Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#921 » by DWhiteMamba » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:01 am

patman66 wrote:
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patman66 wrote:he will report and get a back spasm, or ruin the lockeroom, It is easy to say you wont report when he can exert more force by being disruptive and getting paid than staying home and not cashing a check. Just like Harden.

Except Simmons is no Harden. The Sixers will be ok without Simmons. I hope they make him sit out the year.now that he’s Demanded a trade the Sixers can hit him where it hurts. The wallet.


Like I said, he is just talking crap about sitting out now. No way he passes on the money. Why would he? He has his money for the next 4 years whether he sits at the end of the bench or not. Sit on the bench and get your money. first time he falls in practice he will sit out a week. The 6ers hope he does not show up, so they don't have to pay him. In a week or two that will dawn on him if his agent has not already made that clear to him. He can create more pressure to trade him by being in the lockerroom than not being at home. He talks crap while sitting at home, doc says he only answers questions about guys on the team. He is on the team and has a mike in front of his face after every game, doc has to respond, the teammates have to respond. Instead of 100% focusing on winning 25% of the time it is dealing with a disgruntled star.

I don't get this attitude either. Did these people arrive here in a time machine from 5 years ago, before this stuff was common place? If they fine him into turning up he will turn up (to avoid losing money) and be a cancer who poisons the locker room, and will dog it on the court. Did you see Harden? Houston tried this game of "you're under contract and we have the leverage" too, and Harden just played like trash. He didn't try on D more than usual, threw passes out of bounds on purpose, and generally played like ass. He also made suggestive comments in the media that were obviously shots at the team and situation. Butler and Kawhi are 2 other examples of recent players who caused chaos to force their way out.

Simmons is repped by Klutch. It is not merely theoretical that they would do this. They're talking about Maxey being in the deal too, so they've already shown they're not being rational about this. I would say him dogging it and being a cancer if you make him turn up is a foregone conclusion at this stage. He gets paid the same no matter how much he stinks.
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Re: Which OKC picks would be added to Giddey to get Simmons? 

Post#922 » by Tomjas » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:02 am

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:OKC wouldn’t trade Giddey for Simmons. I’d trade the above picks without Giddey.


Wouldn't having Giddey on the team with Simmons just hurt his exposure/development?

I kind of think you want to move one for the other to maintain value but sure, I think Philly would just take picks.


I think this ship has sailed. I probably would’ve traded 6 for Ben, but now OKC has committed to Giddey. And the fit really isn’t there as you say. But I also think bringing Simmons drama to OKC doesn’t fit the culture. I really like the player, but it’s hard to deny he’s dramatic.


Simmons rarely says anything

Maybe that’s part of the issue as he seems happy enough to let stuff swirl around with no response
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Re: Where will Ben Simmons play this season? 

Post#923 » by NYG » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:05 am

I wonder how many picks the Kings add to Hield, Mitchell and Bagley. Also, could Bagley/Mitchell get more picks and a vet PG from a 3rd/4th team?

Vet PG, Hield plus a ton of picks for Simmons
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#924 » by vetmin » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:07 am

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PhillyNj wrote:Except Simmons is no Harden. The Sixers will be ok without Simmons. I hope they make him sit out the year.now that he’s Demanded a trade the Sixers can hit him where it hurts. The wallet.


Like I said, he is just talking crap about sitting out now. No way he passes on the money. Why would he? He has his money for the next 4 years whether he sits at the end of the bench or not. Sit on the bench and get your money. first time he falls in practice he will sit out a week. The 6ers hope he does not show up, so they don't have to pay him. In a week or two that will dawn on him if his agent has not already made that clear to him. He can create more pressure to trade him by being in the lockerroom than not being at home. He talks crap while sitting at home, doc says he only answers questions about guys on the team. He is on the team and has a mike in front of his face after every game, doc has to respond, the teammates have to respond. Instead of 100% focusing on winning 25% of the time it is dealing with a disgruntled star.

I don't get this attitude. Did you arrive here in a time machine from 5 years ago, before this stuff was common place? If they fine him into turning up he will turn up (to avoid losing money) and be a cancer who poisons the locker room, and will dog it on the court. Did you see Harden? Houston tried this game of "you're under contract and we have the leverage" too, and Harden just played like trash. He didn't try on D more than usual, threw passes out of bounds on purpose, and generally played like ass. He also made suggestive comments in the media that were obviously shots at the team and situation. Butler and Kawhi are 2 other examples of recent players who caused chaos to force their way out.

