Woj: Dipo to Miami

[MoneyTalks41890]

How true the Rockets can swap the pick they got from the Nets?

Pretty true I think

[Scoot McGroot]

How true the Rockets can swap the pick they got from the Nets?

According to what’s been published so far, it appears that the Rockets can swap either 1st they currently have in the 2022 draft for the Heat’s 1st round pick in that draft. But, new information could be released that clears it up more later on.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay now that I've had some time to get over them not getting Lowry, gonna try and re-evaluate this for the Heat.

Positives:

Dragic can be really fresh and healthy in the playoffs. Butler can get some reduced load as well. Dipo isn't good, but he can handle some usage and that should pay dividends in the playoffs.

Miami has 2 great players and then some really good, but also really inconsistent role players. Dipo is just another option for Spo to pull from the bag on nights when Herro, Nunn, Iggy, Ariza, or Dragic don't have it going.

I think their best lineups would be Bam at the 5 and Butler at the 4 and swapping Olynyk for Dipo pretty much ensures we are going to see that. Bjelica is the only other big they could even really play. And LMA if he shows up really isn't the answer.

Flexbility this off-season. You trade for Lowry, you re-sign him. Now I think that's a great option, but this gives them more. Dipo has to play into those plans at this point not out of them.

Dipo isn't still the defender of his reputation, but he's better than what they had for smaller guards.


I still don't like it, but once I accept Lowry wasn't something they were willing to pay for(and I'm not arguing the price--so whatever price you assume, I'll assume) I'm more meh than negative.

[Texas Chuck]

For Houston the best I can say is they saved some money which is always a small win and got rid of another guy who probably didn't want to be there so that's a win. Plus since Dipo wanted Miami and got Miami, you won some points with an agent and other agents will have taken notice as well.

For those who think LeVert is a real prize, that decision was made before, but I was fine with taking the expiring and the pick rather than LeVert and a guy they'd have to pay in Allen plus a bad contract in Prince. That decision wasn't the problem. And not their fault Dipo was terrible and pouty.

[jayjaysee]

Think Dipo to Miami in the offseason was a made clear by this value.

Maybe I’m just the last person to view Dipo is a good basketball player. But think the only way his value is this low was his agent made his offseason plans clear.

[skones]

I'm shocked that there are only 3 people in the both teams lose category. The idea of Oladipo is way better than Oladipo actually IS. My worry would be that he's a name and ego that warrants touches that are better served going to other guys. He doesn't move the needle for Miami IMO.

Miami got a talent upgrade for sure, but If I'm Miami. I'm disappointed that THIS was the move (much like I am with our getting PJ Tucker).

[Texas Chuck]

Think Dipo to Miami in the offseason was a made clear by this value.

Maybe I’m just the last person to view Dipo is a good basketball player. But think the only way his value is this low was his agent made his offseason plans clear.

If he was good, doesn't he still have value as a known rental? Like you know he's not re-signing but he's a good player who helps a playoff run? Norman Powell returned a solid RFA with Portland probably quite unsure if they can pay him.

But Alec Burks has very quietly been good playing about half the game for going on 2 years now. And you were the last believer there. So maybe Dipo was waiting for it to be he and jay against the basketball world and he's about to give the Heat a couple good months and a solid playoff run.

[jayjaysee]

But Alec Burks has very quietly been good playing about half the game for going on 2 years now.

That’s all I read. I told you all.

Yeah. While I will definitely eat my crow on Dipo’s value, I’ll wait to eat crow on Dipo not being good. And honestly just like Alec, I’ll make up excuses for Dipo for a few years. Don’t know why I’m such a fanboy. I don’t think he’s a superstar, just think he can be what he was for the pacers that year.

But Alec just needed Paul Pierce to retire. Still believe he would have been an all star if it weren’t for that play.

[Hal14]

Everyone seems to be crowning the Heat winners at the deadline and the Celtics losers but...

-Fournier scoring average about even with Oladipo
-Fournier much higher scoring efficiency
-Fournier just hit game winner last night to beat Suns, the no. 2 seed in the West
-Fournier is 3 inches taller
-Both same age
-Both in last year of contract
-All BOS gave up was two 2nd rounders which will likely amount to nothing and Teague, who has sat at the end of the Celtics bench most of the year whereas MIA gave up their starting PF, a quality reserve guard who has barely played this year (basically equal to Teague but I think most would agree Bradley is better than Teague and 2 years younger) and a 1st round pick swap.
-Oladipo had issues with team chemistry / simply not being happy with the team / not wanting to be on the team in Indiana and in Houston..MIA is really rolling the dicing by putting 2 hot heads with aggressive personalities who both want the ball in their hands (Butler, Oladipo) on the same team.. whereas Fournier has been a good teammate who has never caused any issues with the team he's been on
-Seems like MIA gave up slightly more for a slightly worse player

[Texas Chuck]

Everyone seems to be crowning the Heat winners at the deadline and the Celtics losers but...

Well this is a false narrative.....

Boston also sacrificed Theis and a big chunk of their TPE. If it was just an expiring and 2 seconds for Fournier, they would be universally seen as a winner.

[Hal14]

Everyone seems to be crowning the Heat winners at the deadline and the Celtics losers but...

Well this is a false narrative.....

Boston also sacrificed Theis and a big chunk of their TPE. If it was just an expiring and 2 seconds for Fournier, they would be universally seen as a winner.

Well, it's the narrative being written here:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-deadline-winners-losers-lakers-and-celtics-fall-short-heat-finesse-rockets-for-victor-oladipo/

The Theis deal was necessary to clear cap space. Also, Wagner has more long term potential than Theis (and Ainge is thinking long term since Tatum is only 23, Brown is only 24, both will be here for a long time and he knows this probably isn't a championship team this year anyways)..but even in the short term, Wagner is arguably just as good as Theis (slightly better PER, about equal TS% over the past 2 years, slight edge rebounding % for Theis, about even defensively, Wagner is the better passer).

