Hayward opt in and trade up on draft night. (Trade ideas)

[enzino]

I asked if Hayward is in synch with the Minnesota roster after the trade and you pointed back at the outgoing players even when I said to ignore them. You didn't even bother answering my question.

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because i don't see the problem since Hayward may bring in MIN that veteranship that current roster lacks. Kemba Wlaker, in BOS, is even older than him and the surrounding star (Tatum) is younger than KAT e DAR
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Since you think that you are smarter than the average bear...

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no, i don't.
don't be offensive, please
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In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

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replace Turner with any other filler (i don't see him as a deal breaker) if it's not possilbe to sign him for 1 yr and do the the trade few months later
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[babyjax13]

Hayward won't opt in to go to a lottery team, this idea is DOA.

[Spin Move]

Hayward won't opt in to go to a lottery team, this idea is DOA.

I disagree, what if it is GS, or Atlanta or Phoenix or Minny, all teams that with him would have good shot at the playoffs next year. Now I don't see Minny doing it, but I could certainly see GS doing a Wiggins and #2 for him. I think there are some picks that make sense, I would be fine extending at a more reasonable 20 million a year, but he is a good player who would be a good fit on almost any team, is he overpaid yes, but he is worth 20 million for a team not in a position to sign a max free agent. He put up 17.5, 6.5 and 4. this year on a team where he shares the ball with Tatum, Kemba and Brown, three guys who averaged 20 points a game or more. You don't think Minny would be a playoff team if they added him? You don't think he wouldn't mind opting in for that situation or GS or having the chance to play with Trae young on an up and coming team. No one is paying him more then 30 million a year for next year so he is opting in most likley. If Ainge thinks one of the Bigs will be a future all star I can get behind eating the 2 more years of Wiggins being overpaid and losing GH Wiggins will not facilitate or defend as well but he can score off the bench. I think both sides would think long and hard about it, and I think GH re-ups in for sure if that is the deal who wouldnt want to play with Steph and Klay

[babyjax13]

Hayward won't opt in to go to a lottery team, this idea is DOA.

I disagree, what if it is GS, or Atlanta or Phoenix or Minny, all teams that with him would have good shot at the playoffs next year. Now I don't see Minny doing it, but I could certainly see GS doing a Wiggins and #2 for him. I think there are some picks that make sense, I would be fine extending at a more reasonable 20 million a year, but he is a good player who would be a good fit on almost any team, is he overpaid yes, but he is worth 20 million for a team not in a position to sign a max free agent. He put up 17.5, 6.5 and 4. this year on a team where he shares the ball with Tatum, Kemba and Brown, three guys who averaged 20 points a game or more. You don't think Minny would be a playoff team if they added him? You don't think he wouldn't mind opting in for that situation or GS or having the chance to play with Trae young on an up and coming team. No one is paying him more then 30 million a year for next year so he is opting in most likley. If Ainge thinks one of the Bigs will be a future all star I can get behind eating the 2 more years of Wiggins being overpaid and losing GH Wiggins will not facilitate or defend as well but he can score off the bench. I think both sides would think long and hard about it, and I think GH re-ups in for sure if that is the deal who wouldnt want to play with Steph and Klay

I don't think Minny would be a playoff team with him, no. Golden State makes some sense.

[Resistance]

I asked if Hayward is in synch with the Minnesota roster after the trade and you pointed back at the outgoing players even when I said to ignore them. You didn't even bother answering my question.

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because i don't see the problem since Hayward may bring in MIN that veteranship that current roster lacks. Kemba Wlaker, in BOS, is even older than him and the surrounding star (Tatum) is younger than KAT e DAR

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Since you think that you are smarter than the average bear...

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no, i don't.
don't be offensive, please
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In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

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replace Turner with any other filler (i don't see him as a deal breaker) if it's not possilbe to sign him for 1 yr and do the the trade few months later
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because i don't see the problem since Hayward may bring in MIN that veteranship that current roster lacks. Kemba Wlaker, in BOS, is even older than him and the surrounding star (Tatum) is younger than KAT e DAR


Boston invested much much much less in assets for Kemba Walker than you are asking Minnesota to do for Hayward.

Walker

July 6, 2019: Traded by the Charlotte Hornets with a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Boston Celtics for Terry Rozier and a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (2020 second-round pick is BRK's or NYK's, whichever is least favorable.) (top-53 protected)

When Boston did the trade for Walker, they had a solid idea of how much they would be paying him and for how many years.

With Hayward, Minnesota only knows that they will have him for season. Beyond that is a complete mystery.

