[WOJ] PJ Tucker to MIL

[HotelVitale]

Please tell me how this isn't God awful for Milwaukee. Who in the world came anywhere near this type of package where Milwaukee felt this is what they had to give up?

What do you think MIL gave up? They gave up one first and got another first back, and the second first they gave up is actually just a swap for HOU's 2nd--so it's likely to be maybe #35 swapped for #25.

In other words, the whole trade was the Bucks dropping about ten picks once in exchange for two okay rotation guys, and they also dropped a bad contract too. It might not be a big win, but it's not a big loss.

[Prez]

The value is fine when you don’t ignore Augustin’s contract sucked just like he did as a player. They basically delayed their already outgoing first from ‘22 to ‘23, and will drop about 6-8 spots in this upcoming draft to dump a bad multi year contract and pick up Tucker. Even if Tucker is totally washed the value isn’t bad - if he’s actually rejuvenated a bit and contributes, it could be a good deal.

Now obviously it sucks that they’re basically correcting a prior mistake with the Augustin deal, but trying to grade this deal in a vacuum here.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Isiah Thomas to Bucks confirmed. This is good trade for both teams.

[bondom34]

Yeah I'm coming around a little on this in a vacuum for the Bucks. They need a backup PG but think I probably would be closer to "both" thinking more.

[jbk1234]

So maybe it's me, but if Jrue stays I'm seeing no difference between the 2022 and 2023 pick. If Jrue leaves, and I'm out of picks, I want that 2022 pick.

But in terms of the rest, it's dicey for the Bucks as a team. Staying out of the tax this year has value, because that repeater tax has value even if you're only delaying it. I had Augustine as negative value and easily replaceable with the taxpayer MLE. But I'm just not sold on Tucker.

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[Couch Potato]

Isiah Thomas to Bucks confirmed. This is good trade for both teams.

I'm not seeing any confirmation yet. But read some stating Bucks or Lakers. LeBron did have IT traded yet again from old days of Cavs. So maybe he said no to Lakers then? That's my wild guess.

[nolang1]

The only way this is a bad deal for Milwaukee is if Giannis misses the entire 2023 season, other than that, I love this for Milwaukee, even if PJ Tucker doesn't even play at all.

They dumped Augustine contract (and that's an awful contract) they got out of the LT, they got back an early 2nd, and all they gave up was a late 1st.

The 2021 for 2023 1st could be bad if Giannis misses a lot of time in 2023, other than that, they'll still be a playoff team, and that will likely be a late 1st, probably in the same range the 2021 1st will be, so it's irrelevant.

So I have Milwaukee as big winners of this deal. If PJ Tucker help them in the playoffs, this is an absolutely steal.

This kind of thing came up in the Jrue trade as well, and it's kind of interesting how the goalposts have already moved from "all the picks will be at the end of the first round" to "they'll still be a playoff team." When the baseline is for Giannis to be the MVP and healthy for the entire season, it doesn't take much deviation from that (especially when considering he'll need to be carrying the team more in '23 vs. '22 with everyone being older) for the pick to move up 5-10 spots.

[Couch Potato]

Why is the IT signing quiet? Not confirmed since Aldridge is possibly bought out? Is he in the Bucks plans to sign cheap before IT? Then trade like two players like Lopez and DDV for something and open a spot for IT? If I was the Bucks i'd try Lopez and DDV and that first for Patty Mills. Then try and land Aldridge. If not then IT.

[WRau1]

Why is the IT signing quiet? Not confirmed since Aldridge is possibly bought out? Is he in the Bucks plans to sign cheap before IT? Then trade like two players like Lopez and DDV for something and open a spot for IT? If I was the Bucks i'd try Lopez and DDV and that first for Patty Mills. Then try and land Aldridge. If not then IT.

I wouldn't trade DDV straight up for Mills and I'm a big Mills fan. Lopez for Mills though, I'd do that in a second.

[Couch Potato]

Why is the IT signing quiet? Not confirmed since Aldridge is possibly bought out? Is he in the Bucks plans to sign cheap before IT? Then trade like two players like Lopez and DDV for something and open a spot for IT? If I was the Bucks i'd try Lopez and DDV and that first for Patty Mills. Then try and land Aldridge. If not then IT.

I wouldn't trade DDV straight up for Mills and I'm a big Mills fan. Lopez for Mills though, I'd do that in a second.

