[Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT

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3-Way trade: your thoughts?

Oh TT, Yeah You Know Me: Kings win. They needed to swap out a guard for size and did exactly that.
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9%
The Wright Stuff: Hawks win, getting a big backup PG who can play behind, and sometimes with, Trae.
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Dirty Deeds? Dunn, Dirt Cheap: Celtics win, clearing minutes for young bigs and saving $$$ for other uses.
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Triple Whammy: nobody wins. This is just a shuffle of bodies that doesn't accomplish anything for anyone.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#81 » by loserX » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:21 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:What is Boston up to other than clearing cap space? Seems like they are gearing up for something.


Looks like they're fitting guys into their TPEs...wonder if they're waiting for the aggregation date to pass and then using them all to match salary together, something they can't do with TPEs.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#82 » by Sactowndog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:15 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm the opposite of most people on the Kings here. I think Wright's value was getting pretty out of whack on this board for a while now and it was obvious even before the draft that they had to address the frontcourt desperately and without moving a guard that wasn't likely to be possible. Could trade Bagley for space or a vet and use the MLE on another and still be short at least 2 bodies.

I think Thompson is every bit the big man equivilent of Wright too. He's limited, but really good at the stuff he's good at and doesn't attempt to do things he shouldn't. If they keep him, they will get 20-25 solid minutes out of him and definitely more utility than they would have gotten out of Wright.

And again they sacrificed no value here. Wright simply wasn't worth what people were demanding here. I think their team is better today than yesterday especially since Wright, like Hield has proven to be a headache when not getting the minutes/role he thinks he deserves along with family members getting involved. Kings are the last team to need two of those guys on their bench egging each other on.


Well considering they gave up 2 seconds and a non-guaranteed CoJo for Wright 6 months ago and now traded for a marginal Thompson as back-up centers which can be had cheap. So you basically gave up 2 seconds and added 7M in cap space through your moves. That doesn’t even cover if they resign Richardson who for whom they gave up another second.

Vlade didn’t leave Monte much but he has managed to **** up even the limited assets Vlade did leave him. This statement will be further reinforced if Holmes walks for nothing.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#83 » by SNPA » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:45 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm the opposite of most people on the Kings here. I think Wright's value was getting pretty out of whack on this board for a while now and it was obvious even before the draft that they had to address the frontcourt desperately and without moving a guard that wasn't likely to be possible. Could trade Bagley for space or a vet and use the MLE on another and still be short at least 2 bodies.

I think Thompson is every bit the big man equivilent of Wright too. He's limited, but really good at the stuff he's good at and doesn't attempt to do things he shouldn't. If they keep him, they will get 20-25 solid minutes out of him and definitely more utility than they would have gotten out of Wright.

And again they sacrificed no value here. Wright simply wasn't worth what people were demanding here. I think their team is better today than yesterday especially since Wright, like Hield has proven to be a headache when not getting the minutes/role he thinks he deserves along with family members getting involved. Kings are the last team to need two of those guys on their bench egging each other on.

ATL won. They got the best player, the poll only reinforces this.

Your dislike of Wright from his Dallas days continues to cloud your view of him.

McNair panicked. He thought he had the Buddy deal, and when it fell through he continued his draft plan but knew he had move a guard quick because the Fox trade narrative was getting going. So he moved Wright for the first big man he could find and lost in value.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#84 » by SNPA » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:48 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:I'm the opposite of most people on the Kings here. I think Wright's value was getting pretty out of whack on this board for a while now and it was obvious even before the draft that they had to address the frontcourt desperately and without moving a guard that wasn't likely to be possible. Could trade Bagley for space or a vet and use the MLE on another and still be short at least 2 bodies.

I think Thompson is every bit the big man equivilent of Wright too. He's limited, but really good at the stuff he's good at and doesn't attempt to do things he shouldn't. If they keep him, they will get 20-25 solid minutes out of him and definitely more utility than they would have gotten out of Wright.

And again they sacrificed no value here. Wright simply wasn't worth what people were demanding here. I think their team is better today than yesterday especially since Wright, like Hield has proven to be a headache when not getting the minutes/role he thinks he deserves along with family members getting involved. Kings are the last team to need two of those guys on their bench egging each other on.


