Shams: Jrue to Milwaukee

Baddy Chuck · Post #81 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:47 am

kalenclayton wrote:Same here. I’m just not all that interested in Donte unless Bogi is getting some ridiculous money. I really don’t know how a deal gets done without some sort of draft compensation.

JW, what's ridiculous money?

WAKEANT · Post #82 » by **WAKEANT** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:49 am

skones wrote:This deal is BEYOND awful.

Absolutely shocked that a certain poster here is STILL unable to grasp why Holiday shouldn't have anywhere near this value relative to Bledsoe or the case I've made on the matter time and time again only to insert word after word into my mouth.

Yeah JHoliday is not much of an upgrade over Bledsoe, if any....

Holiday - Career per 36 min - 17.2 ppg, 6.9 apg, TS% .529, USG% 23.6 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 105, DRtg 108

Bledsoe - Career per 36 min - 18.3 ppg , 6.3 apg, TS% .558 USG% 23.9 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 108, DRtg 107

those 3 FRPs and swaps will bury them long term... short term, the Bucks are still title contenders but NOT any better than just hours ago

kalenclayton · Post #83 » by **kalenclayton** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:52 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Same here. I’m just not all that interested in Donte unless Bogi is getting some ridiculous money. I really don’t know how a deal gets done without some sort of draft compensation.

JW, what's ridiculous money?

I’m thinking something over $20 million per year. I love Bogi. He’s so much fun and has an awesome personality, but I am not so sure he’s worth more than $15 million.

Post #84 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:55 am

A sign and trade wouldn’t be a RFA deal that could be matched. The Hawks signing him could be, though.

Prospect Dong · Post #85 » by **Prospect Dong** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:58 am

WAKEANT wrote:
skones wrote:This deal is BEYOND awful.

Absolutely shocked that a certain poster here is STILL unable to grasp why Holiday shouldn't have anywhere near this value relative to Bledsoe or the case I've made on the matter time and time again only to insert word after word into my mouth.

Yeah JHoliday is not much of an upgrade over Bledsoe, if any....

Holiday - Career per 36 min - 17.2 ppg, 6.9 apg, TS% .529, USG% 23.6 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 105, DRtg 108

Bledsoe - Career per 36 min - 18.3 ppg , 6.3 apg, TS% .558 USG% 23.9 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 108, DRtg 107

those 3 FRPs and swaps will bury them long term... short term, the Bucks are still title contenders but NOT any better than just hours ago

I don't think career stats are the right way to compare them. I haven't looked, but my strong hunch would be that Bledsoe has been worse than Holiday for the last several years, especially if you adjust for him playing on a historical juggernaut.

skones · Post #86 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 am

Prospect Dong wrote:
I don't think career stats are the right way to compare them. I haven't looked, but my strong hunch would be that Bledsoe has been worse than Holiday for the last several years, especially if you adjust for him playing on a historical juggernaut.

You'd be wrong.

WAKEANT · Post #87 » by **WAKEANT** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:03 am

Prospect Dong wrote:
WAKEANT wrote:
skones wrote:This deal is BEYOND awful.

Absolutely shocked that a certain poster here is STILL unable to grasp why Holiday shouldn't have anywhere near this value relative to Bledsoe or the case I've made on the matter time and time again only to insert word after word into my mouth.

Yeah JHoliday is not much of an upgrade over Bledsoe, if any....

Holiday - Career per 36 min - 17.2 ppg, 6.9 apg, TS% .529, USG% 23.6 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 105, DRtg 108

Bledsoe - Career per 36 min - 18.3 ppg , 6.3 apg, TS% .558 USG% 23.9 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 108, DRtg 107

those 3 FRPs and swaps will bury them long term... short term, the Bucks are still title contenders but NOT any better than just hours ago

I don't think career stats are the right way to compare them. I haven't looked, but my strong hunch would be that Bledsoe has been worse than Holiday for the last several years, especially if you adjust for him playing on a historical juggernaut.

recent stats, Holiday is slightly better on offense

NoZoLakers · Post #88 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:05 am

its n overpay but if it gets Greek to re-sign, why not?

shrink · Post #89 » by **shrink** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:06 am

skones wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Is Jrue even a major upgrade over Bledsoe? Milwaukee overpaid but if Giannis extends then it's probably worth it .

