Woj: Powell for Trent, Hood

[Troubadour]

i don't love this one for either side.

From TOR's perspective, if your going into the $20MM range for this level of player, i'd prefer to pay Powell. Or I'd prefer someone cost controlled and/or picks.

From POR's perspective, your going to have $80MM tied up in 3 guards below 6-3. I would have prefered to move trent for a wing with size. In the short term I guess if you weren't going to pay Trent, and couldn't justify trading him for a downgrade with Dame, then the short term upgrade to Powell makes some sense.

But I really don't like this for Toronto. The formula to winning isn't paying average to above average starters $20MM per year (and they will have 3 in that range with FVV and OG along with Trent) and if your going there, why not just keep Powell.

Do you think Trent gets that in free agency? I think part of the appeal is having a much lower cap hold that gives you the option to sign a free agent and then re-sign Trent. With Norm, it was one or the other.

trading for restricted free agents always worries me because all it takes is one team with its core on rookie scale deals to overpay to try to steal a player.

Fair, but I think there are bigger targets out there for that kind of move. Ball, Allen, Collins, and Monk even.

[gom]

Norman Powell for the Blazers is a great move. I like the players going to Toronto too though.

[Myth]

Trent isn’t going to be much cheaper for TOR to re-sign than Powell would’ve been. And Powell is better offensively and Hood is dead money. Portland win.

Portland doesn't have 16 shots to go around to Powell coming off the bench. Portland also has desperate need for SF/PF/C starters. Very unlikely to resign him after this year. They're punting youth for a rental in a season that already looks dismal. Terrible trade, from a Portland fan perspective.

Portland gave up 18fga in Trent and Hood. I don’t see why Powell can’t get near 16.

[tester551]

Because the most likely scenario is still a first round exit + Powell leaving this summer.

Trent was likely leaving this summer as well. Matching an offer at 18-20 makes him immediately a terrible trade asset. And then our fans would be crying about that. So if you're unlikely to retain either, might as well swap out for the better player.

You're looking at it the wrong way. I have no problems with Trent being traded... You don't however trade an asset for a rental unless that rental changes your trajectory.

The obvious end-game here is a fire sale in the off-season after another 1st round exit. Why?... Because Portland refuses to use assets to build a roster around Lillard that fits.

It will be interesting to see in the remaining season.
There could be a strong argument that Powell fits better with Dame than CJ does.

[Blazinaway]

Trent isn’t going to be much cheaper for TOR to re-sign than Powell would’ve been. And Powell is better offensively and Hood is dead money. Portland win.

Portland doesn't have 16 shots to go around to Powell coming off the bench. Portland also has desperate need for SF/PF/C starters. Very unlikely to resign him after this year. They're punting youth for a rental in a season that already looks dismal. Terrible trade, from a Portland fan perspective.

Portland gave up 18fga in Trent and Hood. I don’t see why Powell can’t get near 16.

correct, and why wouldn't Powell play a good bit of SF? I read 40% of his minutes are at SF, would not be surprised if he started games at SF with ROCO ay the 4, Nurk is due back tomorrow as well

[tester551]

Something not being talked about now but will be in about an hour when Kyle Kowry is still a Raptor....is the fact that the Raptors didn't have e the Cap room to re-sign both Powell and Lowry. Keeping then both meant at least 1 of then were going to walk for nothing. With this deal for Trent and his tiny $2mill cap hild the Raptors now have the ability to re-sign Lowry to his 2/50 he requested.

So basically you get Lowry + Trent vs having just Lowry or Norm. You couldn't have both.

Big W for the Raptors.

Raptors had bird rights on both Lowry and Powell. Theoretically, they could have re-signed both to contracts up to the max.

[CptCrunch]

Gary Trent Jr is likely the best player in the trade.

[Blazinaway]

Gary Trent Jr is likely the best player in the trade.

no way IMO, he's come down to earth a good bit after a very hot start, his D is avg at best, and IMO he's too much of a chucker, has been taking a lot of bad shots (contract year?), IMO if gets to be as good as Powell is now that would be is max upside

[JasonStern]

Gary Trent Jr is likely the best player in the trade.