Well considering they gave up 2 seconds and a non-guaranteed CoJo for Wright 6 months ago and now traded for a marginal Thompson as back-up centers which can be had cheap. So you basically gave up 2 seconds and added 7M in cap space through your moves. That doesn’t even cover if they resign Richardson who for whom they gave up another second.

Vlade didn’t leave Monte much but he has managed to **** up even the limited assets Vlade did leave him. This statement will be further reinforced if Holmes walks for nothing.

I disagree with this. Vlade left all their firsts and a boatload of seconds, a young star, a proven two way wing on a good deal, a starting center, and no albatross contracts (Buddy’s deal is no where close to an albatross). There was plenty to work from, many GM’s have started in way worse spots.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#85 » by Sactowndog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:13 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:I'm the opposite of most people on the Kings here. I think Wright's value was getting pretty out of whack on this board for a while now and it was obvious even before the draft that they had to address the frontcourt desperately and without moving a guard that wasn't likely to be possible. Could trade Bagley for space or a vet and use the MLE on another and still be short at least 2 bodies.

I think Thompson is every bit the big man equivilent of Wright too. He's limited, but really good at the stuff he's good at and doesn't attempt to do things he shouldn't. If they keep him, they will get 20-25 solid minutes out of him and definitely more utility than they would have gotten out of Wright.

And again they sacrificed no value here. Wright simply wasn't worth what people were demanding here. I think their team is better today than yesterday especially since Wright, like Hield has proven to be a headache when not getting the minutes/role he thinks he deserves along with family members getting involved. Kings are the last team to need two of those guys on their bench egging each other on.

ATL won. They got the best player, the poll only reinforces this.

Your dislike of Wright from his Dallas days continues to cloud your view of him.

McNair panicked. He thought he had the Buddy deal, and when it fell through he continued his draft plan but knew he had move a guard quick because the Fox trade narrative was getting going. So he moved Wright for the first big man he could find and lost in value.


I don’t think people get Wright was our second best 3 point shooter percentage wise and our best perimeter defender. I was just coming around he was worth the 2 seconds and extra cap space until Monte proved me wrong.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#86 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:47 pm

SNPA wrote:Your dislike of Wright from his Dallas days continues to cloud your view of him.


If you believe this to be true you should ignore my posts about him instead of responding to them. I happen to think I do a pretty good job of setting aside players time in Dallas when assessing their value.

When he was a Mavs I was prepared to pay to dump him. And they kinda did though had they just taken Ariza instead of Johnson it would have been free. I literally posted a deal hours before this happened where the Kings got some salary relief and a 2nd round pick for Wright.

Odd how I'm able to adjust a player's value as circumstances change when you are convinced I'm just anti-Wright because of that long Dallas tenure....
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#88 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:39 pm

Kings read this board and realized Texas Chuck's year long propaganda campaign had been too effective and now are demanding additional value for Wright. Only explanation really.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#89 » by Sactowndog » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:04 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Kings read this board and realized Texas Chuck's year long propaganda campaign had been too effective and now are demanding additional value for Wright. Only explanation really.


Not really and I looked up Wrights stats in Dallas versus his time in Sac and they were very different players. So I get why we have vastly different perspectives on him. Was his time in Sac an anomaly? Hard to say. But in Sac he shot the three well and played good defense.

For at least this year until Mitchell proves his worth it looks like a big step back to Kings fans.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#90 » by SNPA » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:18 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Kings read this board and realized Texas Chuck's year long propaganda campaign had been too effective and now are demanding additional value for Wright. Only explanation really.

The poll has 11% thinking the Kings won and 6% saying all three teams won.

Wright has more value than McNair got. You can be in the minority and disagree, no problem.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#91 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:25 pm

SNPA wrote:Wright has more value than McNair got. You can be in the minority and disagree, no problem.


I mean the deal isn't done so you might be right, maybe the Kings get more value. But generally when a player gets traded I have that trade determining their value.

Saying anything else just comes across as refusing to admit one was incorrect on the value. I pegged him literally right before the trade as worth expirings and a 2nd. And as of now, I pretty much nailed it only the Kings chose to take their value in a center who can help them over an expiring who can't and a 2nd. Which seems like a really reasonable choice for them honestly.

