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Post#821 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:20 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Yes, this guys is legit, and no, I don't think it's a good idea unless the extension is uber team friendly which it almost certainly will not be.

define team-friendly?

Is 3/60 too much? too little?


Let me put it this way, any extension that shuts the door on an in-season trade, which for practical purposes would rule out that type of extension, is a bad call IMO. The fit is terrible with Garland, and it's not terribly good with the rest of the roster either. He needs to operate in space.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#822 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:22 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Yes, this guys is legit, and no, I don't think it's a good idea unless the extension is uber team friendly which it almost certainly will not be.


Is it relevant if he's legit since he's making it very clear this isn't reporting but just an opinion?

Also it seems odd to have basically agreed to a lucrative extension but still be openly shopping him something you could never keep hidden from Sexton's agent.


Ben has sources within the organization. It's been reported that the two sides are at the table. It wouldn't be news to CAA that the Cavs are open to moving Sexton for the right offer. This may be the train is leaving the station type message.
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Post#823 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:29 pm

I'm not commenting on his credibility or his sources. My point is that his wording is very clear this is his opinion and nothing more. Just like Zach Lowe sometimes reports what he hears and other times makes it clear he hasn't heard anything but he thinks X.

Now this does make a little sense I guess if lots of teams are following this guy or he is regularly aggregated and the Cavs are trying to leak out that hey send us good offers in quick or else we are just going to extend him. I could definitely buy this as a Cavs plant, but even that doesn't make much sense since again he's really clear this is just his guess.
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Post#824 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:35 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm not commenting on his credibility or his sources. My point is that his wording is very clear this is his opinion and nothing more. Just like Zach Lowe sometimes reports what he hears and other times makes it clear he hasn't heard anything but he thinks X.

Now this does make a little sense I guess if lots of teams are following this guy or he is regularly aggregated and the Cavs are trying to leak out that hey send us good offers in quick or else we are just going to extend him. I could definitely buy this as a Cavs plant, but even that doesn't make much sense since again he's really clear this is just his guess.
I'm not sure whether that just my opinion though is in reference to the entire tweet, or just the last bit.

I'm hoping you're right on this one.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#825 » by pacers33granger » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:09 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Jake Fisher(I know) has 1/3 of the league with at least some interest in Simmons.
The guy made sure to include a "mystery" team to hedge his bets if it's not one of those listed. He also couched the teams' interest as "to varying degrees."

I am sure the entire league has a varying degree of interest in Simmons given his talent and the potential price.

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Post#826 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:47 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Yes, this guys is legit, and no, I don't think it's a good idea unless the extension is uber team friendly which it almost certainly will not be.


Is it relevant if he's legit since he's making it very clear this isn't reporting but just an opinion?

Also it seems odd to have basically agreed to a lucrative extension but still be openly shopping him something you could never keep hidden from Sexton's agent.


It also seems likely to burn the extension negotiations to the ground by “holding off so we can see if we do better elsewhere by trading him”.

If you want him, you sign the extension. If you’re shopping him, you don’t want him.
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Post#827 » by toooskies » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:13 pm

Has there been any evidence that he's been shopped since the draft?
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Post#828 » by zimpy27 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:30 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Yes, this guys is legit, and no, I don't think it's a good idea unless the extension is uber team friendly which it almost certainly will not be.

define team-friendly?

Is 3/60 too much? too little?


Let me put it this way, any extension that shuts the door on an in-season trade, which for practical purposes would rule out that type of extension, is a bad call IMO. The fit is terrible with Garland, and it's not terribly good with the rest of the roster either. He needs to operate in space.


Are you sure there's no chance of a Garland+Love trade for Simmons?

Sexton, Okoro, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen is a nice fit IMO
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Post#829 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:41 pm

VCfor3 wrote:The FO mentioned at media day that they are now in a bit more of a win sooner than later mode


Wanted to reply here so as not to derail the Simmons thread. That confuses me in light of their off-season moves, in particular the JV trade. Unless they think more highly of Adams than I think they do, it sure seemed like an off-season of trying to improve their asset base more than a trying to be more than a play-in team this year.

I'd be all for a big Simmons(or other high level player) deal. But I read them a bit differently.
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Post#830 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:48 pm

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VCfor3 wrote:The FO mentioned at media day that they are now in a bit more of a win sooner than later mode


Wanted to reply here so as not to derail the Simmons thread. That confuses me in light of their off-season moves, in particular the JV trade. Unless they think more highly of Adams than I think they do, it sure seemed like an off-season of trying to improve their asset base more than a trying to be more than a play-in team this year.

I'd be all for a big Simmons(or other high level player) deal. But I read them a bit differently.


Might just be putting the lipstick on?

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Post#831 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:33 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:define team-friendly?

Is 3/60 too much? too little?


Let me put it this way, any extension that shuts the door on an in-season trade, which for practical purposes would rule out that type of extension, is a bad call IMO. The fit is terrible with Garland, and it's not terribly good with the rest of the roster either. He needs to operate in space.