Short-term? No.
Long-term? Likely.

[Morris_Shatford]

Gary Trent Jr is likely the best player in the trade.

Long term, maybe?
But right now Norm is playing on a different level.

[The Graduate]

I mean... some will disagree but unless something for CJ is lined up, I view this as an utter disaster for Portland.

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Powell will not be retained. Powell doesn't change the trajectory of the team. Trent has value. Portland should get long-term value for Trent unless it's a needle-moving short term move. This is the Aaron Afflalo trade all over again. It's a disastrous mismanagement of home-grown assets for Portland.

Why in the world would Powell not be retained? At least sign him as an asset. You can move him or CJ later if so desired.

[Roy The Natural]

How is upgrading Trent to Powell an utter disaster?

Powell will not be retained. Powell doesn't change the trajectory of the team. Trent has value. Portland should get long-term value for Trent unless it's a needle-moving short term move. This is the Aaron Afflalo trade all over again. It's a disastrous mismanagement of home-grown assets for Portland.

Why in the world would Powell not be retained? At least sign him as an asset. You can move him or CJ later if so desired.

I'm sure they'd "like" to retain him. I doubt that Portland will pony up the money required however. I don't see Portland sinking $110M a year into 3 guards.

[Nate the Great]

2nd Time Toronto has traded for Gary Trent from Portland

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-14-sp-19093-story.html

Specifically, Gary Trent Sr. and Jr. were both traded from Portland to Toronto 41 games into their third seasons. That’s quite a coincidence.

[loserX]

2nd Time Toronto has traded for Gary Trent from Portland

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-14-sp-19093-story.html

Specifically, Gary Trent Sr. and Jr. were both traded from Portland to Toronto 41 games into their third seasons. That’s quite a coincidence.

That. Is. Amazing.

[Myth]

2nd Time Toronto has traded for Gary Trent from Portland

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-14-sp-19093-story.html

Specifically, Gary Trent Sr. and Jr. were both traded from Portland to Toronto 41 games into their third seasons. That’s quite a coincidence.

That. Is. Amazing.

Now we just need a Gary III to be born next year to restart the cycle.

[BuddyBuckets]

I like Trent for Toronto moving forward, it's great compensation for Powell. I like the deal for Portland too trying to make a deep playoff run now. I think it's a win-win deal

[Brandon-Clyde]

2nd Time Toronto has traded for Gary Trent from Portland

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-14-sp-19093-story.html

Specifically, Gary Trent Sr. and Jr. were both traded from Portland to Toronto 41 games into their third seasons. That’s quite a coincidence.

Both were also drafted by another team( Senior by Milwaukee and Junior by Sacramento) but were traded to Portland as part of draft day deals.

[Blazinaway]

Wow, only one game but after what I saw from Powell last night I think POR crushed this trade, what a talented/efficient player, doesn't force things like our other guards too often do, great shooter, passed well. Bottom line fit like a glove in first game with new team. Easily another full level above Trent Jr IMO - I hope Gary eventually gets here as he is a good guy and hard worker

[Parataxis]

Wow, only one game but after what I saw from Powell last night I think POR crushed this trade, what a talented/efficient player, doesn't force things like our other guards too often do, great shooter, passed well. Bottom line fit like a glove in first game with new team. Easily another full level above Trent Jr IMO - I hope Gary eventually gets here as he is a good guy and hard worker

Powell is the sort of player who can fit well into lots of systems. He's unselfish, smart, and knows when to pick his opportunities.

[Yenrallik1111]

Gary Trent Jr is likely the best player in the trade.

no way IMO, he's come down to earth a good bit after a very hot start, his D is avg at best, and IMO he's too much of a chucker, has been taking a lot of bad shots (contract year?), IMO if gets to be as good as Powell is now that would be is max upside

gotta disagree here. Trent is 22, Norm is 27. Norm has pretty solid numbers but trent is not too far behind. tamponto has also been pretty good at developing young talent. I do not see trent turning into a star but the dude can get a fair amount better yet.