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[HornetJail]

Boston Celtics get:
Alperen Sengun

Houston Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Anfernee Simons
Sam Hauser
Fred VanVleet
2026 Unprotected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick
2027 Unprotected Phoenix Suns First Round Draft Pick
2028 Lower of Celtics/Spurs First Round Draft Pick
2029 Earliest of Suns/Rockets/Mavericks First Round Draft Pick
2029 Second Earliest of Suns/Rockets/Mavericks First Round Draft Pick
2030 Unprotected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick
2032 Unprotected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick

7 Unprotected 1sts plus whatever they get in a follow-up Turner deal.

not that I think it's advisable to do so, but I think other teams would top this Celtics offer for Sengun

Which team though? Its tough to find

I'd value two Raptors 1sts over 4 Celtics 1sts, and there would probably be some more interesting player coming back as well

[NYG]

not that I think it's advisable to do so, but I think other teams would top this Celtics offer for Sengun

Which team though? Its tough to find

I'd value two Raptors 1sts over 4 Celtics 1sts, and there would probably be some more interesting player coming back as well

RJ Barrett, Gradey Dick, '26 Raptors 1st and '28 Raptors 1st for Sengun?


I could also see the Bulls do Bulls things and trade 2-3 picks with Vuc and filler for Sengun

EDIT: I think it would be an Eastern Conference team if Giannis is going West. Basically subtracting Giannis from your conference and adding Sengun to your team in the process seems like a huge swing in a weak Eastern Conference.

[brackdan70]

AD for Risacher, Kennard, Porzingis and a pick?

Seems reasonable depending on the pick. Probably not the NOP one but another one.

Which pick makes sense?

Maybe their own 2029 unprotected.
I think 27 and 28 are weaker drafts, and 2029 is far enough in the future to have some variance to interest Dallas. If they get Risacher and that pick, that seems decent. They could possibly ship Porzingis for value as well.

[ReggiesKnicks]

i think bucks would keep sengun. I dont see toronto having interest after recent poeltl extension and our poor interior D.

Sengun is a good defensive center and a significantly better player than Poeltl. That makes little sense why you guys wouldn't want a Top 10-15 player in the NBA.

i think his defense would look alot worse on raptors vs on rockets.

Why? He was a terrific defender in Euroleague before he came into the NBA. He has good size, moves well for his size, and rebounds at a high rate.

His defensive numbers hold true regardless of teammates as well.

[SlimShady83]

For The Blazers fans, or those who know.

When it comes to Ayton and RBIII did those guys play together often on your team and how well did they mesh together on court?

Still keen on RBIII/Thybulle

[ReggiesKnicks]

For The Blazers fans, or those who know.

When it comes to Ayton and RBIII did those guys play together often on your team and how well did they mesh together on court?

Still keen on RBIII/Thybulle

Go to google.com
Type in pbpstats.com
Click the On/Off Header and select Wowy Combinations
Select Team POR
Select 2024 and 2025 seasons, unselecting 2026
Select Ayton and RWIII under Players
Click Get Stats

[SlimShady83]

For The Blazers fans, or those who know.

When it comes to Ayton and RBIII did those guys play together often on your team and how well did they mesh together on court?

Still keen on RBIII/Thybulle

Go to google.com
Type in pbpstats.com
Click the On/Off Header and select Wowy Combinations
Select Team POR
Select 2024 and 2025 seasons, unselecting 2026
Select Ayton and RWIII under Players
Click Get Stats

Yeh I know that lols, but still good to here from people who actually watch the Blazer games, rather then going to the boxscores, guess I'll just do it.

[ReggiesKnicks]

For The Blazers fans, or those who know.

When it comes to Ayton and RBIII did those guys play together often on your team and how well did they mesh together on court?

Still keen on RBIII/Thybulle

Go to google.com
Type in pbpstats.com
Click the On/Off Header and select Wowy Combinations
Select Team POR
Select 2024 and 2025 seasons, unselecting 2026
Select Ayton and RWIII under Players
Click Get Stats

Yeh I know that lols, but still good to here from people who actually watch the Blazer games, rather then going to the boxscores, guess I'll just do it.