Are you sure there's no chance of a Garland+Love trade for Simmons?

Sexton, Okoro, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen is a nice fit IMO
If we're going for the worst spacing in NBA history, I suppose there's a chance.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#832 » by zimpy27 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:35 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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Let me put it this way, any extension that shuts the door on an in-season trade, which for practical purposes would rule out that type of extension, is a bad call IMO. The fit is terrible with Garland, and it's not terribly good with the rest of the roster either. He needs to operate in space.


Are you sure there's no chance of a Garland+Love trade for Simmons?

Sexton, Okoro, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen is a nice fit IMO
If we're going for the worst spacing in NBA history, I suppose there's a chance.

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Maybe Okoro isn't the right guy there. But Sexton, Markannen offer plenty of spacing. Mobley will eventually make spacing.
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Post#833 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:50 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Are you sure there's no chance of a Garland+Love trade for Simmons?

Sexton, Okoro, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen is a nice fit IMO
If we're going for the worst spacing in NBA history, I suppose there's a chance.

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Maybe Okoro isn't the right guy there. But Sexton, Markannen offer plenty of spacing. Mobley will eventually make spacing.
More than 75% of Sexton's shots come from within the arc. Our spacing is already jacked without Simmons. If we send out Garland for him, we'll be legends.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#834 » by VCfor3 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:24 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:The FO mentioned at media day that they are now in a bit more of a win sooner than later mode


Wanted to reply here so as not to derail the Simmons thread. That confuses me in light of their off-season moves, in particular the JV trade. Unless they think more highly of Adams than I think they do, it sure seemed like an off-season of trying to improve their asset base more than a trying to be more than a play-in team this year.

I'd be all for a big Simmons(or other high level player) deal. But I read them a bit differently.

I think it was a nod to their plan moving forward after this offseason and not a reflection of the offseason itself. I really don't know if Ziaire was their true target, but they supposedly have been looking at him for two+ years and Ziaire said some stuff to back it up so I am inclined to think he was. I wonder if this offseason was their last swing in the draft with Williams while getting a couple more assets to prepare for that potential big move. Now this season they start to figure out how to take what they have and make it better with less focus on asset accumulation type moves though they will capitalize if an opportunity presents itself. I doubt Simmons is necessarily their target, and really doubt we would pay what Morey is asking, but we could be a sneaky team if Beal or another youngish player wants out. Maybe Ingram wants out of NOP or Denver for some reason wants to move Murray for tax reasons down the road. I think Memphis is trying to position itself to be one of the stronger bidders next time a star shakes loose though OKC, GSW, and probably NOP are still better positioned.

As for this past offseason: JV is definitely the better player in a vacuum, but neither he or Adams are long term pieces. Adams also may be the better pairing for JJJ's (and Ja's) development even if the team overall is a bit worse. They don't have JV to bail them out so more will be asked of Ja and JJJ when the offense stagnates. Adams is easier to move to the bench if JJJ does become a true 5 sooner as opposed to later. Adams also provides better rim protection and can mentor JJJ. He also is better at boxing out so hopefully it will give JJJ more opportunity to rebound and let him work on easily his greatest weakness. Would be cool if he could ever get close to an average rebounder. I also think that our FO has set themselves up to have cap space this next offseason and an expiring Adams that following season in order to really start looking hard for a third potential star to put with Ja and JJJ. Gives them a window of good salary filler with three extra picks (two next draft) and all their own picks to work with moving forward. We also have some non-blue chip young players other teams would have interest in. Bane, Melton, Clarke, and Tillman should all draw some level of interest from most teams though Clarke admittedly is at an all time low value-wise.

TLDR: Sorry for the word vomit Chuck lol. Adams probably helps Ja/JJJ development as much as JV would. And moving forward we are looking to make winning moves now that this offseason is over as opposed to starting this offseason.
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Post#836 » by NYG » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:39 am

Who is the best $15 Million or less player the Spurs could get for Aminu's expiring?
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Post#837 » by Lovetron Joe » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:51 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:I know it is preseason but ... https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401365939


How often do you see a 68 point win? Regular season that would be tied for the largest margin of victory ever.
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Post#838 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:52 am

Lovetron Joe wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I know it is preseason but ... https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401365939


How often do you see a 68 point win?


That’s when you owe the other team one.

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Post#839 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:19 am

VCfor3 wrote:
TLDR: Sorry for the word vomit Chuck lol.


Not at all mate. I pulled that from the other thread because I was interested in your take. I really appreciate the lengthy in-depth response.
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Post#840 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:22 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:I know it is preseason but ... https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401365939


Yeah they were playing without 3 key guys then Bridges and Washington got hurt and then Ball stopped playing at some point in the 2nd as well probably just to keep him upright.

over 4 minutes to score in the 1st. Over 6 minutes in the 2nd. Close to 7 minutes to score in the 7th. Needless to say the deep bench/camp cuts of Charlotte are not great offensively.

Because as bad as that box score looks, I can assure you from watching the game, their offense looked even worse. Even when they managed to score it was painful, painful, painful to watch.
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