Siakam to Dallas

[Thaddy]

In regards to the Toronto starters having to do so much because the bench is so bad, that isn't always true.

Minnessota at Denver (Wednesday)
Toronto at Minnesota

Minutes Wednesday night at Denver


Toronto..................Minutes......+/-
OG Anunoby..............35:36.........0
Barnes....................38:58.........3
Siakam....................40:35........0
Trent......................36:26......-12
FVV........................36:26......-12
_________________________________
Precious..................20:48........2
Hernangomez...........12:29.......-5
Wieskamp*..............11:34.......10
Thad.......................7:08........4

Minnesota.............Minutes......+/-
Anderson................33:31.......15
34:29
McDaniels...............37:17.........5
33:56
Naz Reid................22:05........16
25:57
Edwards................39:39........12
37:11
D Russell...............33:48..........2
31:44
_________________________________
Nathan Knight..........8:37.........-7
4:19
Prince..................23:39........-23
31:36
Nowell.................17:47..........0
14:13
Wendell Moore........3:26..........-6
9:11
Luka Garza*..........14:23..........-1
17:24
Matt Ryan*..............5:49..........-3
0

Khem Birch
DNP - Coach's Decision

Chris Boucher
DNP - Coach's Decision


INACTIVE PLAYERS

TOR: Otto Porter Jr., Dalano Banton

MIN: Jordan McLaughlin, Austin Rivers, Rudy Gobert, Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota played in Denver on Wednesday night and supposedly they didn't get back to Minnesota until 4 AM. Toronto was off Wednesday night. Per the trade values suggested by some in this Forum, only McDaniels and Edwards are thought as comparable to the Toronto starters (Siakam, Trent, FVV, Barnes and OG).

The Toronto bench was decent and weren't the reason why the Raptors lost.

With Gobert and Towns both out, Minnesota had Reid (#3 Big) start with Knight (#4 Big) and Garza (Two Way) as Bigs off the bench.

The Tornto bench Bigs (Boucher & Birch ) were DNP - Coach's Decision.

________________________________
Weiskamp -- 10 Day Contract. Luka Garza -- Two Way Contract. Matt Ryan -- Two Way Contract

One game sample size?

The Raptors mix their starters with their bench so the +/- isn't telling you much, or even anything.

[Resistance]

Spoiler:

In regards to the Toronto starters having to do so much because the bench is so bad, that isn't always true.

Minnessota at Denver (Wednesday)
Toronto at Minnesota

Minutes Wednesday night at Denver


Toronto..................Minutes......+/-
OG Anunoby..............35:36.........0
Barnes....................38:58.........3
Siakam....................40:35........0
Trent......................36:26......-12
FVV........................36:26......-12
_________________________________
Precious..................20:48........2
Hernangomez...........12:29.......-5
Wieskamp*..............11:34.......10
Thad.......................7:08........4

Minnesota.............Minutes......+/-
Anderson................33:31.......15
34:29
McDaniels...............37:17.........5
33:56
Naz Reid................22:05........16
25:57
Edwards................39:39........12
37:11
D Russell...............33:48..........2
31:44
_________________________________
Nathan Knight..........8:37.........-7
4:19
Prince..................23:39........-23
31:36
Nowell.................17:47..........0
14:13
Wendell Moore........3:26..........-6
9:11
Luka Garza*..........14:23..........-1
17:24
Matt Ryan*..............5:49..........-3
0

Khem Birch
DNP - Coach's Decision

Chris Boucher
DNP - Coach's Decision


INACTIVE PLAYERS

TOR: Otto Porter Jr., Dalano Banton

MIN: Jordan McLaughlin, Austin Rivers, Rudy Gobert, Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota played in Denver on Wednesday night and supposedly they didn't get back to Minnesota until 4 AM. Toronto was off Wednesday night. Per the trade values suggested by some in this Forum, only McDaniels and Edwards are thought as comparable to the Toronto starters (Siakam, Trent, FVV, Barnes and OG).

The Toronto bench was decent and weren't the reason why the Raptors lost.

With Gobert and Towns both out, Minnesota had Reid (#3 Big) start with Knight (#4 Big) and Garza (Two Way) as Bigs off the bench.

The Tornto bench Bigs (Boucher & Birch ) were DNP - Coach's Decision.

________________________________
Weiskamp -- 10 Day Contract. Luka Garza -- Two Way Contract. Matt Ryan -- Two Way Contract

One game sample size?

The Raptors mix their starters with their bench so the +/- isn't telling you much, or even anything.

I didn't say it was for the entire season.

In regards to the Toronto starters having to do so much because the bench is so bad, that isn't always true.

I thought that Toronto had the lead in the 4th Quarter and the starters let it slip away at the end.


Since you want a larger sample size, I will do that.