As to my post you responded to obviously that was just me being cheeky based on your comments that my bias against Wright had me getting his value wrong, despite me getting it exactly right. :D Proof that any bias I may have didn't interfere with my ability to set his value accurately.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#92 » by SNPA » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:32 pm

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SNPA wrote:Wright has more value than McNair got. You can be in the minority and disagree, no problem.


I mean the deal isn't done so you might be right, maybe the Kings get more value. But generally when a player gets traded I have that trade determining their value.

Saying anything else just comes across as refusing to admit one was incorrect on the value. I pegged him literally right before the trade as worth expirings and a 2nd. And as of now, I pretty much nailed it only the Kings chose to take their value in a center who can help them over an expiring who can't and a 2nd. Which seems like a really reasonable choice for them honestly.

As to my post you responded to obviously that was just me being cheeky based on your comments that my bias against Wright had me getting his value wrong, despite me getting it exactly right. :D Proof that any bias I may have didn't interfere with my ability to set his value accurately.

GM’s can lose a trade on value. The poll indicates that’s what most people think happened here. We are taking large swings in value anyways but McNair panicked post Buddy falling through and got off the easier guard to trade ASAP (literally the next day) to avoid the 4 PG drama he setup.

Unfortunately I don’t think McNair understands the damage he has done with the Fox relationship. He drafted his replacement, at least that’s how it will be viewed by many including some on Fox’s team. Or he drafted a backup at 9 in a stacked draft and that’s also a bad signal to Fox’s team of his competence. Either way, not a great look.

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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#93 » by cl2117 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:11 pm

Any rumors/theories out there about whether/when this deal goes down and how it might be different? I haven't seen much.
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Post#96 » by City of Trees » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:52 pm

This is weird
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#97 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:01 pm

City of Trees wrote:This is weird


I get its frustrating, but lots of deals aren't finalized yet. This isn't that unusual really. My guess is lots of things are held up with that Westbrook trade as Washington tries to build the Dinwiddie signing into it and maybe spin off some of their combo forward overload. And Miami and Toronto are looking for another team for their big deal and then we still have some free agents expecting more than the mid-level who may need S&T's.
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#98 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:56 pm

What about adding in Minnesota?


Current deal is:

Atlanta in: Wright
Atlanta out: Kris Dunn, Bruno Fernando and a 2023 second-round pick

Boston Celtics in: Kris Dunn, Bruno Fernando and a 2023 second-round pick
Boston Celtics out: TT

Sacramento Kings in: TT
Sacramento Kings out: Wright

But Sac got Holmes back cheap and doesn't need the big man depth; and Minnesota does. So, instead of TT to Sac:

Layman and Culver to Sac. (~10.5m)
TT to Minnesota. (9.7m)

New idea?

Atlanta in: Wright
Atlanta out: Kris Dunn, Bruno Fernando and a 2023 second-round pick

Boston Celtics in: Kris Dunn, Bruno Fernando and a 2023 second-round pick
Boston Celtics out: TT

Sacramento Kings in: Culver and Layman
Sacramento Kings out: Wright

Minnesota in: TT
Minnesota out: Culver and Layman


Could also swing around some pieces; i.e.
Boston Celtics in: Culver, Bruno Fernando and a 2023 second-round pick
Boston Celtics out: TT

Sacramento Kings in: Dunn and Layman
Sacramento Kings out: Wright
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Re: [Woj]: BOS gets Dunn/Fernando/2nd, ATL gets Wright, SAC gets TT 

Post#99 » by patman66 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:19 pm

As a celtic fan I would be happy with cutting ATL out of it

Boston in Wright
Boston out TT
Sac out wright
Sac in Culver/Layman
Min in tt
min out Culver/Layman

negate the Dallas trade.
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Post#100 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:20 pm

patman66 wrote:As a celtic fan I would be happy with cutting ATL out of it

Boston in Wright
Boston out TT
Sac out wright
Sac in Culver/Layman
Min in tt
min out Culver/Layman

negate the Dallas trade.


I don't think you can cut out a team already agreed into the deal :)

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