No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

The Bucks own front office thinks Jrue is 3 1sts and 2 pickswaps better than Bledsoe.

WAKEANT · Post #90 » by **WAKEANT** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:07 am

Prospect Dong wrote:
WAKEANT wrote:
skones wrote:This deal is BEYOND awful.

Absolutely shocked that a certain poster here is STILL unable to grasp why Holiday shouldn't have anywhere near this value relative to Bledsoe or the case I've made on the matter time and time again only to insert word after word into my mouth.

Yeah JHoliday is not much of an upgrade over Bledsoe, if any....

Holiday - Career per 36 min - 17.2 ppg, 6.9 apg, TS% .529, USG% 23.6 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 105, DRtg 108

Bledsoe - Career per 36 min - 18.3 ppg , 6.3 apg, TS% .558 USG% 23.9 -- Per 100 poss. - ORtg 108, DRtg 107

those 3 FRPs and swaps will bury them long term... short term, the Bucks are still title contenders but NOT any better than just hours ago

I don't think career stats are the right way to compare them. I haven't looked, but my strong hunch would be that Bledsoe has been worse than Holiday for the last several years, especially if you adjust for him playing on a historical juggernaut.

actually the stats are still similar

Post #91 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am

shrink wrote:
skones wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Is Jrue even a major upgrade over Bledsoe? Milwaukee overpaid but if Giannis extends then it's probably worth it .

No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

The Bucks own front office thinks Jrue is 3 1sts and 2 pickswaps better than Bledsoe.

Like we literally just got a value check head to head

nolang1 · Post #92 » by **nolang1** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:10 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Same here. I’m just not all that interested in Donte unless Bogi is getting some ridiculous money. I really don’t know how a deal gets done without some sort of draft compensation.

JW, what's ridiculous money?

Well it's happening.

Post #93 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:12 am

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shrink · Post #94 » by **shrink** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:13 am

If I wanted to sell my used car, l don’t know if I should ask, Presti or David Griffin?

Post #95 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 am

Even if this is enough to keep Giannis, how do you improve the team beyond holiday, Giannis and Middleton?

Post #96 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 am

shrink wrote:If I wanted to sell my used car, l don’t know if I should ask, Presti or David Griffin?

If those are your choices set it on fire and take the insurance money

Commodor · Post #97 » by **Commodor** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:16 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Even if this is enough to keep Giannis, how do you improve the team beyond holiday, Giannis and Middleton?

Bogdonovic for Illyasova, DDV and Wilson apparently.

Post #98 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:18 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Even if this is enough to keep Giannis, how do you improve the team beyond holiday, Giannis and Middleton?

Nevermind. Lol.

skones · Post #99 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:22 am

shrink wrote:
skones wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Is Jrue even a major upgrade over Bledsoe? Milwaukee overpaid but if Giannis extends then it's probably worth it .

No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

The Bucks own front office thinks Jrue is 3 1sts and 2 pickswaps better than Bledsoe.

Cool, well I've made it very clear that I don't. I don't see why that's difficult to understand.

skones · Post #100 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:24 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
shrink wrote:
skones wrote:No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

The Bucks own front office thinks Jrue is 3 1sts and 2 pickswaps better than Bledsoe.

Like we literally just got a value check head to head

I don't know why you think that somehow makes a case it's not a lateral move, because it doesn't. It's almost as if year after year, we have deals made that are imbalanced, leaning from one team to another as far as advantages are concerned, despite every deal being "value checked head to head."

Who won the trade?