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PHI Trades: Andre Iguodala
MIN Trades: Michael Beasley, Corey Brewer

Why For PHI: They will need to move Iguodala at some point in order to move ahead in the Evan Turner era in Philadelphia. So they move him in order to pick up two talented young prospects. Beasley is a sizable upgrade over Brand at PF, and Brewer can either start as a defender alongside Turner, or provide instant energy off the bench. This also saves them roughly $4 million instantly, and even more longterm.

Holiday
Turner / Brewer
Kapono / Young
Beasley / Brand
Hawes

Why for MIN: I believe that this could be that "singular move" Kahn referred to this offseason. We have a perfect opportunity to take advantage of our cap space in order to relieve another team of longterm salary before the likely lockout. Iguodala would be a perfect fit on the wing next to Wes Johnson.

Ridnour/ Flynn / Telfair (Rubio)
Iguodala / Ellington
Johnson / Webster / Hayward
Love / Tolliver
Milicic / Pekovic / Koufus

I don't see a reason for Minnesota to do that.

At least Beasley has the potential to be somewhat of a #1 option. Iggy is at best a 3rd option and won't help the Wovles at all. They need a star.

dookieguy wrote:At least Beasley has the potential to be somewhat of a #1 option. Iggy is at best a 3rd option and won't help the Wovles at all. They need a star.

I'm not going to pretend to know what kind of moves Minny's front office would make at this point, especially this early on with the current roster, but I wouldn't be surprised if Iguodala is one of the guys that they're closely watching.

Even if he isn't a star, he brings quite a few things that the team could definitely use.

1. He would be the best perimeter defender on the team from day one, and that's saying something since both Webster and Johnson have looked pretty good.

2. He would be the best non-PG ball handler on the team from day one. This is important because the team is running some kind of Triangle-esque offense (if not the actual Triangle). He might not be anywhere near as talented as them, but Iggy could fill in the Jordan/Kobe role much better than anyone on the current roster (including Beasley).

3. Although still fairly young and not known as a great leader, Iggy would provide some veteran stability. So far through 3 games, the Wolves look very, very prone to young team up-and-downs. Iggy would help that.

4. He fits what the team is trying to do very well. I already mentioned the "Triangle" fit above, but he also fits the running concept that the team is trying to install. He's shown the ability to be very effective as a finisher on the break. Along with Johnson, Webster, and Brewer (if he isn't included as a piece in the trade), the team would always have 2 fast, explosive finishers on the court.

Pretty crappy for the Sixers IMO.

youngcrev wrote:Pretty crappy for the Sixers IMO.

You guys are sitting at the luxury tax right now, and thats BEFORE a possible hard cap. With Iguodala, you are winning just enough to be not bad, but not good either, thus hurting your draft pick.

I'd also be willing to throw in either the MEM or UTAH 1st if its necessary.

Klomp wrote:

youngcrev wrote:Pretty crappy for the Sixers IMO.

You guys are sitting at the luxury tax right now, and thats BEFORE a possible hard cap. With Iguodala, you are winning just enough to be not bad, but not good either, thus hurting your draft pick.

I'd also be willing to throw in either the MEM or UTAH 1st if its necessary.

The Sixers are under the tax right now and won't even be close next year. And if they went to a hard cap, which I highly doubt would happen, there would have to be some way to get out of contracts since teams like the Lakers are so far above the tax, meaning the team could get rid of Brand.

And anyway, just because there's an argument towards trading Iguodala doesn't make this a good trade for the team. The value is terrible, as is the fit. The last thing the Sixers need are more forwards.

Yeah, I would think this would be a pretty easy no for the Sixers. Last i checked Beasley wasn't an above average rebounder... and pretty sure Brewer is buried on a bench thats as bad (or worse) than the sixers, so while he's an athletic freak he's not really worth much of anything to us.

I don't even think adding picks would help because the fit is so bad.

Iguodala?

How much is he paid again?

Unless we're getting him without giving up Beasley, Love, Rubio and Wes, no, just no.

Foye wrote:Iguodala?

How much is he paid again?

Unless we're getting him without giving up Beasley, Love, Rubio and Wes, no, just no.

Beasley apparently has grown tremendously in value over the last 2 months.

Original trade really doesn't fit Philly, but If there stays/grows a Kevin Love schism, I could see:

Philadelphia trading: Iguodala and a Top 7 protected pick for

Minnesota: Love

With the general idea being, Philadelphia trades their best player to get a top prospect at a position of need, gets younger in the process, and gives up a mid lotto draft pick to do so.

Minnesota meanwhile, if they have fallen out of favor of Love get a great solidifying wing, a decent pick, and can run a Ridnour, Wes, Iguodala, Beasley, Darko lineup; with Wes and Iguodala supposedly great compliments on the wing, and Beasely at pf.

I don't think Minnesota has any contracts they want to dump on Philly, but Philly does have the room to accommodate something like that. And yes, this involves Minnesota actually giving up something of value, so I guess at least one Minnesota fan won't be behind it.

ug. no way i want love for iggy if we have to include a pick. Just wait a couple months till Love gets frustrated by being benched, and he demands a trade.