Simmons is repped by Klutch. It is not merely theoretical that they would do this. They're talking about Maxey being in the deal too, so they've already shown they're not being rational about this. I would say him dogging it and being a cancer if you make him turn up is a foregone conclusion at this stage. He gets paid the same no matter how much he stinks.


I just posted this in the other thread, but: If the Warriors were to offer Wiggins + one of Wiseman/Kuminga + multiple 1sts, might it be in the best interest of Philly to just do it, if their larger goal is to kick the can until Dame or Beal shakes loose? At least then you have a little trade package at the ready (which you could add to with your own stuff) that isn't poisoning your organization. To me that seems preferable to 'selling low' on Simmons for a better-fitting but less-tradable group of guys like DLo, Beasley, and McDaniels.
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#925 » by Ballerhogger » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:22 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
If they're keeping KAT and ANT who the heck are they trading for him?

Wolves: we want Simmons, a super talented but very flawed player

Philly: Ok, what you got?

Wolves: You can have anything except KAT, Edwards or DLo.

Philly: So you can offer us a platter of mediocre players and a bunch of picks that in theory are low in value cos as a team you will be stronger

Wolves: Yup

Phill: ........... we'll take it


FTFY :lol:


Jokes aside, I do think Minny have interesting pieces that aren't those 4. McDaniels, Vanderbilt (SnT), Reid, Beverley, Beasley. Then they have the picks. Future picks would be central to this deal so that Philly can offer them for another player when they become available for trade.

They can’t trade ant man .. they do they deserve to be moved and renamed .
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#926 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:25 am

Kings saying they aren’t trading Fox or Hali seems to me like posturing to get Maxey included. Plus Dumas is from CA his tweet that he would be included could have been the same..
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#927 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:26 am

Kings out: Hield, Bagley, Mitchell, 2022 unprotected 1st, 2023 unprotected swap, 2024 unprotected 1st
Kings in: Simmons, Scott (S&T)

Indy out: Brogdon
Indy in: Bagley, Mitchell

Philly out: Simmons, Mike Scott (S&T)
Philly in Brogdon, Hield, SAC 2022+2024 1st, 2023 swap
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Re: Where will Ben Simmons play this season? 

Post#928 » by BoogieTime » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:32 am

I feel Toronto may come with a Vanvleet/Siakam package for Simmons/+
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#929 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:34 am

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Re: TOR-GS-SAC-PHIL 

Post#930 » by Bowdystuda » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:37 am

WAKEANT wrote:
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Toronto rebuilds real quick and will have a great nucleus of young players moving forward. Can move Wiggins, Hield and Trent Jr for picks and expiring contracts to contenders at some point to increase the future assets to be used. If Trent Jr/Wiggins/Heild can be flipped each for a 1st with expiring contracts hopefully, that would give Toronto the pick capital to go for a star to add to the young nucleus.



In some instances, change for to with.

My first impression is that you are a Toronto fan because the trade does seem tilted in that direction.

To Toronto:
Andrew Wiggens
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Haliburton
Johnathan Kuminga
James Wiseman
Moses Moody
GS 2024 1st round pick (Top 5 Protected)



Explain some about the Golden State 2024 first because I don't understand how that would work.

Future Traded Pick Details

2024 first round draft pick to Memphis
Golden State's 1st round pick to Memphis protected for selections 1-4 in 2024 and 1 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [Golden State-Memphis, 7/7/2019]


POP LOCK IT!! POP LOCK IT!! lol

You got me lol. Didn't look up GS picks in the future. Either way, it could be any first that is protected. Regardless of the year
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#931 » by Darthlukey » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:39 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Kings out: Hield, Bagley, Mitchell, 2022 unprotected 1st, 2023 unprotected swap, 2024 unprotected 1st
Kings in: Simmons, Scott (S&T)

Indy out: Brogdon
Indy in: Bagley, Mitchell

Philly out: Simmons, Mike Scott (S&T)
Philly in Brogdon, Hield, SAC 2022+2024 1st, 2023 swap

I actually really like that, which means someone else is gonna hate it
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Re: Where will Ben Simmons play this season? 

Post#932 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:40 am

CJ and 2 FRP for Ben.

It is the way.

I also think Pascal for Ben straight up is interesting. Like the dice roll for TOR to create a really unique squad:

G - FVV
G - GTJ
F - OG
F - Barnes
C - Simmons
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#933 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:42 am

Darthlukey wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Kings out: Hield, Bagley, Mitchell, 2022 unprotected 1st, 2023 unprotected swap, 2024 unprotected 1st
Kings in: Simmons, Scott (S&T)

Indy out: Brogdon
Indy in: Bagley, Mitchell

Philly out: Simmons, Mike Scott (S&T)
Philly in Brogdon, Hield, SAC 2022+2024 1st, 2023 swap

I actually really like that, which means someone else is gonna hate it

Make it a 25 first instead of 24 and I’m probably good with it from Phillys end.

