Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj]

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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#81 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:18 pm

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Asking for 2 swaps makes you sound as awful as the guy asking for #3 for Vuc. Don't do that.

I was just trying to counter with over the top value


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I did more than once. Everyone of the below quotes is from me in this single thread.

I am not joking. Green is being paid almost 2 million dollars a point. OKC can keep him and play win now with that all by themselves.

About the same at 2 million a point. But Dedmon is the 2nd center for the Hawks now. With the Hawks he averaged about 1.5 million a point.

You obviously love Green as your back up shooting guard and think he has some value. You should keep him at 14.6 million and the Hawks should keep their backup center at 13.3 million.

The above is like a money ball perspective.

They want good value across the board this free agency. I don't see the Hawks giving up any value for Green if they want him at all. Below is a quote on their free agency plans.

“We’re not just going to pay a guy so we can look good on paper,” the source said.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/atlanta-hawks

Green is one of those players in my opinion that makes the Hawks look good on paper. He is a well known and respected name. Value wise he is way off the mark.


This is pretty much it. All the vets like Crabbe and Turner became disgruntled because they could not get playing time. This is the same thing that would happen with Green as well in my opinion. Just like those two he will be playing for his next contract so its best he goes to a team that values him more than their young players.

The Hawks don't favor Green when they have Reddish and Huerter.


The original proposed trade did not have a why for each team. I think I provided more than enough why nots for the Hawks. I apologize if my one bad post offended and was out of line.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#82 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:18 pm

timani wrote:Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.


Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#83 » by Karmaloop » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:19 pm

Buzzard wrote:I was just trying to counter with over the top value which is how I see Green and Muscala for Dedmon and OKC Protected first.

OKC gets the better cap savings and their pick(s) back.
Hawks take on more cap and a player that will probably get less usage while also sending pick(s).


How does OKC get better cap savings when there is guaranteed money beyond next year on Dedmon?
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#84 » by AmusingFiddle » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:20 pm

Dallas is a possibility. From what I heard (ball player friends) Dallas interested in Kuzma.

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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#85 » by Karmaloop » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:22 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Dallas is an obvious fit for Danny Green, but my question is the salary matching portion. OKC probably doesn't want long-term salary, and the only expiring OKC has THJ.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#86 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:25 pm

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Buzzard wrote:I was just trying to counter with over the top value which is how I see Green and Muscala for Dedmon and OKC Protected first.

OKC gets the better cap savings and their pick(s) back.
Hawks take on more cap and a player that will probably get less usage while also sending pick(s).


How does OKC get better cap savings when there is guaranteed money beyond next year on Dedmon?


Dedmon 13.3, then 1.0
Green 14.6, Muscala 2.8, then 0.00
Total savings this season for OKC is 4.1. Total savings for both seasons is 3.1 plus they get two 2nd round picks.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#87 » by Balkman32 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:28 pm

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timani wrote:Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.


Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Word is OKC does not want to take on money in any deal. They could have 2 max cap spaces available in 8 months.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#88 » by Karmaloop » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm

Buzzard wrote:Dedmon 13.3, then 1.0
Green 14.6, Muscala 2.8, then 0.00
Total savings this season for OKC is 4.1. Total savings for both seasons is 3.1 plus they get two 2nd round picks.


I believe as of right now, they're nowhere near the luxury tax but also nowhere near having cap space so the cap savings here really aren't all that meaningful.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#89 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Dallas is an obvious fit for Danny Green, but my question is the salary matching portion. OKC probably doesn't want long-term salary, and the only expiring OKC has THJ.


There was reporting a few days ago that OKC is willing to take on salary for picks and prospects. OKC will never be a FA destination and has a few more years before SGA is up. Presti was the original taking salary for assets GM and I imagine he’s more than willing to take long term salary for assets right now. It’s his MO.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#90 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:30 pm

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timani wrote:Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.


Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Word is OKC does not want to take on money in any deal. They could have 2 max cap spaces available in 8 months.


For who? None of the premier guys are signing in OKC. Presti will sell the space now or later.
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Post#91 » by jayjaysee » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:32 pm

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timani wrote:Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.


Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Either of those trades are easy yes’ for me as a Dallas fan.

