Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[K_chile22]

You have to hope that it becomes clear to the Knicks F.O. that they're stuck with all three of Fournier, Kemba, and Rose if they don't trade for Westbrook.

two of those 3 come off the books the same time as russ and are way more movable

Right, but Fourneir's the largest of the three. It really comes down to how much getting off Fournier's last year is worth to the Knicks and whether the Lakers will put that 2027 1st on the table. They're going nowhere this year and Westbrook is months away from becoming an expiring.

yeah the pick does make it more interesting depending on how the knicks view Russ and what direction they want to go in

[nzahir]

Anyone here think there is any chance Russ gets moved

I need some hope....please

You have to hope that it becomes clear to the Knicks F.O. that they're stuck with all three of Fournier, Kemba, and Rose if they don't trade for Westbrook.

I would do it

Would prefer to keep the 2027 1st though, feel like a few 2nds would be fair (some from the Wizards)

I like Fournier more than Russ ofc off ball

Nunn (let 1 of Monk or Avery start for now), Fournier, Stanley, Bron, AD
THT, Monk, Reaves, Melo, Dwight

Kemba/Avery

[zimpy27]

Anyone here think there is any chance Russ gets moved

I need some hope....please

You have to hope that it becomes clear to the Knicks F.O. that they're stuck with all three of Fournier, Kemba, and Rose if they don't trade for Westbrook.

I would do it

Would prefer to keep the 2027 1st though, feel like a few 2nds would be fair (some from the Wizards)

I like Fournier more than Russ ofc off ball

Nunn (let 1 of Monk or Avery start for now), Fournier, Stanley, Bron, AD
THT, Monk, Reaves, Melo, Dwight

Kemba/Avery

Knicks is the best chance to help this season. Maybe Portland. Or maybe something that involves OKC as a third team.

Honestly, none of the deals are better than keeping Westbrook on the Lakers. He can't be worse than he is and becomes a large expiring next season. Unless adding Reaves and FRP gets them a package that makes them a true contender then they won't do either.

I think they just stick with Westbrook and hope Nunn comes back.

[Texas Chuck]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

[LAL1947]

Is there a deal to be had between Dallas and Atlanta... THJ for Bogi?

They're both the same age.

[Texas Chuck]

Is there a deal to be had between Dallas and Atlanta... THJ for Bogi?

They're both the same age.

Why is Atlanta giving a healthy player on a better contract for an injured guy? And I think if either is a better player than the other its probably Bogdan.

You have to give other teams reasons to do things, not just whats good for Dallas.

[LAL1947]

Is there a deal to be had between Dallas and Atlanta... THJ for Bogi?

They're both the same age.

Why is Atlanta giving a healthy player on a better contract for an injured guy? And I think if either is a better player than the other its probably Bogdan.

You have to give other teams reasons to do things, not just whats good for Dallas.

Well, I guess the reason I'm asking is to see what DAL would have to add to make a trade palatable to ATL.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas would have to give more than makes sense for them to give. THJ being hurt makes him a negative trade asset right now. Doesn't make sense to pay another team trying to win now with him and add value Dallas needs to save for a real upgrade.

[Blazer1776]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

And this is where I disagree.

I think Portland holds into CJ before they turn him into smaller, equally bad contracts. They have shown as much over how many rumored CJ deals over the years?

Do I think they would like to move him? I sure do. Do I think they are going to take a **** deal to do so? I do not. Portland already got themselves under the cap and shed a bunch of salary.

For a team that is looking to retool, as opposed to rebuild, it makes no sense to turn a $20 bill into two $10 bills, when long term salary isn’t being shed and crap picks are being included.

There aren’t any real superstars on the move. In terms of basketball, CJ is one of the best players on the market. There are a lot of teams who seem to be getting desperate and looking to “consolidate” and won’t be under the cap for the foreseeable future.

I think NYK is desperate to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

I think ATL is desperate to show that last year wasn’t s fluke.

I think the Pelicans want to show to Zion, that they will don whatever it takes.

I think the 76’ers are more interested than they are pretending to be.

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.

It will be an interesting deadline.

[Texas Chuck]

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.
.

I think we don't disagree that much. I think if a team had $25M or so in disposable expirings and didn't have future budget crunches and had a need for a scoring guard, he's absolutely worth just taking on his money even if he's paid more than you'd like. Talent is still talent.

But I guess I though Blazer fans would be unhappy with a return as low as that. And because no team that would figure to maybe want him has the expirings for that, I think in any deal they'd have to take back a medium deal also seen as not a good one. And wouldn't get much of an incentive on top of say trimming half of his contract off.

