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babyjax13 · Post #821 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:22 pm

I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

JRoy · Post #822 » by **JRoy** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:34 pm

Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

rpa · Post #823 » by **rpa** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:36 pm

Mike lorenzo wrote:I had the Kings saving 50 million + -... on guys they don't have in the long run (I think) ... Hield is clearly a negative deal ... and Bagley neutral at best and because it expires ... Green and Williams are at least worth their contracts ... I could be wrong in the direction ... but is this so bad for Kings?

Because they're a bad, talent deprived, small market team that's giving away a FRP here to exchange productive and overpaid players for merely productive ones.

SNPA · Post #824 » by **SNPA** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:38 pm

Mike lorenzo wrote:
SNPA wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:THUNDER
In: Maxey / Simons / Bagley / Kings 22 Out: SGA / Maledon / Williams

Favors / Muscala / Earl
Bagley / Bazley / Roby
Simons / Poku / Brown
Dort / Jerome / Krejci
Maxey / Giddey / Mann

Thunder is one Chet Holdrem from having a very promising team ... progress in construction and continues to fatten the chest of selections

76ERS
In: Hield / SGA / Maledon
Out: Simons / Maxey / Green

Embiid / Dru / Bassey
Harris / Niang / Clark
Thybulle / Korkmaz / Joe
Hield / Milton / Springer
SGA / Curry / Maledon

76 get the best possible player / fit and forget the problems Simons (future) Maxey ...

KINGS
In: Green / Williams
Out: Bagley / Hield / Kings22

Holmes/Thompson/Lenn
Barnes/Harkless/King
Green/K.Williams/Woodard
Hali/Davis/Ramsey
Fox/Mitchell/Guy

Kings save an absurd amount of money and get some nice adjustments

Anything else the Kings can do to help OKC and Philly?

I had the Kings saving 50 million + -... on guys they don't have in the long run (I think) ... Hield is clearly a negative deal ... and Bagley neutral at best and because it expires ... Green and Williams are at least worth their contracts ... I could be wrong in the direction ... but is this so bad for Kings?

It is the opposite direction of what they’ve stated. And if McNair used a first to dump Buddy the fan base would be pissed.

Wolveswin · Post #825 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:39 pm

JRoy wrote:Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

JRoy · Post #826 » by **JRoy** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:53 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
JRoy wrote:Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Wolveswin · Post #827 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:04 pm

JRoy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
JRoy wrote:Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Such in depth discussion. You make the claim not back it up…

shrink · Post #828 » by **shrink** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:11 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
JRoy wrote:Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

He’s right! Remember when POR benched all the Jailblazers, regardless of their crimes? Oh yeah, me neither.

As a fan, I completely understand the sentiment, but this is the NBA. Rosas signed Beasley to a brand new contract, a week after the crime. I was especially hard on Beasley and Rosas here on the boards. As a fan, I didn’t want him on the team, and I also thought if he had to give him a contract, he should have squeezed him to a lower contract for all the future risk he brought.

1. Beasley could have faced missing games through jail time
2. Beasley could have faced a long NBA suspension
3. Beasley could have failed to repeat his first year production in MIN of 20 PPG at 40% 3P.
4. Beasley could have been unprofessional and a major distraction to the team.

In the end, the contract turned into a good one. It’s even better now, because those four risks are either in the past, or radically diminished. There are more detailed statistics (release, making hard shots, etc) that put his shooting up with the best shooters in the league on max deals.

He has kept his nose clean for 16 months now. I’m not saying that the incident didn’t mar his value, and may do so for even longer, but that was baked into a cheaper contract. And as long as NBA teams feel they may win more if they add elite three point shooting, he’ll have value, regardless of how us fans feel about him.

mademan · Post #829 » by **mademan** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:11 pm

JRoy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
JRoy wrote:Beasley is radioactive.

Hard to see any GM taking him on unless it’s an absolute steal due to the PR fallout.

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

Helsbyte · Post #830 » by **Helsbyte** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:12 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:PHI: McCollum, Brogdon
IND: Maxey, Green, Curry, multiple Portland FRPs
POR: Simmons

Why is Indy getting more value for Brogdon than Philly for Simmons when we already know Indy offered Brogdon plus a first for Simmons?