I think Wagner could end up being a really good player..5 years younger than Theis, 3 inches taller, a step quicker, tied for 1st on WAS in defensive rating, 0.9 steals per game which is 2.1 steals per 36 mins which would lead the league (league leader in steals averages 1.8).

[jbk1234]

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Well...

If this is the entirety of the draft compensation they received, the Rockets should've just held out for a S&T opportunity. This is an absurdly bad return.

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[K_chile22]

Yeah really struggling to see any positive Houston spin, and I'm fairly low on LeVert. I'd say right now you could get more for LeVert or Allen alone than they just got for Oladipo. And the best case right now is a 50% shot at just getting a pick that some day might be as good as the guy you could have traded Harden for in the first place.

Don't know what Allen has to do with this though, he wasn't involved with getting Victor, he got them a first rounder, so he literally did get them more than they got for oladipo

[K_chile22]

A couple things that I thought were at least semi interesting regarding the Oladipo saga that came out from the Feigen:

1. oladipo sitting out back to backs was all him. Rockets didn't want him to or think he had to, and probably think it hurt his value. Can't say I really blame him though

2. Rockets seemed to be pretty done with Oladipo and just wanted to give KPJ all his minutes, so they were willing to take whatever no matter how bad it got

[bondom34]

Yeah really struggling to see any positive Houston spin, and I'm fairly low on LeVert. I'd say right now you could get more for LeVert or Allen alone than they just got for Oladipo. And the best case right now is a 50% shot at just getting a pick that some day might be as good as the guy you could have traded Harden for in the first place.

Don't know what Allen has to do with this though, he wasn't involved with getting Victor, he got them a first rounder, so he literally did get them more than they got for oladipo

This directly nothing, seemed the convo up thread was talking back to the Harden trade (and I'd value him over one of the picks too).

[K_chile22]

Yeah really struggling to see any positive Houston spin, and I'm fairly low on LeVert. I'd say right now you could get more for LeVert or Allen alone than they just got for Oladipo. And the best case right now is a 50% shot at just getting a pick that some day might be as good as the guy you could have traded Harden for in the first place.

Don't know what Allen has to do with this though, he wasn't involved with getting Victor, he got them a first rounder, so he literally did get them more than they got for oladipo

This directly nothing, seemed the convo up thread was talking back to the Harden trade (and I'd value him over one of the picks too).

Why tho? Id much rather have a FRP than pay my backup center $20M, which is what he'd be


Levert-Dipo thing was a Risk and it blew up in their face

[bondom34]

Don't know what Allen has to do with this though, he wasn't involved with getting Victor, he got them a first rounder, so he literally did get them more than they got for oladipo

This directly nothing, seemed the convo up thread was talking back to the Harden trade (and I'd value him over one of the picks too).

Why tho? Id much rather have a FRP than pay my backup center $20M, which is what he'd be


Levert-Dipo thing was a Risk and it blew up in their face

Edited: It was the Bucks pick, which is 20s range, and the likelihood of that being a player as good as Allen is relatively low.


I thought they did OK in the Harden deal, but thought the Cavs got the best of it at the time, and this part was definitely fumbled.

[RoyceDa59]

Absolute steal. Miami is the perfect fit for him, and all it cost them was a late first plus some spare parts.

I agree that Dipo was at one point overrated but he’s still young with plenty of skill and has recently become underrated. Miami is a winning franchise and Spoelstra will find ways to get the most out of him. Miami doesn’t need him to be the star, and I think he’ll thrive next to Butler. Riley acquired him when his stock was at its lowest.

Houston should have just kept LaVert what are they doing?

[K_chile22]

This directly nothing, seemed the convo up thread was talking back to the Harden trade (and I'd value him over one of the picks too).

Why tho? Id much rather have a FRP than pay my backup center $20M, which is what he'd be


Levert-Dipo thing was a Risk and it blew up in their face

Edited: It was the Bucks pick, which is 20s range, and the likelihood of that being a player as good as Allen is relatively low.


I thought they did OK in the Harden deal, but thought the Cavs got the best of it at the time, and this part was definitely fumbled.

Is Allen the guy their future is dependent on? Absolutely not, so again, what does spending $20M on him do for them. He won't have positive value on that deal, he'll be properly paid. Made no sense to hold onto him


It made sense for the cavs given the core in place so its fine for them to lock in with him. He'd just be blocking the rockets from cap space while playing a low value position

[bondom34]

Why tho? Id much rather have a FRP than pay my backup center $20M, which is what he'd be


Levert-Dipo thing was a Risk and it blew up in their face

Edited: It was the Bucks pick, which is 20s range, and the likelihood of that being a player as good as Allen is relatively low.


I thought they did OK in the Harden deal, but thought the Cavs got the best of it at the time, and this part was definitely fumbled.

Is Allen the guy their future is dependent on? Absolutely not, so again, what does spending $20M on him do for them. He won't have positive value on that deal, he'll be properly paid. Made no sense to hold onto him

I'd say the same could be said about Wood, and there's no guarantees what his contract is, but flipping him for a late first wasn't great IMO. Thinking more its probably fine value, but I'd also want good young players.


I guess I just don't see the pick turning into a player as good as him, at which point would I rather a useful player or a likely less useful one? Like looking back I'm struggling to say I'd rather a couple late firsts and a swap to Allen and LeVert, and don't know if Christian Wood is a guy you build around either. It could have been Allen/LeVert, now it's Kelly Olynk and Avery Bradley. With the difference being a pick in the 20s.

Edit again: Also remembered this convo was about Simmons as the alternative, which I'd take over this either way.