But mainly it just seems really likely these leaks are Portland driven because of the teams being thrown around. Teams looking to do something but not good fits with a CJ trade. And when the leaks are coming from the selling team and not suitors that reflects poorly on value.

[zimpy27]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

And this is where I disagree.

I think Portland holds into CJ before they turn him into smaller, equally bad contracts. They have shown as much over how many rumored CJ deals over the years?

Do I think they would like to move him? I sure do. Do I think they are going to take a **** deal to do so? I do not. Portland already got themselves under the cap and shed a bunch of salary.

For a team that is looking to retool, as opposed to rebuild, it makes no sense to turn a $20 bill into two $10 bills, when long term salary isn’t being shed and crap picks are being included.

There aren’t any real superstars on the move. In terms of basketball, CJ is one of the best players on the market. There are a lot of teams who seem to be getting desperate and looking to “consolidate” and won’t be under the cap for the foreseeable future.

I think NYK is desperate to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

I think ATL is desperate to show that last year wasn’t s fluke.

I think the Pelicans want to show to Zion, that they will don whatever it takes.

I think the 76’ers are more interested than they are pretending to be.

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.

It will be an interesting deadline.

Problem is that I think Powell+Covington had more value than CJ..

[LAL1947]

Dallas would have to give more than makes sense for them to give. THJ being hurt makes him a negative trade asset right now. Doesn't make sense to pay another team trying to win now with him and add value Dallas needs to save for a real upgrade.

To be honest, they're so close as players statistically and otherwise, you're right that Dallas should probably wait for a true upgrade.

[Roy The Natural]

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.
.

I think we don't disagree that much. I think if a team had $25M or so in disposable expirings and didn't have future budget crunches and had a need for a scoring guard, he's absolutely worth just taking on his money even if he's paid more than you'd like. Talent is still talent.

But I guess I though Blazer fans would be unhappy with a return as low as that. And because no team that would figure to maybe want him has the expirings for that, I think in any deal they'd have to take back a medium deal also seen as not a good one. And wouldn't get much of an incentive on top of say trimming half of his contract off.

But mainly it just seems really likely these leaks are Portland driven because of the teams being thrown around. Teams looking to do something but not good fits with a CJ trade. And when the leaks are coming from the selling team and not suitors that reflects poorly on value.

Probably true... But isn't that the exact same scenario we've seen with Simmons for 7 months with seller leaks and people still sausage smoke his value. Quite frankly, it's just about always impossible to know what the market is until the dominos really start to fall. I don't think we've seen that yet.

[Blazer1776]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

And this is where I disagree.

I think Portland holds into CJ before they turn him into smaller, equally bad contracts. They have shown as much over how many rumored CJ deals over the years?

Do I think they would like to move him? I sure do. Do I think they are going to take a **** deal to do so? I do not. Portland already got themselves under the cap and shed a bunch of salary.

For a team that is looking to retool, as opposed to rebuild, it makes no sense to turn a $20 bill into two $10 bills, when long term salary isn’t being shed and crap picks are being included.

There aren’t any real superstars on the move. In terms of basketball, CJ is one of the best players on the market. There are a lot of teams who seem to be getting desperate and looking to “consolidate” and won’t be under the cap for the foreseeable future.

I think NYK is desperate to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

I think ATL is desperate to show that last year wasn’t s fluke.

I think the Pelicans want to show to Zion, that they will don whatever it takes.

I think the 76’ers are more interested than they are pretending to be.

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.

It will be an interesting deadline.

Problem is that I think Powell+Covington had more value than CJ..

To certain teams yes.

To teams needing a consistent offensive player who can create their own offense and be the primary ball handler? Not at all.

I thought we would have gotten more for Covington/Powell, but I Covington was living off of a lot of name recognition on RealGm.

Most people don’t realize that he was a “defensive specialist” who was benched by a team who traded for him to be a defensive specialist, that was in desperate need of defense.

He had his usual quick hands, but he was a sieve aside from that defensively and his best offensive skill was inconsistent at best.

[Blazer1776]

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.
.

I think we don't disagree that much. I think if a team had $25M or so in disposable expirings and didn't have future budget crunches and had a need for a scoring guard, he's absolutely worth just taking on his money even if he's paid more than you'd like. Talent is still talent.

But I guess I though Blazer fans would be unhappy with a return as low as that. And because no team that would figure to maybe want him has the expirings for that, I think in any deal they'd have to take back a medium deal also seen as not a good one. And wouldn't get much of an incentive on top of say trimming half of his contract off.

But mainly it just seems really likely these leaks are Portland driven because of the teams being thrown around. Teams looking to do something but not good fits with a CJ trade. And when the leaks are coming from the selling team and not suitors that reflects poorly on value.