This is really bad value for Philly. Maxey/Green/Curry is worth more than CJ yet Indy is getting that package and the picks? And Philly isn't getting the first Indy already offered?

Why would Indy owe Philly a first if Indy is not getting Simmons? And why would Indy want to break down Brogdon into Maxey, Green, Curry and a 1st? The only player that might have any upside to Indy would be Maxey and that is a stretch. This seems like the dime and 3 nickels for your quarter deal. Indy should be looking to consolidate their assets not break them down further. I don't think the value is off but the roster construction for Indy would be bad. I do not see any of Maxey, Curry or Green replicating Brogdon individually.

Wolveswin · Post #831 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:21 pm

Warriors:
Wiggins + Moody + 2022 1st (lotto protected)
FOR
Beasley + Prince

76ers:
Simmons + Curry + Joe
FOR
Wiggins + Beverley + Moody + 2022 Warriors 1st + 2023 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 Wolves 1st (top 10 protected) + 2024 & 2026 Wolves 1st Swap

Wolves:
Beverley + Prince + Beasley + Picks Package
FOR
Simmons + Curry + Joe

Warriors move on from Wiggins, replace him with a vet Prince and Beasley perfect shooting 6th man who can take work load off Thompson. Also save a ton of money in the deal.

76ers move Simmons for playable wing in Wiggins (when he can play due to vaccination status) and vet Beverley — who is salary filler for subsequent trade.

Wolves get Simmons.

Wolveswin · Post #832 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:24 pm

mademan wrote:
JRoy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

JRoy I am sure doesn’t even know what Beasley did. Or still thinks the fake news of it being a baby in the car is what he holds as the truth.

Funny thing is, in many states the weapon charge wouldn’t even had been a thing, the amount of marijuana found was the only crime. But yet Beasley to JRoy is “radioactive.”

Nothing to see here…

Reign23 · Post #833 » by **Reign23** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:26 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:PHI: McCollum, Brogdon
IND: Maxey, Green, Curry, multiple Portland FRPs
POR: Simmons

Why is Indy getting more value for Brogdon than Philly for Simmons when we already know Indy offered Brogdon plus a first for Simmons?

This is really bad value for Philly. Maxey/Green/Curry is worth more than CJ yet Indy is getting that package and the picks? And Philly isn't getting the first Indy already offered?

Indy is getting two role players, a decent rookie, and picks likely to be low. Philly is getting two guys who are at least above average starters. I don't see Indy as getting more.

I also disagree with the Maxey/Green/Curry > CJ valuation. As Philly I would do that in a heartbeat.

I would too. this is great for philly.

Brogdon / CJ / Thybulle / Harris / Embiid. real contender imo

Slim Tubby · Post #834 » by **Slim Tubby** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:28 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

That might end up being the deal but I wouldn’t do it personally. That’s too much outside shooting going out for a team starved for shooters. Value wise, it’s about what I expect in return for Simmons who I’d like to see on the Wolves. KAT and Ant are the only untouchables but man…I’d really like to hang on to McDaniels.

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babyjax13 · Post #835 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:29 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

That might end up being the deal but I wouldn’t do it personally. That’s too much outside shooting going out for a team starved for shooters. Value wise, it’s about what I expect in return for Simmons who I’d like to see on the Wolves. KAT and Ant are the only untouchables but man…I’d really like to hang on to McDaniels.

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I think it'd be easy to find a follow-up to fix the shooting problem. Sacramento is begging someone to take Buddy, I think Ellington is still a free agent?

eminence · Post #836 » by **eminence** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:30 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Warriors:
Wiggins + Moody + 2022 1st (lotto protected)
FOR
Beasley + Prince

76ers:
Simmons + Curry + Joe
FOR
Wiggins + Beverley + Moody + 2022 Warriors 1st + 2023 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 Wolves 1st (top 10 protected) + 2024 & 2026 Wolves 1st Swap

Wolves:
Beverley + Prince + Beasley + Picks Package
FOR
Simmons + Curry + Joe

Warriors move on from Wiggins, replace him with a vet Prince and Beasley perfect shooting 6th man who can take work load off Thompson. Also save a ton of money in the deal.