Unfortunately they played just 27 games together.

RWIII strength when he was healthy in Boston was that he was incredibly mobile and spry defensively as a Center complimented as a rim finisher offensively.

He has made attempts as he has slowed due to injuries to add a corner 3P shot, which is still limited and needs time to develop.

The other important aspect here is neither of them were sharing the court with offensive pieces as heralded as Luka/Reaves. If you're worried about the offense with Ayton/RWIII sharing the court, I wouldn't. Defensively I don't see them winning many matchups, especially with one or both of Luka/Reaves on the court with them.

I'd look elsewhere if you wanted to upgrade the Hayes slot.

[SlimShady83]

The other important aspect here is neither of them were sharing the court with offensive pieces as heralded as Luka/Reaves. If you're worried about the offense with Ayton/RWIII sharing the court, I wouldn't. Defensively I don't see them winning many matchups, especially with one or both of Luka/Reaves on the court with them.

I'd look elsewhere if you wanted to upgrade the Hayes slot.

Many thanks, mostly looking at RBIII to go behind Ayton/Hayes but maybe also play some minutes with Ayton as wellfrom time to time, I'm only looking at getting RBIII If we can also get Thybulle who're both expiring and Thybulle hasn't played much this year if any, so shouldn't cost much?

Need a 3rd center, defense in Thybulle and maybe (being greedy) we can also get Herb just wishfull thinking.

Wild thoughts running through my head

[tester551]

I think Houston threads the needle of being a contender that can give value and match salaries plus would be a city/franchise Giannis would agree to in hindsight if a deal was agreed to already. That's my Giannis pick.


Bucks get:
Fred VanVleet
Team X Salary Filler
Team X Pick(s)
2027 Suns 1st via Rockets
2 Most Favorable of 2029 Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 1sts via Rockets

Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Team X gets:
Alperen Sengun

Who is Team X?

Portland would certainly be in play here as team X

[mlloyd10]

I think Houston threads the needle of being a contender that can give value and match salaries plus would be a city/franchise Giannis would agree to in hindsight if a deal was agreed to already. That's my Giannis pick.


Bucks get:
Fred VanVleet
Team X Salary Filler
Team X Pick(s)
2027 Suns 1st via Rockets
2 Most Favorable of 2029 Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 1sts via Rockets

Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Team X gets:
Alperen Sengun

Who is Team X?

That worse than Giannis/Kuz for KAT/Bridges/picks

[mlloyd10]

Anyone find it odd that Rich Paul suggests Giannis to the Hawks for a trade involving Jalen Johnson when Rich Paul Represents Johnson

Read on Twitter

That is odd. He might have a higher chance of getting a full 30% max 3rd deal on a Mil team with little else that's acquired him for Giannis, but it's also likely not to be a good team for several years.

I wonder if he talked to JJ before posting this.

You don't put your own client name out there unless your pushing for something or your client is.

Bucks have done many "favors" for Rich Paul in the past - Wonder if this will happen

[Ball4life32]

Seems reasonable depending on the pick. Probably not the NOP one but another one.

Which pick makes sense?

Maybe their own 2029 unprotected.
I think 27 and 28 are weaker drafts, and 2029 is far enough in the future to have some variance to interest Dallas. If they get Risacher and that pick, that seems decent. They could possibly ship Porzingis for value as well.

I don’t see anyway hawks give up on Risacher this early not to mention he’s the only natural 3 on the roster. I wouldn’t be interested in giving up future unprotected pick either for AD and have to pay that fat salary in his mid 30s and that doesn’t even get into the extension he wants.

[Devilanche]

Anyone find it odd that Rich Paul suggests Giannis to the Hawks for a trade involving Jalen Johnson when Rich Paul Represents Johnson

Read on Twitter

That is odd. He might have a higher chance of getting a full 30% max 3rd deal on a Mil team with little else that's acquired him for Giannis, but it's also likely not to be a good team for several years.

I wonder if he talked to JJ before posting this.

You don't put your own client name out there unless your pushing for something or your client is.

Bucks have done many "favors" for Rich Paul in the past - Wonder if this will happen

It’s weird unless it’s something that JJ wants as well.