I think there could be plenty of incentive for Portland to keep some of the salary overall, namely picks that they can send to Chicago.

Take CJ off of the current roster and remember than Dame, Nance, and Zellar are injured.

That leaves arguably the worst roster in the NBA for the last half of the season. Portland is going to end up with a top 5 lotto pick.

If Portland ever had a chance to add another All Star, being able to trade that top 5 lotto pick is key. I think it is good enough return to aim your sights on a player like Sabonis (or Simmons) in a 3 team deal.

Portland will be able to do this regardless (this summer) but they might pay to expedite the process if it lands Dame that true 2nd star.

[The Rebel]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

And this is where I disagree.

I think Portland holds into CJ before they turn him into smaller, equally bad contracts. They have shown as much over how many rumored CJ deals over the years?

Do I think they would like to move him? I sure do. Do I think they are going to take a **** deal to do so? I do not. Portland already got themselves under the cap and shed a bunch of salary.

For a team that is looking to retool, as opposed to rebuild, it makes no sense to turn a $20 bill into two $10 bills, when long term salary isn’t being shed and crap picks are being included.

There aren’t any real superstars on the move. In terms of basketball, CJ is one of the best players on the market. There are a lot of teams who seem to be getting desperate and looking to “consolidate” and won’t be under the cap for the foreseeable future.

I think NYK is desperate to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

I think ATL is desperate to show that last year wasn’t s fluke.

I think the Pelicans want to show to Zion, that they will don whatever it takes.

I think the 76’ers are more interested than they are pretending to be.

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.

It will be an interesting deadline.

The Trailblazers have an interim GM, we don't know what they are wanting to do. I think the Hawks, Knicks, Pelicans, and Kings are all desperate enough to force an overpay for CJ.

The Trailblazers know they are not getting a superstar for CJ, they may still get an all star in Simmons but that looks unlikely. I think they take back a deal with some upside and go from there.

Would the Hawks do Bagdanovic and Hunter for CJ? If Hunter can stay healthy next year it gives the Blazers a very good defensive SF and a dynamic scoring 6th man to take some pressure off the starters.

If the Blazers did a deal with the Knicks I could see them giving up Fournier, Noel, Reddish, and a 2022 1st. Noel allows them to trade Nurkic for something, Reddish has some high upside but still needs time to develop, fournier while overpaid is a solid 6th man, and you have the future pick.

I can see the Hornets giving up something like Hart, Hayes, and Graham for CJ. Hayes is a terrible fit with Zion, but a great fit with lillard. Hart is an upgrade defensively at SF, and Graham should be a good 6th man long term.


Maybe they can help the Mavs and Raptors out with their issues of the Mavs wanting Dragic and Raptors needing a Center, With the Raptors trading Achiuwa and Dragic for Nurkic. The Mavs getting Dragic for Kleber, and the Blazers getting back Achiuwa and Kleber.

I mean a lineup of
Lillard/ Graham
Simons/ Elleby
Hart/ Winslow/ JOhnson
Kleber/Nance/ Achiuwa/
Hayes/

along with a mid lotto pick this year is a lot better overall as a team than what they have now. The issue the Blazers have so much trouble is that they need shooters that play solid or better defense at forward. They also have some upside with Hayes, Simons, and their draft pick, and I still think Achiuwa has some potential.

[Resistance]

Defense
Tankathon

.....Defense........Tankathon
20. New Orleans........#9....
21. Chicago............#24....
22. Washington........#10....
23. Orlando.............#1....
24. Charlotte..........#14....
25. Indiana..............#5....
26. Detroit..............#2....
27. Atlanta............#12....
28. Portland............#8....
29. Sacramento........#6....
30. Houston............#3....


With the exception of Chicago, a team that is poor to bad on Defense is either out of the chase for the playoffs or is trying for a Playin slot.

If one of the team needs is to improve the defense, McCollum isn't the solution.

[Texas Chuck]

Reminder that Dallas has had zero interest in Dragic on that deal. Remember the trade that wasn't with Miami? Fell apart when Miami tried to change the deal to include him. They would never give kleber for him plus that's only half way to matching.

Dragic wanting to play with Luka doesn't mean Dallas wants a 20m 3rd stribg PG. Cant wait for deadline to pass so that stops.

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[Troubadour]

Reminder that Dallas has had zero interest in Dragic on that deal. Remember the trade that wasn't with Miami? Fell apart when Miami tried to change the deal to include him. They would never give kleber for him plus that's only half way to matching.

Dragic wanting to play with Luka doesn't mean Dallas wants a 20m 3rd stribg PG. Cant wait for deadline to pass so that stops.