You could have cited the Kyrie Irving experince for Boston, but you didn't.

Considering how much you are asking Minnesota to give up for Hayward, the may bring in MIN that veteranship isn't good enough.


no, i don't.
don't be offensive, please


The timing conflicts with a Sign & Trade and 2020 draft picks have been discussed multiple times, yet people keep posting trade ideas with those problems.

In case you missed it, I will post the details again...

120. What are the important CBA-related dates each season?

The following dates are referenced in the CBA, starting with July 1, which is the first day of the salary cap year. Any deadline which falls on a Saturday, Sunday or federal holiday is extended to the next business day.

July 1 Salary cap year begins

July Moratorium begins (see question number 105)

Salary cap adjusts (see question number 12)

Luxury tax threshold adjusts (see question number 18)

Salaries adjust

Exceptions arise (see question number 25)

Free agents become free. Teams can negotiate with free agents

Unrenounced free agents, scale amounts for first round picks playing outside the NBA, and roster charges are applied to team
salary (see question number 13).

Poison Pill provision expires (see question number 91)

Rookie scale contracts can be signed (see question number 47)

A second round draft pick can accept a required tender

A restricted free agent can accept a qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer (see question number 42)

A restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet (see question number 42)

Minimum salary contracts can be signed (see question number 22)

Teams may apply for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25)

Free agents can be renounced (see question number 39)

Two-Way players can be signed (see question number 82)

Two-Way contracts can be converted to standard contracts (see question number 83)

Contracts with Exhibit 10 can be converted to Two-Way contracts (see question number 83)

Salary can be paid for the upcoming season (see question number 115)

The dates for the 2020-21 salary season will be adjusted because of the stoppage, but the concepts should be the same.


106. Can teams find loopholes in the CBA and do things the league never intended to allow? What is circumvention?

In 2019 the league also approved new measures to reduce circumvention and tampering (see question number 111) such as inappropriate communications between teams and the agents of free agents to-be before the opening of free agency on July 1. Team executives are now required to save all communications with agents and other teams for one year, and the league now conducts random audits of five teams' communications each year. Penalties for violations can now include:

replace Turner with any other filler (i don't see him as a deal breaker) if it's not possilbe to sign him for 1 yr and do the the trade few months later


You want me to fix your trade? Okay, but you will need to step up and handle something for me.

Hayward next season is $34,187,085

With the cap holds for Beasley, Hernangomez and two first round draft picks, Minnesota is unlikely to have cap space.


86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Non-Taxpaying Teams

Outgoing salary................Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...............175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million..The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...........125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.

Working backwards from Hayward's salary.

$34,187,085 - $100,000 = $34,087,085

$34,087,085 / 1.25 = $27,269,668


Minnesota needs to send out at least $27,269,668 to be able to take in Hayward's $34,187,085

If the salary cap is relatively unchanged, then the 2020 #1 pick should get a contract for roughly $9.7 million which is what Zion is making.

James Johnson........$16,047,100
2020 #1..................$9,700,000
Jacob Evans.............$2,017,320
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..........................$27,764,420

Spellman makes slightly less than Evans, so he could be subbed in for Evans if necessary.

101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

Sign the #1 pick to a contract and then wait the required 30 days. Package: Johnson, #1 pick and Evans or Spellman together in a trade for Hayward.



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I did all the work above and now it is time for you or another pro Boston person to step up and handle something for me.

Here is the OP from the first page of this thread.

Incase Hayward opts in (hopefully) to be traded. I like to know if the Celtics could trade up to Detroit or New York? Doesnt have to be that high. I think the top 6 teams in the draft would stay put (except) Golden State. But not suggesting them as trade partners.

New York are willing to wait for another rookie to develop? Thibs likes vets, maybe New York? Definitely see the Suns after their play in the bubble. All other teams, Wizards, Kings, Pelicans are viable. Spurs im not sure they always find gems and good at developing players..

I asked a question and am still waiting for the answer from the OP.

Incase Hayward opts in (hopefully) to be traded. I like to know if the Celtics could trade up to Detroit or New York? Doesnt have to be that high. I think the top 6 teams in the draft would stay put (except) Golden State. But not suggesting them as trade partners.

New York are willing to wait for another rookie to develop? Thibs likes vets, maybe New York? Definitely see the Suns after their play in the bubble. All other teams, Wizards, Kings, Pelicans are viable. Spurs im not sure they always find gems and good at developing players..