Brogdon/maxey
Hield/Curry
Green/Thybulle
Harris/niang
Embiid/Drummond is a really good team and if maxey takes a step they are dangerous
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Re: TOR-GS-SAC-PHIL 

Post#934 » by Bowdystuda » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:42 am

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Yeah Toronto is not going to get this kind of return for VanVleet and Pascal Siakam. If they did they would be absolute fools to turn this down, as many can probably attest to I'm not a James Wiseman fan but they would have arguably one of the top three young course in the league, Scottie Barnes Jonathan Kuminga, Gary Trent Jr Tyrese Haliburton, Precious Achiuwa, Moses Moody, OG Anunoby and James Wiseman could be very scary in a few years


Toronto would be losing Siakam, Vanvleet, Dragic and Boucher. That is fair return. Toronto gets a lot of potential, but give up sure things to teams that need sure things.
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#935 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:43 am

Why is no one talking about the possibility that Maxey is being included meaning they are actually working on something bigger and that’s the first context clue. Everyone assumes Lillard is the only bigger thing there could be and that nothing could come out of left field
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#936 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:46 am

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Helsbyte wrote:I am trying to see this thru Philly lenses. If I am trading Simmons. What do I want to help me win a championship? I need a facilitator who can run my offense and be able to guard his position. That should be #1. Brogdon or Fox seems the best options. Is Fox available? I can't see Siakam or another forward of that caliber being much interest to Philly.

Is Brogdon, Warren, 2022 1st rd pick appealing to Philly for Simmons and Maxey?

Is Fox, Barnes, 1st rd pick from Sac appealing?

It will probably take a 3rd team maybe a 4th.

My favourite trades from both those teams are:

IND gets: Simmons, Green
PHI gets: Brogdan, Lamb, Duarte, IND FRP, Kleber, Burke, DAL FRP
DAL gets: Myles Turner

or

SAC gets: Simmons, Harris
PHI gets: Fox, Hield, Barnes


DAL leeching value while contributing very little


I wonder how much more than Maxi Kleber, Josh Green and an unprotected 1st Myles Turner is really worth? Can't be that much more I wouldn't think.

But I agree Dallas is a bad third team. They already have too many centers and Maxi is the only true PF on the entire roster. And Philly isn't going to make a 5 for 1 deal where they have to have Burke's dead money on the cap next year and buy out Lamb this year. Makes a lot more sense to find a team to take Lamb and Duarte and send Philly back a win now vet.
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#937 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:47 am

Sportfan73 wrote:Why is no one talking about the possibility that Maxey is being included meaning they are actually working on something bigger and that’s the first context clue. Everyone assumes Lillard is the only bigger thing there could be and that nothing could come out of left field


Huh. Where in the world are you seeing anyone much less everyone assuming that?
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#938 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:51 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Why is no one talking about the possibility that Maxey is being included meaning they are actually working on something bigger and that’s the first context clue. Everyone assumes Lillard is the only bigger thing there could be and that nothing could come out of left field


Huh. Where in the world are you seeing anyone much less everyone assuming that?

I guess I’m more talking all the Sixers reporters and Twitter people that are just up in arms about the Maxey thing instead of thinking more like maybe that news came out because they are working on a deal for someone that is worth Simmons and Maxey?
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#939 » by Darthlukey » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:53 am

Sportfan73 wrote:As much as it stings for Philly losing Maxey going with that report, Simmons/Maxey for Fox/Hield seems realistic

How do the kings actually view Hield these days, is he a positive or a negative (factoring in his deal)?
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Re: Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3 

Post#940 » by Darthlukey » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:56 am

Sportfan73 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Why is no one talking about the possibility that Maxey is being included meaning they are actually working on something bigger and that’s the first context clue. Everyone assumes Lillard is the only bigger thing there could be and that nothing could come out of left field


Huh. Where in the world are you seeing anyone much less everyone assuming that?

I guess I’m more talking all the Sixers reporters and Twitter people that are just up in arms about the Maxey thing instead of thinking more like maybe that news came out because they are working on a deal for someone that is worth Simmons and Maxey?

I have no idea how accurate this is:

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/tyrese-maxey-ben-simmons-rich-paul-sixers-trade-rumors/

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