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Most likely outcome is Dragic goes to the Mavs after a buyout, I think. Just hope it's another team buying him out.

[Blazer1776]

Let me be clear from the jump this is 100% Chuck speculation and I don't expect everyone to agree, particularly Portland fans. But I keep seeing some really strange teams rumored for CJ. Dallas of course, because every team/agent uses Dallas as a stalking horse because Dallas needs talent, and Cuban is aggressive. But as a bunch of poster tried it, you quickly find there is no deal that makes sense for both sides. But also a team like Atlanta that doesn't really make any sense at all. He fits next to Trae worse than next to Dame and they paid Bogan 18 months ago and Huerter to start the year. Knicks make sense for the Knicks but they would certainly expect Portland to take Fournier which doesn't for them. New Orleans really doesn't make sense unless they just say screw defense altogether and again they are going to demand to unload Graham on Portland.

So this makes me think Portland is both pretty desperate to move him and pretty desperate to get off his deal even if as bad as they got off of Powell's. These leaks are almost certainly intentional out of Portland trying to drive up interest in hopes one team just lets them off the money and maybe gives them something minor like a Keon Johnson to sell to their fanbase.

I think if we get a CJ deal its going to be pretty bad for Portland.

And this is where I disagree.

I think Portland holds into CJ before they turn him into smaller, equally bad contracts. They have shown as much over how many rumored CJ deals over the years?

Do I think they would like to move him? I sure do. Do I think they are going to take a **** deal to do so? I do not. Portland already got themselves under the cap and shed a bunch of salary.

For a team that is looking to retool, as opposed to rebuild, it makes no sense to turn a $20 bill into two $10 bills, when long term salary isn’t being shed and crap picks are being included.

There aren’t any real superstars on the move. In terms of basketball, CJ is one of the best players on the market. There are a lot of teams who seem to be getting desperate and looking to “consolidate” and won’t be under the cap for the foreseeable future.

I think NYK is desperate to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

I think ATL is desperate to show that last year wasn’t s fluke.

I think the Pelicans want to show to Zion, that they will don whatever it takes.

I think the 76’ers are more interested than they are pretending to be.

I don’t think CJ is going to return a sweetheart deal. I do think that he is worth expiringss.

It will be an interesting deadline.

The Trailblazers have an interim GM, we don't know what they are wanting to do. I think the Hawks, Knicks, Pelicans, and Kings are all desperate enough to force an overpay for CJ.

The Trailblazers know they are not getting a superstar for CJ, they may still get an all star in Simmons but that looks unlikely. I think they take back a deal with some upside and go from there.

Would the Hawks do Bagdanovic and Hunter for CJ? If Hunter can stay healthy next year it gives the Blazers a very good defensive SF and a dynamic scoring 6th man to take some pressure off the starters.

If the Blazers did a deal with the Knicks I could see them giving up Fournier, Noel, Reddish, and a 2022 1st. Noel allows them to trade Nurkic for something, Reddish has some high upside but still needs time to develop, fournier while overpaid is a solid 6th man, and you have the future pick.

I can see the Hornets giving up something like Hart, Hayes, and Graham for CJ. Hayes is a terrible fit with Zion, but a great fit with lillard. Hart is an upgrade defensively at SF, and Graham should be a good 6th man long term.


Maybe they can help the Mavs and Raptors out with their issues of the Mavs wanting Dragic and Raptors needing a Center, With the Raptors trading Achiuwa and Dragic for Nurkic. The Mavs getting Dragic for Kleber, and the Blazers getting back Achiuwa and Kleber.

I mean a lineup of
Lillard/ Graham
Simons/ Elleby
Hart/ Winslow/ JOhnson
Kleber/Nance/ Achiuwa/
Hayes/

along with a mid lotto pick this year is a lot better overall as a team than what they have now. The issue the Blazers have so much trouble is that they need shooters that play solid or better defense at forward. They also have some upside with Hayes, Simons, and their draft pick, and I still think Achiuwa has some potential.

That would be an interesting line-up. Hayes legal issues may clog things up. I also fully expect Nurkic to be resigned. He had an immense amount of chemistry with Dame and Ant in the PnR and has been the one defensive game changer we have had.

Portland is also going to end up with more than a mid lotto pick. It is going to end up top 5.

Assuming CJ is traded, the only starter that Portland has from the beginning of the season is Nurk.

Dame, Little and Zeller are out for the season. Nance is still injured and dealing with setbacks.

I think Portland uses the top 5 pick to upgrade the 3 or 4 spot in the off-season.

As to the specific ATL deal, i think they get back a bit more than Bog and an oft injured Hunter.