Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[babyjax13]

How pissed will Hield be if Donte takes his starting spot after Bogdan did last year?

I assume Buddy is going to be traded, too.

[Jordan Syndrome]

Its just hypothetical and guesses by all of us. Who would have guessed Jrue gained that much or Bogdan and his efficient 15 points a game is worth 18 million a season?

I think you should make an attempt to view all of this as "What is the value of Giannis signing a 5-year Max". Looking at these players values in a vacuum while ignoring Giannis is missing the boat here.

Its still guesses. One of your guesses is GSW would send #2 for Herro. I doubt that very seriously is my guess.

It is much more likely Milwaukee is overpaying to get these guys for the reason to keep Giannis than any of our hypothetical trades of course.

[Texas Chuck]

To all my Kings fans fans and I know I have a lot---I have Buddy as a better player than DDV and don't get all the DDV hype really at all. Fine young player, but people have talked him up like he has Herro talent and he doesn't.

DDV has a ceiling no where close to Herro but at this point I think DDV is a better player than Buddy.

I do not. I do think DDV fits better on a really good team like the Bucks because his skills are more complementary to good talent. But on the Kings where both guys play I'd have Buddy bringing more to the table.

[BlazersBroncos]

To all my Kings fans fans and I know I have a lot---I have Buddy as a better player than DDV and don't get all the DDV hype really at all. Fine young player, but people have talked him up like he has Herro talent and he doesn't.

Donte, as a sophomore, posted one of the best DBPM's among all guards last season. He needs to improve his 3PT shooting, but it will get there. He is tremendous inside the arc posting a 58% career 2PT %. He screams high end role player and winner. The type you love to have as your 4th of 5th starter. He isnt a top 3 guy (Nor is BB), but he is a great building block and culture guy who plays elite defense, makes the right pass and will keep improving his 3PT shot.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't think he plays elite defense. I think Giannis (and BroLo) made a lot of role players advanced stats look really good. It's part of why certain posters have such a disconnect on Eric Bledsoe who has been totally exposed against teams that scheme the Bucks.

I don't want to trash the guy. I'd love to have him in Dallas. But I think this is a significant upgrade for the Bucks and I don't see him going to the Kings and becoming a 34 mpg starter. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'm having a great off-season on some positions I held and took a bunch of flack on so I'm feeling confident and getting my shots up.

[Texas Chuck]

In the least newsworthy move since Nic Batum, we should note that Drummond opted in. Still have no idea how Detroit talked the Cavs into that deal. Wild.

[MoneyTalks41890]

How pissed will Hield be if Donte takes his starting spot after Bogdan did last year?

I assume Buddy is going to be traded, too.

Well if Harden isn't available Philly is running out of targets. Maybe we resurface that Horford for Buddy concept.

[BlazersBroncos]

I don't want to trash the guy. I'd love to have him in Dallas. But I think this is a significant upgrade for the Bucks and I don't see him going to the Kings and becoming a 34 mpg starter. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'm having a great off-season on some positions I held and took a bunch of flack on so I'm feeling confident and getting my shots up.

I dont think he is a 34mpg starter. I think he is a great return for a 6th man who doesnt fit the SAC rebuild and would have formed a non-elite 60M SG duo w/ Buddy.

I agree he is worth (much) more to a winning team. But you dont say no to a good, young player because he fits better on a winner.

And while he may not be a Marcus Smart level elite guard defender, he is 100% elite for his age group. 23 year old guards rarely put up his advanced defensive stats, Giannis or not.

[loserX]

Still curious to see how the guard situation in New Orleans plays out. Their backcourt has a big mix of young (Ball, Alexander-Walker) and old (Bledsoe, Hill, Redick) and Josh Hart somewhere in between.

Can't help but think how great a fit Hill would be in Atlanta: a big defensive guard who can play behind or next to Trae. Yes, he's well on the downslope, but he's still productive, and won't cost nearly as much in salary or assets as Jrue (or whoever else). But he will cost something, and that's where it gets dicey. Capspace and 2nds? Maybe that OKC pick? (The Pelicans do appear to be collecting scratch-and-wins so that likely-fake pick fits the profile.)

[Jordan Syndrome]

To all my Kings fans fans and I know I have a lot---I have Buddy as a better player than DDV and don't get all the DDV hype really at all. Fine young player, but people have talked him up like he has Herro talent and he doesn't.

