Redd is possibly being shopped, whaddya got?

[theTHIEF]

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We need a small forward and more depth on the bench.

I came up with a trade on the trade checker before reading this post, which matches these concerns.

Orlando trades:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity
Two 1st round picks

Orlando Receives:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee trades:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity

Why for Orlando:
To shore up the SG position. I'm hesitant to deal Hedo, as well as he's been playing this year. He's really been the spine of the team this season... however, this frees up Rashard Lewis to play permanently at SF, with Redd at SG.
A follow up deal would be required by Orlando to find a replacement PF, preferably one who can adequately defend and hit any open shots that are left from Howard being double teamed. Trade bait would be the expirings of Evans, Bogans and Dooling.
Another 'hole' remains at PG, where Nelson is more vulnerable without Arroyo and without Hedo's playmaking. I'd love to see Andre Miller or another equally capable PG in Orlando but they probably don't have the assets to do this deal and another for a PG... especially given the more pressing PF need if Turkoglu is gone.


Why for Milwaukee:
With their season starting to slip following losses such as the massive one to Detroit, this is primarily a cost-cutting deal. They essentially halve the money owed to Redd from their books at the end of the season with the two expiring deals of Arroyo and Garrity.
In addition they get a SF to plug the hole they have there who is playing almost as well as Redd. Hedo's playmaking ability helps Mo Williams play a little more off the ball, freeing him to score more.
They also get two 1st round picks out of the deal.

Hedo, 2 expirings AND 2 future firsts? i dont think Redd alone is worth ALL of that right now...if we did that, we would need to try and get someone else back with Redd and PG or a PF...i'd think about it though...

[Flash is the Future]

Honestly, what business do Knick, Heat, and Cavs' fans have in a trade proposal involving a player of value? None. Unless you want to make suggestions about what other teams could do. Then don't follow up your garbage trade proposals with rationalizations about why your offers were reasonable. If Redd is such a crappy player, why are you feverishly trying to dream up deals to acquire him? You know, the U.S. national team seemed to think Redd was very important piece to their puzzle. His shooting by the same token makes him an immense asset to some NBA teams. In the Bucks' case, they might be willing to trade him because they have more pressing issues at other positions, which compensation for a player of his value might rectify. However, they are nowhere near desperate to unload him just because their struggling. Trading Maurice Williams is another option, and the more prudent one in my opinion. He makes Michael Redd look like Bruce Bowen on defense. And it's far worse to have a point guard penetrate your defense, than a shooting guard, because he can shoot or pass. The trade isn't mandated to involve your absolute best player.

And enough with your protected picks. Mid first rounders, at best, are not compelling anybody to make a deal. Trading picks for an all star or borderline all star, should be a gamble. Ideally, he's a missing piece, and improves your team enough to where giving up a first rounder wouldn't be any sweat off your back. If you don't think he's a difference maker at all, why are you trading for him?

This whole thread is one crappy deal after another. The only trade I've seen worth discussing was the original Bulls' trade involving Nocioni. And that would be just a jumping off point. I've seen other Bulls' fans with reasonable trade proposals on the Bucks' board as well. That's because a deal between the two teams actually makes sense, unlike some others. The Bulls need offense, while the Bucks need defense. The Bulls have a bunch of players with value who are redundant to their team. Nocioni + J. Smith + Sefolosha + a 1st rounder (unprotected) for Redd, would probably be more of a reasonably type deal.

20 million dollars in expirings and Dorell and Cook not enough value? Milwaukee fans have sure proposed a lot of Heat deals for Redd....

[Flash is the Future]

What about this for Houston?

Bonzi + Battier + Brooks + Jason Williams + 1 first rounder (Houston) to Milwaukee

Mike james to Miami for Jason williams

Michael Redd to Houston

If this doesnt work is there any way we can get it to work? Like accept a bad contract like Bell

Expiring in Williams + Bonzi
Battier is a good veteran and he will bring defense and heart to the team.

Miami has no reason to give up an expiring for Mike James.

[SacKingZZZ]

Redd to UTA for Kirilenko + Brewer

Now that is a very very interesting idea. It just seems like a realistic trade.

[Flash is the Future]

Utah passes though. They don't need anymore offense. They need defense, and Redd's not giving them that.

[Hendrix]

Redd fits with the raptors as a shooting team. We can give you Rasho whos expiring, AP to fill in the shooting + fillers.

(yea right)

But damn.

TJ/Calderon
Redd/ Delfino
Kapono/ Moon
Bosh/ Garbo
Bargnani/ Hump.

That team could score, and shoot from out side. But damn would they be bad defensivly/rebounding, and scoring in the paint.

[warren weel im]

I am very surprised how all these Eastern teams are lowballing a proficient scorer in Michael Redd. Milwaukee will NOT trade him for a bunch of scrubs to a division rival. It just does not make sense.

Shipping him West, however, would deeply impact the "scrubity" of the players involved.

Lakers have 11m of expirings in Kwame and Sasha and we would not hesitate to add picks (no protection whatsoever) if we are able to ADD Redd to our roster. We would somehow tread the tax line but his addition would justify it IMO.

Since Redd or Kobe would have to play SF for majority of our minutes (I say Kobe becomes the 3 in this case), one of Luke Walton or Trevor Ariza would probably go. Since Ariza is the more attractive player and contract, it would suck to see his defense go for someone not well known for defense as well. This becomes LA's biggest dilemma UNLESS we offer a package around Lamar Odom + 08 1st for Redd straight up.