Toronto
Toronto Plus - Minus

Follow The Money (Highest Paid Players)

Player.............+/-
Weiskamp.......10.0
Koloko.............2.8
Harper.............2.5
Siakam (Starter).1.7
Hernangomez.....0.8
Dowtin.............0.6
Barnes (Starter)..0.6
Birch................0.3
Boucher.............0.1
OG (Starter).......0.1
FVV (Starter)......0.0
Champagnie.......-0.7
Flynn...............-1.0
Thad................-1.3
Trent (Starter).....-1.4
Precious.............-1.6
Banton...............-2.4
Porter................-2.6

Siakam is the only Name that I would say who is really earning his paycheck. Barnes, OG, FVV, Trent, Boucher...........not so much.

********************************************************

Am I expecting the pro Toronto fans to agree with my posts?

Not really, but that isn't the audience that I am aiming for. It is for those that are undecided.

[jayjaysee]

Not sure if this stat matters, but torontos starting five is the 7th most used lineup in the league.

Every line up with more minutes than the Raptors starters - also has played in more games together.

The starters have anoffensive rating of 113.9 and 114.8 defensive rating - net rating of -0.9. The team overall has a +.1 net rating. So doesn’t look like a case of my bench is terrible but my starters are amazing.

Pascal/FVV/Barnes/OG is the 22nd most used four man group in the NBA.
Pascal/Trent/Barnes/OG is the 31st most used four man group

So maybe all those people talking about how the raptors roster doesn’t quite fit we’re right? Considering the team performs about the same when you put a “very good starter” on the bench for one of the bench players that is labeled as the problem..

If both sets were winning, you’d be the Celtics and you’d have no problems.

[Texas Chuck]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

[Thaddy]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

[Texas Chuck]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

Yes if we judge shooting by small sample sizes instead of career numbers, Reggie Bullock Jr sucks. His November was horrible. But if you look at his shooting for the other months this season and for his entire career we see he's a very reliable shooter.

I give up on Bertans. You guys are determined to misrepresent that. So go for it. Worst contract maybe in the history of basketball that $22M gtd money over 2 years is.

[Mavrelous]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

There are 4 players on roster making more than Bertans, that's just factually false.

[CanadianBacon15]

Raptors are one of the worst rosters in the league, 7th worst actually, somehow this doesn't factor when I see Raptors fans valuing their playets.

Because they have major roster holes and overlapping talent.

So the conclusion is that masai sucks at building a cohersive roster?

Correct.

[mademan]

Because they have major roster holes and overlapping talent.

So the conclusion is that masai sucks at building a cohersive roster?

Correct.

No GM bats 1.000

[Resistance]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

Not today and maybe not even tomorrow, but eventually these types of contracts will meet the criteria that you are trying to assign to the contract of Bertans.

Lillard

2022-23 Contract details by year 32 $42,492,492
2023-24 Contract details by year 33 $45,640,084
2024-25 Contract details by year 34 $48,787,676

2025-26 Contract details by year 35 $58,545,211
2026-27 Contract details by year 36 $63,228,828
Player

2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)

Beal

2022-23 Contract details by year 29 $43,279,250
2023-24 Contract details by year 30 $46,741,590
2024-25 Contract details by year 31 $50,203,930
2025-26 Contract details by year 32 $53,666,270
2026-27 Contract details by year 33 $57,128,610

Contract Notes:
2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)
No-Trade Clause
15% Trade Bonus

If Siakam is traded for picks, it is highly unlikely that Toronto will be able to quickly turn things around and be a Top 4 team in the Eastern Conference for the 2023-24 season.

The 2023-24 season is when Bertans will be due most of his money.

In the Toronto forum, at least one person mentioned that the offense could shift with Barnes being more of the focus with Siakam traded away. Barnes could try for a quick move to the basket and kick it out to a shooter if his move to the basket was impaired. Bertans would be able to play a season in that type of offense. Barnes would be adjusting to be the cog in that type of offense and Bertans would eventually be replaced as Toronto brought in more talent to build around Barnes.

I don't remember which specific thread it was in the Toronto forum, but several people remarked about how Siakam and FVV were looking out for their own stats even if that meant they were avoiding the best choice at times which was to pass to Barnes.

If Siakam is going out in a trade, then FVV might leave one way or another or be shifted to a lesser role if the rebuild has Barnes as the focus. If they don't bring in a capable PG to replace FVV, then Bertans very well might be a better player at his position than whomever they designate as the PG from the Grab Bag (Flynn, Banton, Dowtin) of Point Guards that they might have.

[Thaddy]

I have no problem with saying Dallas has a better team---it seems clear over the past 2 years they have outperformed the Raptors--and that outside of Luka, the Raptors do have more attractive trade pieces. Dallas doesn't have another player as valuable as Siakam, OG, or Barnes. Or even close really imo.