Well i'm guessing Pop's is on the out's if Aldridge is leaving. Yeah vets beg all the time. Maybe Pops around yet? I think this could be his last year. Maybe Lopez and that first for Mills is enough? Kind gesture for Bud?

[gambitx777]

If they add more off the buy out market ok then. But this is risky that swap is only protected 1-9. So if something happens to any one on that team with 15 or more games to go. That swap could be a second for a lot pick

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[Texas Chuck]

If they add more off the buy out market ok then. But this is risky that swap is only protected 1-9. So if something happens to any one on that team with 15 or more games to go. That swap could be a second for a lot pick

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It's basically impossible for the Bucks to end up in the lottery. Even if Giannis himself missed 15 games they aren't going 3-12 in that stretch especially as the deeper you into in the season the more teams start tanking.

[mlloyd10]

Out of all the Bucks posters, only a handful hate it.

Majority of Bucks fans like the trade - Biggest net gain is the buyout market. George Hill could come back

[Texas Chuck]

Out of all the Bucks posters, only a handful hate it.

Majority of Bucks fans like the trade - Biggest net gain is the buyout market. George Hill could come back

Hill coming back would be huge, but I would not count on it. If Presti could get a 2nd for Trevor Ariza he can absolutely do at least as well for Hill.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Out of all the Bucks posters, only a handful hate it.

Majority of Bucks fans like the trade - Biggest net gain is the buyout market. George Hill could come back

Hill coming back would be huge, but I would not count on it. If Presti could get a 2nd for Trevor Ariza he can absolutely do at least as well for Hill.

Less than 2% chance Hill gets bought out, and definitely not by OKC.

I don’t have any problem with this specific trade I think it slightly favors Houston. But the circumstances under which it happened are the result of a series of bad and otherwise confounding moves that left limited flexibility.

[jbk1234]

Out of all the Bucks posters, only a handful hate it.

Majority of Bucks fans like the trade - Biggest net gain is the buyout market. George Hill could come back

Can Hill come back this season?

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[Prokorov]

love this for the bucks. they get a guy with a big competitive edge and can sit lopez in crunch time for PJ

[kingcong95]

Out of all the Bucks posters, only a handful hate it.

Majority of Bucks fans like the trade - Biggest net gain is the buyout market. George Hill could come back

Can Hill come back this season?

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No, unless OKC trade him to another team who cuts him. You cannot trade for a player you traded away in the same year.
The fact that Hill had to be sent away for Holiday just to match salary is why the Bucks had to overpay Augustin to begin with.

[Prospect Dong]

Win/Win deal.

People will see PJ play like a dog again and will feel stupid for talking **** about this deal.

Augustin is a 2 year contract too.

Tucker/Giannis from court is NASTY.

This is Trump/former-Mexican President-level ambiguous usage of "like a dog".

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/feb/20/guardianobituaries

[Prospect Dong]

I actually like Kurucs as a sneaky pickup for Milwaukee in this deal. However, I think PJ Tucker may be running on empty at this point, and I don't see why the Bucks would make their 2023 pick unprotected. Also, I thought Augustin was an important rotation player for them.

The key to the deal for Houston was probably to swap their early 2nd for a late 1st this year, which is probably better value than the late 2nds other teams were offering. Per Stepien rule, in order to do that, the Bucks needed to get their 2022 1st back, which is why they gave the Rockets their 2023 1st.

I do wonder what the Bucks plan to do about backup PG. This deal leaves them with 13 players on the roster, and they have hard cap room to sign two rest-of-season deal. Perhaps they can create more flexibility if they find another team to take Kurucs, but completely getting out of the tax is a longshot. I think he was only required to make the numbers match up since he couldn't get off the bench for the Rockets until all their guys started going down.

Yeah, it does potentially feel a bit like that Cavs midseason trade for Jiri Welsch from back in 2005 as part of their big push to make the playoffs with Lebron: to send out the actual compensation for Welsch they needed to remove the protection from the pick they owed Charlotte.

No problem, because they were making the playoffs so the pick would convey anyway. But, Welsch bombed, the playoff push fell short and they ended up sending a lotto pick (albeit late lotto: it became Sean May) along with the actual price of getting Welsch.

If I'm remembering everything correctly, I think that was the move that finally cost Paxson his job in Cleveland...