DDV has a ceiling no where close to Herro but at this point I think DDV is a better player than Buddy.

I do not. I do think DDV fits better on a really good team like the Bucks because his skills are more complementary to good talent. But on the Kings where both guys play I'd have Buddy bringing more to the table.

So the issue here is if the Kings are better than we expect, it means other players on the team have taken an offensive step (Barnes, Fox, Bagley) and then they are better off with DDV and his elite defense and diverse skill-set filling in holes where the team needs them.

If the team is bad, why would the Kings not want other "players of the future", notably Bagley and Fox, get more touches as they are franchise cornerstones instead of Buddy.

I don't see why DDV doesn't fit here. He makes the tandem of Fox/DDV in the back-court one of the best defensive back-courts in the league. Honestly, the shooting difference isn't big--Donte shot better from mid-range (on low volume) and outside of the corner 3, where I fully expect Donte to improve on, the 3 point shooting was similar.

The only thing Buddy brings to the table is shooting...at the cost of being a negative defender, a mediocre playmaker, a poor rebounder and apparently not a great locker room guy (I say this without being a huge fan of Walton. I don't think we should blame Buddy for everything we have heard about this situation.).

Moving on here, I think Buddy is a good fit on a team with a strong culture--Dallas being at the top of the list. He needs guidance, leadership and accountability to help mold him.

[Texas Chuck]

You guys are talking me into this whole DDV experience....I still expect Buddy to get big minutes and tons of shots in an attempt to get off his number without paying for the privilege.

[Buzzard]

Still curious to see how the guard situation in New Orleans plays out. Their backcourt has a big mix of young (Ball, Alexander-Walker) and old (Bledsoe, Hill, Redick) and Josh Hart somewhere in between.

Can't help but think how great a fit Hill would be in Atlanta: a big defensive guard who can play behind or next to Trae. Yes, he's well on the downslope, but he's still productive, and won't cost nearly as much in salary or assets as Jrue (or whoever else). But he will cost something, and that's where it gets dicey. Capspace and 2nds? Maybe that OKC pick? (The Pelicans do appear to be collecting scratch-and-wins so that likely-fake pick fits the profile.)

I don't have a problem with Hill for one or two seasons. His 2nd year only cost 1.27 million if released. He is the type of vet I think fits well. Does not make a lot of demands, plays hard, and leads by example in my opinion.

21.5 minutes a night is what Hill got last season and Teague got 20.8 for the 25 games he played in Atlanta. Pretty good fit in my opinion.

I would not send the OKC first but a 2nd would be easily doable for me.

[BlazersBroncos]

You guys are talking me into this whole DDV experience....I still expect Buddy to get big minutes and tons of shots in an attempt to get off his number without paying for the privilege.

I agree. I think DDV will be a swing backup guard. 20 minutes at SG and a few at PG since the shine is off the 3/D idea of Cory Joseph.

Buddy will get his, they need to revamp his value and shots will do that. Also, lack of shots will cause him to pout, hurting his value in another way.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Don't see the DDV argument over hield on any team. Hield more likely to put a team over the hump. A 40% 3 pointer shooter that can actually dribble is more valuable than a defensive guard rotational guard. Feel like most teams already have a defensive rotational guard already on the roster.

[Texas Chuck]

holy cow Parker just picked up his option too....

[Texas Chuck]

James Ennis does not pick his up and Magic fans rejoice in the streets

[zimpy27]

James Ennis does not pick his up and Magic fans rejoice in the streets

Might be a good min pickup for the Bucks

[K_chile22]

James Ennis does not pick his up and Magic fans rejoice in the streets

Might be a good min pickup for the Bucks

Many teams have said this, my favorite team included. It did not work out well. He looks like he's never played basketball before 50% of the time

[zimpy27]

Which lineup is better?

Jrue, Bogdan, Middleton, Giannis, BroLo

VS

Schroeder, KCP, LeBron, Davis, Cousins

[Buzzard]

Which lineup is better?

Jrue, Bogdan, Middleton, Giannis, BroLo

VS

Schroeder, KCP, LeBron, Davis, Cousins

I think its a great match up but Cousins name makes the Lakers lineup look better in name than it should. I would pick the Lakers in 6 or 7 due to LeBron's experience.