Detroit this season was 20-46 (30.3%)

Over a full season (82 games), that projects to 25-57 (30.4%)

If making the playoffs in the Eastern Conference next season will need in the area of 37 - 39 wins, are you expecting Hayward to boost Detroit upward with an additional 12-14 wins?

If Hayward isn't getting Detroit to the playoffs, why would they do this trade?

I was on topic and multiple pro Boston people have read this thread, yet I am still waiting for an answer.

When a proposed trade is unfavorable to Boston, the pro Boston people have no problem speaking up and shooting down the proposal. When I point out that a pro Boston person is throwing out an idea that makes no sense for Detroit, I am getting only silence from the pro Boston crowd.


I understand the partisan aspect of things of wanting to have a united front and not speak ill of fellow Boston fans, but showing some respect to other fanbases with trade ideas would be appreciated.

[Buzzard]

Hayward is not going anywhere if the expectation is he will bring in good value. Why is Hayward a great acquisition on a 1 year 34.1 million dollar deal? Answer, he is not.

He is a injury risk, he is a flight risk, he is a overpay risk. Send Boston some contracts that are cheaper in total value or Boston sends him for nothing and just take him into your cap. Usually one year deals this big need a pick going out as well; but since Hayward is a good player, Boston can possibly find a taker that would not require that.

I can't believe people think trading Hayward will give Boston a chance to move up in the draft. If anything the team taking Hayward would want to be able to move up

[BullyKing]

Hayward is not going anywhere if the expectation is he will bring in good value. Why is Hayward a great acquisition on a 1 year 34.1 million dollar deal? Answer, he is not.

He is a injury risk, he is a flight risk, he is a overpay risk. Send Boston some contracts that are cheaper in total value or Boston sends him for nothing and just take him into your cap. Usually one year deals this big need a pick going out as well; but since Hayward is a good player, Boston can possibly find a taker that would not require that.

I can't believe people think trading Hayward will give Boston a chance to move up in the draft. If anything the team taking Hayward would want to be able to move up

Teams send assets for expiring players all the time. People are far too hung up on salary and not enough on whether the player is actually good or not. Hayward is a very good basketball player.

[Buzzard]

Hayward is not going anywhere if the expectation is he will bring in good value. Why is Hayward a great acquisition on a 1 year 34.1 million dollar deal? Answer, he is not.

He is a injury risk, he is a flight risk, he is a overpay risk. Send Boston some contracts that are cheaper in total value or Boston sends him for nothing and just take him into your cap. Usually one year deals this big need a pick going out as well; but since Hayward is a good player, Boston can possibly find a taker that would not require that.

I can't believe people think trading Hayward will give Boston a chance to move up in the draft. If anything the team taking Hayward would want to be able to move up

Teams send assets for expiring players all the time. People are far too hung up on salary and not enough on whether the player is actually good or not. Hayward is a very good basketball player.

We are really not. People are hung up on Haywards production and do not take into account he is a potential one year rental. Leonard drew a good asset because he made Toronto a instant contender. If you can do that with Hayward, its believable. If not, he is a possible waste of cap space and no one sends out great value for that.

Leonard is also one year younger, a finals MVP, and top five League MVP mention.

[BullyKing]

Hayward is not going anywhere if the expectation is he will bring in good value. Why is Hayward a great acquisition on a 1 year 34.1 million dollar deal? Answer, he is not.

He is a injury risk, he is a flight risk, he is a overpay risk. Send Boston some contracts that are cheaper in total value or Boston sends him for nothing and just take him into your cap. Usually one year deals this big need a pick going out as well; but since Hayward is a good player, Boston can possibly find a taker that would not require that.

I can't believe people think trading Hayward will give Boston a chance to move up in the draft. If anything the team taking Hayward would want to be able to move up

Teams send assets for expiring players all the time. People are far too hung up on salary and not enough on whether the player is actually good or not. Hayward is a very good basketball player.

We are really not. People are hung up on Haywards production and do not take into account he is a potential one year rental. Leonard drew a good asset because he made Toronto a instant contender. If you can do that with Hayward, its believable. If not, he is a possible waste of cap space and no one sends out great value for that.

Leonard is also one year younger, a finals MVP, and top five League MVP mention.

So your position is that the only expiring player worth positive value is someone of Kawhi's stature? I'm the first one to guffaw proposals of someone like Hayward for a top-5 pick but there's a wide range between that and being worth nothing. And if my goal is to win basketball games, I think its far better to be hung on someone's "production" than salary unless the situation is one where the salary would concretely prevent the acquiring team from being better overall because it would require forgoing other moves that ultimately benefit the team more than Hayward.