76ers move Simmons for playable wing in Wiggins (when he can play due to vaccination status) and vet Beverley — who is salary filler for subsequent trade.

Wolves get Simmons.

I'll be polite and just say that this one is way off for the Warriors.

Slim Tubby · Post #837 » by **Slim Tubby** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:35 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

That might end up being the deal but I wouldn’t do it personally. That’s too much outside shooting going out for a team starved for shooters. Value wise, it’s about what I expect in return for Simmons who I’d like to see on the Wolves. KAT and Ant are the only untouchables but man…I’d really like to hang on to McDaniels.

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I think it'd be easy to find a follow-up to fix the shooting problem. Sacramento is begging someone to take Buddy, I think Ellington is still a free agent?

Hield would be a nice option. He’s overpaid but also underrated if that’s even possible.

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Wolveswin · Post #838 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:35 pm

eminence wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Warriors:
Wiggins + Moody + 2022 1st (lotto protected)
FOR
Beasley + Prince

76ers:
Simmons + Curry + Joe
FOR
Wiggins + Beverley + Moody + 2022 Warriors 1st + 2023 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 Wolves 1st (top 10 protected) + 2024 & 2026 Wolves 1st Swap

Wolves:
Beverley + Prince + Beasley + Picks Package
FOR
Simmons + Curry + Joe

Warriors move on from Wiggins, replace him with a vet Prince and Beasley perfect shooting 6th man who can take work load off Thompson. Also save a ton of money in the deal.

76ers move Simmons for playable wing in Wiggins (when he can play due to vaccination status) and vet Beverley — who is salary filler for subsequent trade.

Wolves get Simmons.

I'll be polite and just say that this one is way off for the Warriors.

Wiggins is negative value and his value diving fast. Any San Fran argument he is a good player to them is dying on the vine quickly.

Wiggins + 1st for Prince would be a VERY lucky outcome for them.

Beasley = Moody.

eminence · Post #839 » by **eminence** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:45 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
eminence wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Warriors:
Wiggins + Moody + 2022 1st (lotto protected)
FOR
Beasley + Prince

76ers:
Simmons + Curry + Joe
FOR
Wiggins + Beverley + Moody + 2022 Warriors 1st + 2023 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2025 Wolves 1st (top 5 protected) + 2027 Wolves 1st (top 10 protected) + 2024 & 2026 Wolves 1st Swap

Wolves:
Beverley + Prince + Beasley + Picks Package
FOR
Simmons + Curry + Joe

Warriors move on from Wiggins, replace him with a vet Prince and Beasley perfect shooting 6th man who can take work load off Thompson. Also save a ton of money in the deal.

76ers move Simmons for playable wing in Wiggins (when he can play due to vaccination status) and vet Beverley — who is salary filler for subsequent trade.

Wolves get Simmons.

I'll be polite and just say that this one is way off for the Warriors.

Wiggins is negative value and his value diving fast. Any San Fran argument he is a good player to them is dying on the vine quickly.

Wiggins + 1st for Prince would be a VERY lucky outcome for them.

Beasley = Moody.

Like I said, way off, apparently due to a very very different evaluation of Beasley, who I think would return a late 1st to the right team (see Clarkson to Utah for 2 2nds).

Wolveswin · Post #840 » by **Wolveswin** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:52 pm

eminence wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
eminence wrote:
I'll be polite and just say that this one is way off for the Warriors.

Wiggins is negative value and his value diving fast. Any San Fran argument he is a good player to them is dying on the vine quickly.

Wiggins + 1st for Prince would be a VERY lucky outcome for them.

Beasley = Moody.

Like I said, way off, apparently due to a very very different evaluation of Beasley, who I think would return a late 1st to the right team (see Clarkson to Utah for 2 2nds).

You say way off, but your explanation is a late lotto vs a late 1st (which I don’t agree with). That is not way off.

Plus you would be lucky to get a playable vet expiring for Wiggins at this point. I would bet a poll of Prince vs. Wiggins would yield huge value advantage to Prince.

You need to provide substance how this is “way” off.