Hawes Back to the NW - PHI/POR

Post #1 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:27 pm

Would have to be agreed upon on draft night and executed after July 1st as this would cost roughly $6m of Portland's cap space. I suppose Allen and his $3m salary does not have to be included, but I think he would be quality big man depth for Portland if they are looking to win now.

Hawes, L.Allen, Future 2nd
for
Freeland, #10

Philly
Holiday
Turner /J.Rich
#10
Young / Moultire / Freeland
#11 / Kwame
+#35, #42

Philly gets back to back picks at 10 and 11 and tanks for #1 in 2014.

Portland
Lillard
Matthews / Barton
Batum / Claver
LMA / L.Allen
Hawes / Leonard
+
#39, #40, #45

Portland tries for a win now center as opposed to the draft. Hawes provides decent passing, shooting rebounding and lots of size. 11/7 + 2 assists / 1.5 blocks in only 27 minutes last season in all 82 games.

Case2012 · Post #2 » by **Case2012** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:32 pm

I'd rather draft a center.

DusterBuster · Post #3 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:35 pm

Yuck. No way Portland gives up the #10 for Hawes. Probably the most I'd give up for him is some 2nd rounders. And LaVoy Allen doesn't add a ton of value to the deal to make up for the value difference between that #10 pick and Hawes.

Post #4 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:39 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Yuck. No way Portland gives up the #10 for Hawes. Probably the most I'd give up for him is some 2nd rounders. And LaVoy Allen doesn't add a ton of value to the deal to make up for the value difference between that #10 pick and Hawes.

Allen is a quality back up, and I figured adding Freeland was more incentive.
If Len or Zeller are there, I don't do it if I'm Portland but Gobert, Adams, Plumlee won't help much next season I wouldn't think.

Post #5 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:40 pm

Case2012 wrote:I'd rather draft a center.

Yeah if Len or Zeller are there I take them.
I don't think anyone else helps win now, and I don't get the point of another project (like Gobert) with Leonard there.

Post #6 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:42 pm

What is the #10 was changed to Leonard?

You guys seem down on him, or at least don't think he'll contribute much next season or fit with Olshey's plan if the hunt for a center is the main priority.

cucad8 · Post #7 » by **cucad8** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:56 pm

I don't mind the addition of Hawes. I think on offense he can be a decent fit alongside Aldridge. But I'm not willing to give up Leonard or #10 for him at all. I'd take him if Philly were looking to dump him, and maybe add some small incentive(2nd rounder), but that's about it.

Post #8 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:01 pm

cucad8 wrote:I don't mind the addition of Hawes. I think on offense he can be a decent fit alongside Aldridge. But I'm not willing to give up Leonard or #10 for him at all. I'd take him if Philly were looking to dump him, and maybe add some small incentive(2nd rounder), but that's about it.

I think Allen is being ignored here as an excellent, affordable addition to the bench as is Freeland's departure.

I don't think Philly is looking to dump him, or I should say I don't think Philly would have a reason to straight up dump him for cap space.

He's only 25, 7'1" and again put up 11/7/2/1.5 in 25 mpg in 82 games.

lukeyrid13 · Post #9 » by **lukeyrid13** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:03 pm

Portland didn't even offer Hawes a contract last year and decided they'd rather sign no one than make an offer to Hawes. Pretty telling IMO as to if we'd give up the #10 pick for him

Post #10 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:05 pm

lukeyrid13 wrote:Portland didn't even offer Hawes a contract last year and decided they'd rather sign no one than make an offer to Hawes. Pretty telling IMO as to if we'd give up the #10 pick for him

Didn't they have their cap tied up in Batum?
Or did they have $6m in remaining cap space they chose not to use?

And does this mean we should rule out any 2012 FA for the Blazers?

Wizenheimer · Post #11 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:07 pm

cucad8 wrote:I don't mind the addition of Hawes. I think on offense he can be a decent fit alongside Aldridge. But I'm not willing to give up Leonard or #10 for him at all. I'd take him if Philly were looking to dump him, and maybe add some small incentive(2nd rounder), but that's about it.

yep

I think Hawes would be a great fit with Aldridge on the offensive end. He can play high post and is a decent entry passer. He's also a decent mid-range shooter

but he's an average rebounder at best, and pretty soft defensively. Two area of principle concern for Portland.

he also has an expiring contract so once again, Portland could be in the position of spending a lottery pick for a 1 year rental if they didn't want to offer a bloated deal to a marginal big man

not worth a lottery pick. If Philly wants the cap-space and would trade him for a 2nd and the rights to Papanikolou, that would be a little different

cucad8 · Post #12 » by **cucad8** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:15 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
cucad8 wrote:I don't mind the addition of Hawes. I think on offense he can be a decent fit alongside Aldridge. But I'm not willing to give up Leonard or #10 for him at all. I'd take him if Philly were looking to dump him, and maybe add some small incentive(2nd rounder), but that's about it.

I think Allen is being ignored here as an excellent, affordable addition to the bench as is Freeland's departure.

I don't think Philly is looking to dump him, or I should say I don't think Philly would have a reason to straight up dump him for cap space.

He's only 25, 7'1" and again put up 11/7/2/1.5 in 25 mpg in 82 games.

