how to solve Houston's problem (FVV)

[NYG]

Tate and a 2nd for Sasser and then trust Reed to start?

[Wolveswin]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

[JRoy]

Fox is fools gold.

[giberish]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Doubt Fox draws sexy picks, especially if Spurs floundering.

[Wolveswin]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Doubt Fox draws sexy picks, especially if Spurs floundering.

I mean in NBA real world, Fox was just traded for 3x 1sts and 3x 2nds.

[LarsV8]

I have Fox in a camp with like Murray, Brown, Lavine, Lauri, Ingram where thier contract massively outweighs thier actual impact.

Not bad players, but ended up hurting you by just being paid too much.

Wouldn't trade anything of value for any of those players.

[ConSarnit]

Start Holiday and play him 24mpg as “hold the fort” 3+D pg. HOU can probably get enough playmaking from Sengun/Amen/KD. Basically play Holiday enough to stay top 4-5 in the conference.

Throw Reed to the wolves for 24mpg, sink or swim. Have to find out if he can play. Might cost them in the standings but they need to find out if Reed can play now.

Re-evaluate mid-December based on how Reed is coming along. Maybe try to and swing a trade for Sexton who should be low cost (salary + 2nds). If the Sexton (or whoever) experiment doesn’t work does HOU consider moving KD before the deadline? This is sort of a DAL scenario where Irving/AD was supposed to be win now but Kyrie’s (and FVV’s) injury killed the plan.

This is a tough spot for HOU to be in considering FVV’s no trade clause. To get a real, solid starting pg they’d need to give up real depth elsewhere. They also can’t really take a long term approach given KD’s age.

[jbk1234]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Jabari Smith signed a 5-year extension in the summer. Salary matching will be impossible.

[Wolveswin]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Jabari Smith signed a 5-year extension in the summer. Salary matching will be impossible.

Nope still works even with PPP.

[lpbman]

Tate, Uncle Jeff and some sort of draft capital for Jose Alvarado. Not giving up gold chip draft pick, but something.

Can happen on Oct 9 according to fanspo....

Would empty the war chest of picks for Dyson Daniels, but I don't think Atl would be interested.

[davidv2001]

Start Holiday and play him 24mpg as “hold the fort” 3+D pg. HOU can probably get enough playmaking from Sengun/Amen/KD. Basically play Holiday enough to stay top 4-5 in the conference.

Throw Reed to the wolves for 24mpg, sink or swim. Have to find out if he can play. Might cost them in the standings but they need to find out if Reed can play now.

Re-evaluate mid-December based on how Reed is coming along. Maybe try to and swing a trade for Sexton who should be low cost (salary + 2nds). If the Sexton (or whoever) experiment doesn’t work does HOU consider moving KD before the deadline? This is sort of a DAL scenario where Irving/AD was supposed to be win now but Kyrie’s (and FVV’s) injury killed the plan.

This is a tough spot for HOU to be in considering FVV’s no trade clause. To get a real, solid starting pg they’d need to give up real depth elsewhere. They also can’t really take a long term approach given KD’s age.

The Rockets are not trading Kevin Durant. They still have a strong eight-man rotation, with a boatload of picks to use with Clint Capela’s salary in December (or Tari Eason if an extension is unlikely) to get a depth piece at point guard.

They have Thompson-Finney-Smith (or Eason)-Durant-Jabari Smith Jr.-Sengun starting with Tari Eason (or Finney-Smith), Steven Adams, Clint Capela and Reed Sheppard (or Aaron Holiday/Jae’Sean Tate) coming off the bench.

Adding Durant is a much bigger upgrade than losing VanVleet. They also have plenty of young players that can improve and need minutes.

[jbk1234]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Jabari Smith signed a 5-year extension in the summer. Salary matching will be impossible.

Nope still works even with PPP.

I mean you have *filler* written in for both teams.
It only *works* if you change that to players who have salary attached to them.

[Godaddycurse]

Jabari Smith signed a 5-year extension in the summer. Salary matching will be impossible.

Nope still works even with PPP.

I mean you have *filler* written in for both teams.
It only *works* if you change that to players who have salary attached to them.

his PPP isnt too hard to work around tbh. his current salary is 12.3M and his incoming to other team is about 22M or so.

In this scenario rockets is sending out 37.3M between FVV and smith to receive Fox' 37.1M, and spurs is sending out 37.1M to receive 47M. Just need a bit extra vet min/low salary filler(s) involving 3rd team(s) to duck houston under hard cap and spurs to match legally

[Darren]

KD, AT and Sengun running the point

[Scoot McGroot]

What about Fox at trade deadline. If Spurs are floundering near trade deadline - which one can see happening in gauntlet West - Spurs can add to their youth around Wemby.

Fox
Filler

FOR

FVV
Jabari Smith
Filler
Picks (some sexy ones still owed Rockets)

FVV would be great mentor for Spurs’ kids at guard.

Jabari Smith signed a 5-year extension in the summer. Salary matching will be impossible.

Because his 4th year salary is so high, and his extension isn’t too much of a raise, and it’s a 5 year extension, the spread in a PPP related swap isn’t terrible and can be bridged somewhat realistically. He counts as $12.35m outgoing for Houston and $22.4m incoming for the receiving team. If there’s a team without apron concerns, it’s pretty easy to split that gap, especially with the $7.5m matching spread? Houston could send some minimums , etc.

[the_process]

Grimes (S&T 3-42), Drummond, 28 LAC 1st, and future PHI 2nd to HOU
Oubre, two future PHI 2nds, and one future HOU 2nd to BKN
Eason and Adams to PHI

[Godaddycurse]

Grimes (S&T 3-42), Drummond, 28 LAC 1st, and future PHI 2nd to HOU
Oubre, two future PHI 2nds, and one future HOU 2nd to BKN
Eason and Adams to PHI

dont think grimes solves their problem

[LarsV8]

Grimes (S&T 3-42), Drummond, 28 LAC 1st, and future PHI 2nd to HOU
Oubre, two future PHI 2nds, and one future HOU 2nd to BKN
Eason and Adams to PHI

Eason and Adams are both significantly better and more valuable than Grimes.

The normal compensation for facilitating a SnT is usually a 2nd round pick or two.

[Scoot McGroot]

Grimes (S&T 3-42), Drummond, 28 LAC 1st, and future PHI 2nd to HOU
Oubre, two future PHI 2nds, and one future HOU 2nd to BKN
Eason and Adams to PHI

Eason and Adams are both significantly better and more valuable than Grimes.

The normal compensation for facilitating a SnT is usually a 2nd round pick or two.

I assume they were planning on that 28 LAC 1st being pretty valuable? I think, depending on anyone's view of that completely unprotected 1st, their view on this trade idea probably shifts from "seems short" to "pretty solid"?

But I also don't know what hole Grimes is supposed to solve for Houston?

[LarsV8]

I assume they were planning on that 28 LAC 1st being pretty valuable? I think, depending on anyone's view of that completely unprotected 1st, their view on this trade idea probably shifts from "seems short" to "pretty solid"?

But I also don't know what hole Grimes is supposed to solve for Houston?

Admittedly, did not see the 1st round pick, which makes it less terrible, but still not something we are doing.

Bottom line, Rockets are buyers with their picks, to add to their exciting young core. This is selling under the guise of Roster balance which ultimately makes us worse.

And kudos to you on the callout of Houston not actually getting an actual ball handler. This seems to be a trend, where we keep seeing proposals where some random SG like Monk or Grimes gets routed to us, or a really bad PG, worse than what we already have.