But I do think there are individual players getting pretty badly mis-represented.

Bertans is called an albatross for having $22M due him after this year which is not even 2/3 of what Siakam is due so taking him back is not an albatross at all. He's simply fairly normal salary matching.

Bullock Jr just played 40 mpg shooting 40% from 3 and guarding the best guard on the other team for 3 rounds--and holding his own up until Steph, and well sorry but he's Steph. And makes MLE money next year. But he's described as awful.

Meanwhile Trent who doesn't defend as well, doesn't rebound at all, doesn't shoot a better percentage, just a higher volume and who is expiring, is some valuable piece who couldn't possibly go to Dallas in the deal.


None of that feels right or honest really. And that sucks. Because none of those players matter. What matters is if Toronto is willing to deal Siakam period. And if they could get a premium asset for him or if they are going to have to take a volume package like this. But this is plenty of volume if they will take it.

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

Not today and maybe not even tomorrow, but eventually these types of contracts will meet the criteria that you are trying to assign to the contract of Bertans.

Lillard

2022-23 Contract details by year 32 $42,492,492
2023-24 Contract details by year 33 $45,640,084
2024-25 Contract details by year 34 $48,787,676

2025-26 Contract details by year 35 $58,545,211
2026-27 Contract details by year 36 $63,228,828
Player

2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)

Beal

2022-23 Contract details by year 29 $43,279,250
2023-24 Contract details by year 30 $46,741,590
2024-25 Contract details by year 31 $50,203,930
2025-26 Contract details by year 32 $53,666,270
2026-27 Contract details by year 33 $57,128,610

Contract Notes:
2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)
No-Trade Clause
15% Trade Bonus

If Siakam is traded for picks, it is highly unlikely that Toronto will be able to quickly turn things around and be a Top 4 team in the Eastern Conference for the 2023-24 season.

The 2023-24 season is when Bertans will be due most of his money.

In the Toronto forum, at least one person mentioned that the offense could shift with Barnes being more of the focus with Siakam traded away. Barnes could try for a quick move to the basket and kick it out to a shooter if his move to the basket was impaired. Bertans would be able to play a season in that type of offense. Barnes would be adjusting to be the cog in that type of offense and Bertans would eventually be replaced as Toronto brought in more talent to build around Barnes.

I don't remember which specific thread it was in the Toronto forum, but several people remarked about how Siakam and FVV were looking out for their own stats even if that meant they were avoiding the best choice at times which was to pass to Barnes.

If Siakam is going out in a trade, then FVV might leave one way or another or be shifted to a lesser role if the rebuild has Barnes as the focus. If they don't bring in a capable PG to replace FVV, then Bertans very well might be a better player at his position than whomever they designate as the PG from the Grab Bag (Flynn, Banton, Dowtin) of Point Guards that they might have.

Bertans can't get minutes on the Mavs when they are longing for decent role players. The difference between Beal, Russ, and any other "albatross" contract is that they were actually all stars at one point and can still headline a team. A team headlined by Bertans isn't winning more than 10 games in a 82 game season.

[Resistance]

What's an albatross contract if Bertans isn't considered one? He'd be the highest paid Raptor after this deal.

Trent is having his best shooting year, he's at a 57 TS% and has improved his game a ton the past two seasons. Bullock is shooting under 40% from the field and has a lower TS% of 53.

Not today and maybe not even tomorrow, but eventually these types of contracts will meet the criteria that you are trying to assign to the contract of Bertans.

Lillard

2022-23 Contract details by year 32 $42,492,492
2023-24 Contract details by year 33 $45,640,084
2024-25 Contract details by year 34 $48,787,676

2025-26 Contract details by year 35 $58,545,211
2026-27 Contract details by year 36 $63,228,828
Player

2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)

Beal

2022-23 Contract details by year 29 $43,279,250
2023-24 Contract details by year 30 $46,741,590
2024-25 Contract details by year 31 $50,203,930
2025-26 Contract details by year 32 $53,666,270
2026-27 Contract details by year 33 $57,128,610

Contract Notes:
2026-27: Player Option (deadline 6/29/26)
No-Trade Clause
15% Trade Bonus

If Siakam is traded for picks, it is highly unlikely that Toronto will be able to quickly turn things around and be a Top 4 team in the Eastern Conference for the 2023-24 season.

The 2023-24 season is when Bertans will be due most of his money.

In the Toronto forum, at least one person mentioned that the offense could shift with Barnes being more of the focus with Siakam traded away. Barnes could try for a quick move to the basket and kick it out to a shooter if his move to the basket was impaired. Bertans would be able to play a season in that type of offense. Barnes would be adjusting to be the cog in that type of offense and Bertans would eventually be replaced as Toronto brought in more talent to build around Barnes.