Allen does little to entice me to give up #10. I don't think I'd use the word excellent to describe him. He's an ok bench player. He's an ok rebounder, shoots poorly. All of his numbers seemed to decline when given more minutes this season. He's ok, but so are many other bigs like him.
I'm sure Philly isn't looking to straight dump Hawes, so they're more than welcome to decline that offer, but there's just nothing about him I'd want to give up #10 for, personally.

Post #13 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:25 pm

cucad8 wrote:Allen does little to entice me to give up #10. I don't think I'd use the word excellent to describe him. He's an ok bench player. He's an ok rebounder, shoots poorly. All of his numbers seemed to decline when given more minutes this season. He's ok, but so are many other bigs like him.
I'm sure Philly isn't looking to straight dump Hawes, so they're more than welcome to decline that offer, but there's just nothing about him I'd want to give up #10 for, personally.

I think $3m for a 24 year old back up PF is pretty good value. I didn't mean he was excellent as a player, I meant for the money and fit he would be.
He plays D, decent rebounder, nice shot.
He's also better at PF, but was used at C too much.

Way I looked at it..

Allen > Freeland
Hawes + 2nd < #10

Somewhere it seemed like there was potential, though yes I can see Portland wanting more value.
But, I do think fit wise and cost wise Hawes is good fit and may not require an overpay like a Gortat or Asik would.

lukeyrid13 · Post #14 » by **lukeyrid13** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
lukeyrid13 wrote:Portland didn't even offer Hawes a contract last year and decided they'd rather sign no one than make an offer to Hawes. Pretty telling IMO as to if we'd give up the #10 pick for him

Didn't they have their cap tied up in Batum?
Or did they have $6m in remaining cap space they chose not to use?

And does this mean we should rule out any 2012 FA for the Blazers?

Batum didn't sign the offer sheet with Minnesota until well into FA because of the pissing contest back and forth between Olshey and Kahn in the media took so long to draw out. Portland had already offered/agreed/whiffed on Hibbert at that point and had several days after that before Batum even signed and still had 3 days to sign anyone else before Batum went on the books and decided not to.

It'd be one thing if Hawes blew up like Asik did but Hawes was the same and does not meet any criteria we want in a center ie rebounding, shot blocking and defense.

Post #15 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:45 pm

lukeyrid13 wrote:Batum didn't sign the offer sheet with Minnesota until well into FA because of the pissing contest back and forth between Olshey and Kahn in the media took so long to draw out. Portland had already offered/agreed/whiffed on Hibbert at that point and had several days after that before Batum even signed and still had 3 days to sign anyone else before Batum went on the books and decided not to.

It'd be one thing if Hawes blew up like Asik did but Hawes was the same and does not meet any criteria we want in a center ie rebounding, shot blocking and defense.

He's actually a pretty good shot-blocker and 7rpg in 27 mpg isn't bad.
As for D, Philly was top 10 (good end) in opponents points in the paint and he held opponents to a very respectable PER of 16.1 (Asik, 15.1, Hibbert 15.3, Chandler 15.8)

Post #16 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue May 28, 2013 9:08 pm

lukeyrid13 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
lukeyrid13 wrote:Portland didn't even offer Hawes a contract last year and decided they'd rather sign no one than make an offer to Hawes. Pretty telling IMO as to if we'd give up the #10 pick for him

Didn't they have their cap tied up in Batum?
Or did they have $6m in remaining cap space they chose not to use?

And does this mean we should rule out any 2012 FA for the Blazers?

Batum didn't sign the offer sheet with Minnesota until well into FA because of the pissing contest back and forth between Olshey and Kahn in the media took so long to draw out. Portland had already offered/agreed/whiffed on Hibbert at that point and had several days after that before Batum even signed and still had 3 days to sign anyone else before Batum went on the books and decided not to.

It'd be one thing if Hawes blew up like Asik did but Hawes was the same and does not meet any criteria we want in a center ie rebounding, shot blocking and defense.

This timeline is off. Hawes was signed while Portland was chasing Hibbert, so there was no way to go after him between that time.

the_process · Post #17 » by **the_process** » Wed May 29, 2013 1:31 pm

I would just as soon keep Hawes then trade him for Freeland's contract, even with 10 attached.

Post #18 » by **Trader_Joe** » Wed May 29, 2013 2:18 pm

oyoyer wrote:I would just as soon keep Hawes then trade him for Freeland's contract, even with 10 attached.

A two year contract for less than $6m total is that much of a deterrent, even when sending out $12m+?

Post #19 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed May 29, 2013 2:31 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
oyoyer wrote:I would just as soon keep Hawes then trade him for Freeland's contract, even with 10 attached.

A two year contract for less than $6m total is that much of a deterrent, even when sending out $12m+?

My guess is its more a Hawes preference?

Post #20 » by **Trader_Joe** » Wed May 29, 2013 2:32 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
oyoyer wrote:I would just as soon keep Hawes then trade him for Freeland's contract, even with 10 attached.

A two year contract for less than $6m total is that much of a deterrent, even when sending out $12m+?

My guess is its more a Hawes preference?

It was worded like it was more about Freeland's contract than Hawes.