Theoretically hawks does have assets they can pile on while trying to keep JJ …

From bucks point of view, I would have always leaned towards keeping Giannis as long as you possibly can cause you aren’t guaranteed getting anyone as good as him … but if I can get JJ I might be tempted to trade Giannis …

[mlloyd10]

That is odd. He might have a higher chance of getting a full 30% max 3rd deal on a Mil team with little else that's acquired him for Giannis, but it's also likely not to be a good team for several years.

I wonder if he talked to JJ before posting this.

You don't put your own client name out there unless your pushing for something or your client is.

Bucks have done many "favors" for Rich Paul in the past - Wonder if this will happen

It’s weird unless it’s something that JJ wants as well.

Theoretically hawks does have assets they can pile on while trying to keep JJ …

From bucks point of view, I would have always leaned towards keeping Giannis as long as you possibly can cause you aren’t guaranteed getting anyone as good as him … but if I can get JJ I might be tempted to trade Giannis …

Could be possible that he wants to "go home" and be the man for his hometown team - He went to high school 20 mins from Milwaukee

[Scoot McGroot]

You don't put your own client name out there unless your pushing for something or your client is.

Bucks have done many "favors" for Rich Paul in the past - Wonder if this will happen

It’s weird unless it’s something that JJ wants as well.

Theoretically hawks does have assets they can pile on while trying to keep JJ …

From bucks point of view, I would have always leaned towards keeping Giannis as long as you possibly can cause you aren’t guaranteed getting anyone as good as him … but if I can get JJ I might be tempted to trade Giannis …

Could be possible that he wants to "go home" and be the man for his hometown team - He went to high school 20 mins from Milwaukee

I would assume this is just overall, and long term, agent work. Sure, JJ just extended, but he’s eventually going to need a new contract and being associated as a “centerpiece in trade value” for an all timer like Giannis helps build the reputation as a sure fire max salary type guy. Doesn’t have to mean he wants out. Just mentioning him in league circles as much as possible helps his value.

[mlloyd10]

It’s weird unless it’s something that JJ wants as well.

Theoretically hawks does have assets they can pile on while trying to keep JJ …

From bucks point of view, I would have always leaned towards keeping Giannis as long as you possibly can cause you aren’t guaranteed getting anyone as good as him … but if I can get JJ I might be tempted to trade Giannis …

Could be possible that he wants to "go home" and be the man for his hometown team - He went to high school 20 mins from Milwaukee

I would assume this is just overall, and long term, agent work. Sure, JJ just extended, but he’s eventually going to need a new contract and being associated as a “centerpiece in trade value” for an all timer like Giannis helps build the reputation as a sure fire max salary type guy. Doesn’t have to mean he wants out. Just mentioning him in league circles as much as possible helps his value.

Being associated doesn't do anything - Being the centerpiece of a trade does

[Texas Chuck]

Lively done for year. Don't let this stop you from trading AD and/or Gafford Dallas if the deal makes sense. But man is he Mark Williamsing his career bad.

[jbk1234]

Anyone find it odd that Rich Paul suggests Giannis to the Hawks for a trade involving Jalen Johnson when Rich Paul Represents Johnson

Read on Twitter

That is odd. He might have a higher chance of getting a full 30% max 3rd deal on a Mil team with little else that's acquired him for Giannis, but it's also likely not to be a good team for several years.

I wonder if he talked to JJ before posting this.

You don't put your own client name out there unless your pushing for something or your client is.

Bucks have done many "favors" for Rich Paul in the past - Wonder if this will happen

He put Garland's name out there after we lost to the Celtics, and Garland was at least publicly displeased about it.

[BlazersBroncos]

MIL OUT - Giannis
MIL IN - FVV, RWIII, Thybulle, Yang, 2 swaps + 1 FRP returned from PDX, 2027 Suns 1st via Rockets, 2 Most Favorable of 2029 Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 1sts via Rockets

HOU OUT - FVV, Sengun, 2027 Suns 1st via Rockets, 2 Most Favorable of 2029 Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 1sts via Rockets
HOU IN - Giannis

PDX OUT - RWIII, Thybulle, Yang, 2 swaps + 1 MIL FRP
PDX IN - Sengun