No thanks. Beasley is just another Thad Young, and we don't want to pay to extend him this year, so we would just view him as an expiring contract. Brewer I like, but isn't anything worth trading our best player for.

We could do much better if we actually wanted to trade Iguodala.

As to the Love trade, i don't think it works. Love and Brand can't play together, and adding a first is a lot to swallow.

I pass on this for the Wolves. I don't see Iggy being the answer for the Wolves. They need a legit #1 option, someone they can give the ball too in crunch time. Iggy's not that player. No sense in making a trade unless that's what's coming back.

john2jer wrote:I pass on this for the Wolves. I don't see Iggy being the answer for the Wolves. They need a legit #1 option, someone they can give the ball too in crunch time. Iggy's not that player. No sense in making a trade unless that's what's coming back.

It will be a long time before someone trades a legit #1 option to Minnesota. Players like the Garnetts, Roys, or even the Al Jeffersons just aren't traded that often, ignoring the sign and trade free agencies.

I kid, I kid. I kid because I love.

Foye wrote:Iguodala?

How much is he paid again?

Close to fair market value.

Unless we're getting him without giving up Beasley, Love, Rubio and Wes, no, just no.

That's ridiculous.

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Original trade really doesn't fit Philly, but If there stays/grows a Kevin Love schism, I could see:

Philadelphia trading: Iguodala and a Top 7 protected pick for

Minnesota: Love

Honestly, if the Love/Beasley pairing becomes a problem, I'd probably do this.

sixerswillrule wrote:

Foye wrote:Iguodala?

How much is he paid again?

Close to fair market value.

Unless we're getting him without giving up Beasley, Love, Rubio and Wes, no, just no.

That's ridiculous.

"Close to fair market value?" Now that's ridiculous.

Iguodala's a good player, but he's, at best ,a #2 option, and at $14+/mil for four guaranteed years, he's paid like a #1. Do you think "the market" is sitting on $56 mil contracts for #2 guys?

Again, if you talk market price, let's compare his price to other teams. How expensive is Iggy? He makes more than the #2 guy on 19 other teams. He makes more than the most expensive guy on 7 NBA teams. He's not a big, so that drives his trade value down, and he plays the over-crowded swingman position, which further reduces it.

"Market Value?" You're better off sticking with the argument "Comcast can afford to overpay"

john2jer wrote:I pass on this for the Wolves. I don't see Iggy being the answer for the Wolves. They need a legit #1 option, someone they can give the ball too in crunch time. Iggy's not that player. No sense in making a trade unless that's what's coming back.

Wolves wont get a legit #1 option in their peak - not via free agency anyway. Just give up on that crazy idea. Minnesota can improve through the draft - that is if they did not give up unprotected first round picks for chump change. Iggy would be a fantastic option of the Wolves. Easily their best player.

I feel so privileged - two Cliptastical sigs on one page - both by bitter Wolves fans . I can't wait for the 2012 draft - I just can't wait .

cliptastical wrote:

john2jer wrote:I pass on this for the Wolves. I don't see Iggy being the answer for the Wolves. They need a legit #1 option, someone they can give the ball too in crunch time. Iggy's not that player. No sense in making a trade unless that's what's coming back.

Wolves wont get a legit #1 option in their peak - not via free agency anyway. Just give up on that crazy idea. Minnesota can improve through the draft - that is if they did not give up unprotected first round picks for chump change. Iggy would be a fantastic option of the Wolves. Easily their best player.

I feel so privileged - two Cliptastical sigs on one page - both by bitter Wolves fans :lol:. I can't wait for the 2012 draft - I just can't wait :wordyo: .

You're a troll.

I think j2j is right. Perhaps Beasley doesn't become the player that Iguodala does, but they need to hope that he can be a legit #1. Clearly Iguodala is not.

shrink wrote: You're a troll.

I think j2j is right. Perhaps Beasley doesn't become the player that Iguodala does, but they need to hope that he can be a legit #1. Clearly Iguodala is not.

I'm no troll. These losers are the ones trying to take a small portion of what I said and represent it to people in a manner that was obviously taken out of context. What do they hope to achieve by that other than being a troll?

J2J and Aqua-somethingorother refuse to admit (or are simply incapable of understanding) that the Wolves pick carries a certain intrinsic value. So they bash anybody who brings it up. Sounds like sour grapes to me but whatever.

cliptastical wrote:

shrink wrote: You're a troll.

I think j2j is right. Perhaps Beasley doesn't become the player that Iguodala does, but they need to hope that he can be a legit #1. Clearly Iguodala is not.

I'm no troll. These losers are the ones trying to take a small portion of what I said and represent it to people in a manner that was obviously taken out of context. What do they hope to achieve by that other than being a troll?

J2J and Aqua-somethingorother refuse to admit (or are simply incapable of understanding) that the Wolves pick carries a certain intrinsic value. So they bash anybody who brings it up. Sounds like sour grapes to me but whatever.

Ironically, in a post where you say you're no troll, you call other posters "losers" and say they may be "incapable of understanding"

In a post last week, you were trying to provoke Wolves fans by saying Sam Cassell > Kevin Garnett.

You're a troll, just trying to get attention. You need to have your posts reviewed.