to 75-80% of what he was and give away all those assets. That is a solid pass.

75 to 80% of what he was? What happened to Oladipo that has broke him down so much from what i remember him being last time i seen him.

[Buzzard]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

Lord help us if he can only get back to 75-80% of what he was and give away all those assets. That is a solid pass.

75 to 80% of what he was? What happened to Oladipo that has broke him down so much from what i remember him being last time i seen him.

So you have not watched any Pacers basketball this season? Maybe you will get caught up with him in the playoffs. I am not sending all that out for him or Brown.

[Ball4life32]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

Lord help us if he can only get back to 75-80% of what he was and give away all those assets. That is a solid pass.

75 to 80% of what he was? What happened to Oladipo that has broke him down so much from what i remember him being last time i seen him.

Injuries? He’s had one really good year (17/18), took a step back the year after & has struggled this year (though small sample size). Way too risky.

I wouldn’t pay IND all that either when they could lose him for nothing next year.

Plus he’s 7+ year older Trae....not a fan of giving up a bunch of younger guys that fit Trae’s timeline for a guy that will be declining before he even hits his prime.

[jayu70]

With a legit contract extension in hand i would offer Hunter, 4, Huerter, and another 1st for Oladipo im a pretty big fan of his. I treat him the same as Brown in the type of SG i want and the reason i offer more is because i see dipo as a higher end player.

Wait, what? Hunter, Huerter AND 2 1sts for Oladipo. That's a quick pass from this Hawks fan.
Imagine if Oladipo gets injured again or can't come close to replicating his best season, you are left with Trae and Reddish (who I don't think is currently ready to be our full time SF).

[Threezus]

Lord help us if he can only get back to 75-80% of what he was and give away all those assets. That is a solid pass.

75 to 80% of what he was? What happened to Oladipo that has broke him down so much from what i remember him being last time i seen him.

So you have not watched any Pacers basketball this season? Maybe you will get caught up with him in the playoffs. I am not sending all that out for him or Brown.

Im guessing not i didn't know he got that bad of injuries that he might not even be able to be the same player anymore. If thats the case then year i retract my current offer for sure because i made it with the assumption he was still healthy and that 23/5/5 guy with elite defense i remember see playing the last time i really watched him.