I don’t think Wright’s 8 mil 2nd year would matter at all to OKC, especially since they just traded their backup guard and probably are still looking at trading their starting guard.

Powell is ugly money but think value is fair.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#92 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:33 pm

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Buzzard wrote:Dedmon 13.3, then 1.0
Green 14.6, Muscala 2.8, then 0.00
Total savings this season for OKC is 4.1. Total savings for both seasons is 3.1 plus they get two 2nd round picks.


I believe as of right now, they're nowhere near the luxury tax but also nowhere near having cap space so the cap savings here really aren't all that meaningful.

Not the point. The real point is if the Hawks do not value Green very much, why would they pay OKC 3.1 million to take back their pick(s)?

I think its way out there myself. Schelnk has been known to sell a 2nd but I have never heard of him paying someone to take them.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#93 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:36 pm

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timani wrote:Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.


Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Either of those trades are easy yes’ for me as a Dallas fan.

I think Dallas is a good partner as well snce they may still value creating cap space in 2021.
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Post#94 » by CP War Hawks » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:06 pm

Hawks are not eating Green's 15m salary when they can simply offer that up to a plethora of guys on the market worth more. Good for Schroder, yet involved in another 1st round pick when numerous times been told the guy never had any value.
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Post#95 » by dalton749 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:10 pm

Buzzard wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
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Dallas is a good partner here because there are a number of potential deals that could make sense.

Green for Wright, Jackson, 31

Green, Nader, Muscala for Powell, Wright, 18, 31

I’m not sure how off I am on those, but you get the point. OKC has TPEs and is willing to take on salary so there are a number of structures here to look at.


Either of those trades are easy yes’ for me as a Dallas fan.

I think Dallas is a good partner as well snce they may still value creating cap space in 2021.


Dallas has to be the assumed landing spot for Danny at this point. I’d say there is zero chance he ever puts a thunder jersey on. The other options I’d throw out there would be Minny, Atlanta or Brooklyn.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#96 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:14 pm

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Either of those trades are easy yes’ for me as a Dallas fan.

I think Dallas is a good partner as well snce they may still value creating cap space in 2021.


Dallas has to be the assumed landing spot for Danny at this point. I’d say there is zero chance he ever puts a thunder jersey on. The other options I’d throw out there would be Minny, Atlanta or Brooklyn.

I am not going that far. CP3 put one on so Green could as well.
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Post#97 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:22 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Hawks are not eating Green's 15m salary when they can simply offer that up to a plethora of guys on the market worth more. Good for Schroder, yet involved in another 1st round pick when numerous times been told the guy never had any value.


When Atlanta traded him, they had to take on 25m of dead money. An amount larger than would be taken on for the pick they received; suggesting that he was negative value at the time. It is easy to forget that, but 25 million is still 25 million.
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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#98 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:35 pm

Buzzard wrote:[

I did more than once. Everyone of the below quotes is from me in this single thread.



Couple things -- Having other "good" posts is never an excuse for a bad post. And you were given multiple opportunities to walk back your position of 2 swaps and instead doubled down. So you don't get credit for good intentions.

In other words homer valuations or sarcastic exaggerated counters for effect are both bad for the board so avoid them.

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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#99 » by Buzzard » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:41 pm

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Buzzard wrote:[

I did more than once. Everyone of the below quotes is from me in this single thread.



Couple things -- Having other "good" posts is never an excuse for a bad post. And you were given multiple opportunities to walk back your position of 2 swaps and instead doubled down. So you don't get credit for good intentions.

In other words homer valuations or sarcastic exaggerated counters for effect are both bad for the board so avoid them.

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Re: Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj] 

Post#100 » by dalton749 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:45 pm

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Buzzard wrote:I think Dallas is a good partner as well snce they may still value creating cap space in 2021.


Dallas has to be the assumed landing spot for Danny at this point. I’d say there is zero chance he ever puts a thunder jersey on. The other options I’d throw out there would be Minny, Atlanta or Brooklyn.

I am not going that far. CP3 put one on so Green could as well.


If Donovan hadn’t left I’d say there was a good chance they run it back with Paul/Shai/green/Gallo/adams but I can’t see that being the plan with a new coach in place.

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