I don't remember which specific thread it was in the Toronto forum, but several people remarked about how Siakam and FVV were looking out for their own stats even if that meant they were avoiding the best choice at times which was to pass to Barnes.

If Siakam is going out in a trade, then FVV might leave one way or another or be shifted to a lesser role if the rebuild has Barnes as the focus. If they don't bring in a capable PG to replace FVV, then Bertans very well might be a better player at his position than whomever they designate as the PG from the Grab Bag (Flynn, Banton, Dowtin) of Point Guards that they might have.

Bertans can't get minutes on the Mavs when they are longing for decent role players. The difference between Beal, Russ, and any other "albatross" contract is that they were actually all stars at one point and can still headline a team. A team headlined by Bertans isn't winning more than 10 games in a 82 game season.

Tankathon

7. Toronto 20-26 .435

At that pace, Toronto would finish this season in the area of 35 - 36 wins.


Forget Siakam going to Dallas.

If Siakam is traded with picks representing most of the incoming value for Toronto, what is the expectation for the Toronto W/L record next season? If Siakam is gone, do they bring FVV back who is roughly the same age as Siakam?


6. Washington (Beal) 19-26 .422

9. Portland (Lillard) 21-24 .467

Future Traded Pick Details

2023 first round draft pick to Chicago
Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2028, then Portland will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Chicago; Chicago may forfeit Portland's 2028 2nd round pick if received (see Chicago Outgoing) [Chicago-Portland, 8/28/2021]

As soon as Portland is respectable, they have to send out a First Round pick.

2023 first round draft pick to New York
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

As soon as Washington is not really bad, they have to send out a First Round pick.

Of course Washington and/or Portland can wait it out for multiple years and underperform enough so they don't have to send out a First Round pick. But that isn't anything to look forward to.

[Michaellam1987]

I'd pass for DAL, Siakam doesn't fix any of the problems DAL has, can't be part of a 5 out offense, DAL most effective Luka offense, has injury history and is 29 y/o, he has Dejonte Murray value IMO, 2 unprotected 1sts + pretected one.
The fact Wolves paid what they did for Gobert, shouldn't set the price for other teams IMO, rather be a warning sign for them.

If 3 future 1st can net you Siakam, you need to seriously consider. Siakam is one of the rare 2 way player in the league, who can also rebound and assist.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I understand the hesitation with a deal where all the value is in picks. It's high variance and it could lead to never getting a good asset out of it. I blame not one person for not wanting to trade Siakam to Dallas because they can't give you a single premium asset in return.

I do not understand this board's obsession with exaggerating how bad the return is in order to hate it more. It's just not necessary. Bertans and Bullock Jr are irrelevant to this deal. Bullock Jr could be flipped for a straight expiring without a 2nd thought and Bertans is due $20M after this year or about half what Siakam is due. Hardly an albatross.

He is what he is a terrible contract probably top 3 in the league. People harp on Boucher deals saying he's terrible or Freddy is a bad deal as well but when Bertans is putting up 4 ppg and making $17-$20 million a year for the next 3 years he's a guy to take on unnecessary cap space yeah he's a albatross nobody is wanting to pay that kind of money for him I honestly don't think anybody trades anything for him. This is just a terrible use of a preminum asset in Pascal

Sorry but you've been in multiple Siakam to Dallas threads where Bertans contract has been explained. For you to continue to represent it as 3/$60M when its 2/$22M after this season is exactly what I'm talking about here.

We all know he's not worth his money. But his contract is 1/3 of what you are making it out to be here.

My apologies, the site I was looking at (spotrac) has his contact as $17/$16/$17 million player option. I didn't see the part that you could buy him out. Still I think the value is very low for Pascal going to leave it at that

[Texas Chuck]

Still I think the value is very low for Pascal going to leave it at that

Totally understand. This deal offers nothing but high variance picks for Toronto and if Siakam/Luka and Dallas can retain him, it decreases the chances of the high end of the variance. And even if it doesn't click or he leaves in free agency, we've seen that a Dallas roster that this board thinks is horrific outside of Luka has been to the playoffs 3 straight years, is trending to go again this year. Even if they fall out, they are likely still picking in the late lottery unless they get lotto luck.

I totally understand not wanting to trade a player the caliber of Siakam for that.

I just have a pet peeve about how salary matching is treated in general. And thus when a contract gets exaggerated way out of proportion I get a little triggered lol.

But as I've said in all these threads sending Siakam to Dallas, I think Dallas would have some flexibility in the matching because if Toronto is selling him for a volume picks/swaps package the players don't matter much and none of the Dallas contracts are that awful. THJ being the worst in this scenario despite being much more useful than Bertans because his 3rd year is fully gtd. But that to get Siakam I'd not argue with any of the specific structures I've seen. With the Mavs lack of quality assets, I understand there isn't much leverage in a deal for a player like this.