[Flash is the Future]

You complain aout people offering scrubs and then you offer Kwame+Sasha (expiring scrubs) +2 unprotected 1st (basically). That's not bad. Don't get me wrong. But I just found that funny

[Stix]

Here is my idea:

3-Team Trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Trade Notes:
Memphis gets Redd for Miller/Swift
Bad Bell contract for Bad Banks contract
Diaw = CV
Bucks pretty much trade Redd for Barbosa + Swift (expiring 5.8 mil) + Piat (expiring 1.2 mil) which is pretty good IMO.

[Simulack]

You complain aout people offering scrubs and then you offer Kwame+Sasha (expiring scrubs) +2 unprotected 1st (basically). That's not bad. Don't get me wrong. But I just found that funny

Me too. Oh the ironing!

[#1knickfan]

Honestly, what business do Knick, Heat, and Cavs' fans have in a trade proposal involving a player of value? None. Unless you want to make suggestions about what other teams could do. Then don't follow up your garbage trade proposals with rationalizations about why your offers were reasonable. If Redd is such a crappy player, why are you feverishly trying to dream up deals to acquire him? You know, the U.S. national team seemed to think Redd was very important piece to their puzzle. His shooting by the same token makes him an immense asset to some NBA teams. In the Bucks' case, they might be willing to trade him because they have more pressing issues at other positions, which compensation for a player of his value might rectify. However, they are nowhere near desperate to unload him just because their struggling. Trading Maurice Williams is another option, and the more prudent one in my opinion. He makes Michael Redd look like Bruce Bowen on defense. And it's far worse to have a point guard penetrate your defense, than a shooting guard, because he can shoot or pass. The trade isn't mandated to involve your absolute best player.

And enough with your protected picks. Mid first rounders, at best, are not compelling anybody to make a deal. Trading picks for an all star or borderline all star, should be a gamble. Ideally, he's a missing piece, and improves your team enough to where giving up a first rounder wouldn't be any sweat off your back. If you don't think he's a difference maker at all, why are you trading for him?

This whole thread is one crappy deal after another. The only trade I've seen worth discussing was the original Bulls' trade involving Nocioni. And that would be just a jumping off point. I've seen other Bulls' fans with reasonable trade proposals on the Bucks' board as well. That's because a deal between the two teams actually makes sense, unlike some others. The Bulls need offense, while the Bucks need defense. The Bulls have a bunch of players with value who are redundant to their team. Nocioni + J. Smith + Sefolosha + a 1st rounder (unprotected) for Redd, would probably be more of a reasonably type deal.

Honestly if you don't like reading other people's posts then stop wasting your time. No one has to ask your permission to post and if you cannot bring yourself to act civil then you have no reason to post here.

[thetown]

While I hate Starbury, something to the effect of this would rid the bucks of a lot of problems and clean the slate in 2 years:

Bucks trade:
Dan Gadzuric
Michael Redd
Bobby Simmons

Knicks trade:
Renaldo Balkman
David Lee
Jerome James
Stephon Marbury
Fred Jones
Next available 1st round pick

Why for the bucks:
Trade all of their problem contracts for contracts no longer than 2 years. Bucks could then trade Mo Williams to some team willing to take on Jerome James' contract. Starbury could become rejuvenated, and next year will be a contract year with an enormous expiring contract.

Why for the Knicks:

Much more respectable starting five with Crawford/Redd/Curry/Randolph

[Flash is the Future]

Miami would then do JWill+Smush for Mo Williams and Jerome James IMO.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

[ITK9]

i would like to see redd to golden state but i don't know what they can offer.

[loserX]

Miami would then do JWill+Smush for Mo Williams and Jerome James IMO.

Of course they would. But Milwaukee wouldn't.

[Flash is the Future]

I really don't see how Mo Williams has been commanding more value around here than Michael Redd

[loserX]

I really don't see how Mo Williams has been commanding more value around here than Michael Redd

I don't know if that's true...but the facts are that Mo Williams is younger, cheaper, and the Bucks don't want to get rid of him. He's certainly worth more than getting out of Jerome James' contract as in your proposal.

[Flash is the Future]

I proposed Redd+Simmons for expirings+Dorell and it was well received by Bucks fans.


Incidently, only Bogut and Yi were named untouchable in that wiretap article.

[BankIt]

Michael Redd is not the problem with the Bucks. Redd's game is continually improving. His offense greatly offsets his defensive liabilities. The opposing defenses continually double and triple team him. Without Redd's offense, the Bucks are 70% worse. Now that's bad considering their current state. Redd needs more help than management has given him so far. This year, only Mo and Redd have shown up on the offensive end. The Bucks offense is in a severe drought. I hear Bogut and Yi are untouchable. There's your problem. Who would make such a stupid decision if it was made?
Get Redd some help before its too late this season. The biggest problem on this team is Bogut. Yeah, the great white hope. No offense. Constantly complaining about what others are doing instead of improving his game. Wasn't it Anthony Mason who was accused of doing the same thing that was supposed to have destroyed team morale? I'd suggest some combination of Bogut to Memphis trade for Gasol combination. At least Gasol has offense. Bogut is worthless, a whiny arse, no talented, plodder. Let him complain in Memphis or elsewhere.

[trwi7]

Michael Redd is not the problem with the Bucks.

Yes he is. He's being paid superstar money when he's not a superstar and our teams have been mediocre at best when he's been alpha dog.