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"If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote."

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awp9nmk

*Please note in the ESPN trade checker I had to substitute Marion in for Kamen but the numbers still work. And this deal cant happen until 12/15 I believe.

Okay so here goes with my 2nd attempt. This one is a much more significant deal so my chances arent good but here goes:

OKC out: Martin, Perkins, 2013 TOR 1st (top 3, 15-30 protected)
OKC in: Kamen,Dalembert, Vince Carter

OKC gets out of the Perkins deal, gains 2 good options at center--an more offensive oriented one in Kamen and a defensive oriented one in Dalembert. They downgrade from Martin to Vince but he's still a guy who can provide scoring punch off the bench and with Kamen they dont need quite as much scoring from the wing and they sacrifice the TOR pick to get Dallas to eat Perkins contract.

Kamen/Dalembert
Ibaka/Collison
Durant/Vince
Thabo/Vince or Lamb
Westbrook/Maynor

That lineup is clearly the favorite in the West and they still have the Dal pick, their own pick, and Lamb left from the Harden deal while the Perkins contract is gone allowing them to keep Kamen or Daly or maybe both if they want to past this year. VC deal isnt fully guaranteed next year so they save money there too if need be. This is a win-now move that has financial benefits for them long-term.

Milw out: Dalembert, Dunleavy,
Milw in: Martin

All the contracts are expiring so no longterm costs to them but they have enough bigs to cover for losing Dalembert and they upgrade in Martin allowing them to pursue Monta deals while remaining competetive or simply having a really strong 3 guard rotation.

Dal out: Kamen, Vince
Dal in: Perkins, Dunleavy, TOR 1st.

Dallas isnt a real contender this year and their future is very uncertain with so few veterans under contract past this year. They take on Perkins deal in exchange for getting a nice lotto pick to start adding some young building blocks to the core. Assuming Mayo declines his option(his play suggests he certainly will) then Dallas would still have room to chase a max FA if they wanted. As a bonus the players they get back are good enough to still give them a shot at the playoffs but definitely not good enough where they would have to give OKC their pick this year adding another young player to the mix.

Dallas doesn't do this if D12 and CP3 are still heading to free agency in the summer.

CGYballer wrote:Dallas doesn't do this if D12 and CP3 are still heading to free agency in the summer.

With Drik on the books I don't think both are possibility so saving room for one is all that matters,

Mulling this one over...

For OKC:
Question becomes who will have more success with M.Gasol, Dwight, Jordan and TD... Perkins or Kaman/Dally?
I am still a Perkins fan for one. He has been the starting center on contenders like Boston and OKC for years now. Meanwhile, Martin has played well for them and that pick has serious potential.. and given Presti's draft history and the fact they will need to look for affordable impact players, it could be a blessing later on.

for Milw:
Not sure I love it if I am them, but it is decent value. However the team is playing well and MDJR has been a major piece who has better size and versatility than Martin.

For Dallas:
I do it if I am them, but as stated I still like Perkins. Even if you don't, can they pass up a guaranteed lotto pick for Kamen and VC?


Overall I would have to say no, mainly from OKC's end. However if someone (particularly an OKC fan or two) can convince me otherwise, I might change my vote if I can.

Very very close though.

Decent for Milwaukee - thought I don't quite love the fit.

Pretty good for Dallas, if that's the direction they want to go in.

OKC, however I think gives up a little much. With the Lowry situation the Raps pick could turn out to be a pretty nice asset. I suppose you could sell high on the pick now, but you'd be biting yourself in the ass if the pick ends up being #4, 5 or 6.

It's a decent concept, but I don't like it enough to vote yes. I won't no, either though.

I think every team says no.
Milwaukee's only true centers are Dalembert and Przybilla, I don't think Dalembert is traded without another center going back. Value is really good for them though. I think they may do it just for the value, but it's a bad fit.

OKC can get soooo much more for that Toronto pick.

Dallas has "tanked" the last two offseasons waiting for the big free agents. They're not flushing that idea for Perkins and the 8-10th pick next year.

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:I think every team says no.
Milwaukee's only true centers are Dalembert and Przybilla, I don't think Dalembert is traded without another center going back. Value is really good for them though. I think they may do it just for the value, but it's a bad fit.

OKC can get soooo much more for that Toronto pick.

Dallas has "tanked" the last two offseasons waiting for the big free agents. They're not flushing that idea for Perkins and the 8-10th pick next year.

Its a valid point with Milw considering they are doing much better than was expected with Jennings off to such a good start. Still Daly hasnt been getting consistent minutes tho I thought he would be expendable considering the value they get.

I agree OKC might well could get more for the TOR pick indeed but could they fix their biggest need and dump the Perkins deal without having to use amnesty on him? I guess they could negotiate hard and see if DAL would take Lamb instead but I thought there was a chance Lamb could help them this year and again this is a win-now move that also keeps their longterm finances in order.

Dal can still sign a max FA but as a Mavs fan myself Id rather we stopped playing that game because we dont attract top FAs and with Dirk aging and now seriously hurt for the first time we are even less attractive to Paul or Howard (Smith,Millsap, etc arent worth it imo). Id rather build slowly with youth and if done correctly Dallas never has to completely bottom out either.

Value probably isn't bad for Bucks but not much interest. We'd have no center and we don't have enough balls to go around Monta and Jennings let alone Martin.

Value isn't bad, but a three guard rotation like that creates more problems than it does solve them IMO.

if okc does a trade for a center, i think the best one is whoever mentioned Verajao a while back. No need for them to get two centers in Kaman and Dalembert. Verajao would rotate with Collison and Ibaka anyway for the majority of minutes. Thabeet and Orton wouldnt get that many minutes. I dont see them trading KMart or Lamb...more likely now the Tor pick and Perkins for Verajao. i suspect OKC waiting to see how well Perkins does against the top centers for a few more head to head games before they decide if he should be traded by Feb.

Texas Chuck's proposal is decent though.

Thunder say no

Strike 2 for me. I appreciate everyone's feedback on the deal. If nothing else the KOTB contest is really improving the quality of discourse in most of the threads which is really nice.

I still have this pending.

HartfordWhalers wrote:I still have this pending.

Yeah.. no one is really giving a clear yes or no in these.
I'll be sure to highlight that in my next attempt.. if I get enough courage to try again.

Trader_Joe wrote:

HartfordWhalers wrote:I still have this pending.

Yeah.. no one is really giving a clear yes or no in these.
I'll be sure to highlight that in my next attempt.. if I get enough courage to try again.

Why don't you email the front office of each team regarding your trade proposal...

OKC says no. If they were willing to move those assets, they could likely acquire Varejeo instead, who is a better fit and a better player. They're not giving up 2 of the 3 best assets they got back for James Harden to acquire Kaman, Dalembert and Vince.

Trader_Joe wrote: if I get enough courage to try again.

meh no one ever likes my deals anyway but with this scoring system Im going to go all Kobe up in here. Im getting my shots up because it doesnt matter how many you miss--it just matters how many you make.